Mazda 3 Vs EF 4L

Jet-Star · 07-06-2006, 07:52 PM

I've got a mate who's a full on holden fan/ford hating moron, he's going on saying his old ladies mazda 3 would eat my 4.0 falcon, anyone care to clarify which would win down a quarter mile? I know nothing about the mazda 3 and have no idea what their power to weight is like so i'm guessing he could be right..

-Cheers

Windsor220 · 07-06-2006, 08:07 PM

Cant see it beating the Falcon. I used to work for Mazda.

Bucket · 07-06-2006, 08:20 PM

from recollection...without going to a website so dont eat me up Steffo

Mazda 3...102Kw...180Nm Torque...weighs in at about 1.2T?
EF Falcon.. 165Kw...350NM...1.55T?

Rear wheel drive V Front...

Falcon would win it hands down...TELL HIM HE'S DREAMIN

One other thing...why did he pick his Wife's Mazda 3 and not his Commodore? ;)

Jet-Star · 07-06-2006, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucket

One other thing...why did he pick his Wife's Mazda 3 and not his Commodore? ;)

Because he's already convinced his stock as a rock, clapped out old VK auto with a 202 Black is going to beat me any day, so he's trying to rub it in that fords supposidly "suck" even worse by saying his mums (I mean't mum by "old ladie" not as in his missus) mazda would flog me off too...

A) I'm taking his smart *** down to calder first chance I get, and B) I wan't to smack him in the mouth for being so ignorant

galaxy xr8 · 07-06-2006, 08:21 PM

Who cares really, they are totally didferent vehicle's, tell your mate to get a life, I'm sure there are many car's that would kill his, if he even own's a vehicle.

Fairlane · 07-06-2006, 08:23 PM

He's dreaming, any EF, would kill a Mazda 3.

turboute · 07-06-2006, 08:28 PM

Hahahahahaha he hates ford cars (you might want to tell him who owns mazda)

Narrow minded fool.

Going by Buckets figures
Mazda 3
85kw / t
150Nm / t

EF
106kw /t
225Nm / t

The only that could make the falcon slower would be the lame diff gearing. Small cars tend to have a bit of poke due to their gearing, that being said down the quater the falcon will catch it no doubt.

EFFalcon · 07-06-2006, 08:30 PM

sorry guys, if its a manual Mazda 3, it'll give a Falcon a run for its money.
I know from experience

dcstraight · 07-06-2006, 08:34 PM

Yep I'll second that...sad but true - technology and power to weight are 2 things against our 4L torque monsters.

Maybe if you lined up both towing 6X4 trailers, it'd be a bit more interesting

eb91xr6 · 07-06-2006, 08:46 PM

all you need is a t5 with a 3.45 and your set

Scott · 07-06-2006, 08:49 PM

Manual 3's are nearly a second quicker than the auto's, an SP23 manual does the qtr in 15.9 according to Wheel's Mag. IMO you should win with a good launch, otherwise it'll be a looong chase.

EFFalcon · 07-06-2006, 08:51 PM

according to wheels, an Auto EF does a mid 16.. leaving you noticably behind, especially off the line where the Falcon lacks its performance.

as said, if you're talking an Auto Mazda 3 or a manual EF, things change dramatically.

M14A-Mclaren · 07-06-2006, 08:52 PM

Where is Steffo in a time like this huh?

galaxy xr8 · 07-06-2006, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by M14A-Mclaren

Where is Steffo in a time like this huh?

Yes where is our private mobile library.

alesia · 07-06-2006, 09:35 PM

you may want to let him know that mazda is part of the Ford Motor Group, so if he hates Ford he should hate Mazda too :P
Let me guess he drives a commodore??? :P

nb_351 · 07-06-2006, 09:48 PM

being the owner of a manual mazda 3, even if its only a 2l... i could say (not safely) but going on my experiences... it would prob beat it by no more than a length in your average street race to 120 odd... i can imagine the auto 3s are a fair bit slower, and having driven a few manual falcons, they would leave the 3 in their tracks... manual makes a falcon a totally different car...
love driving th 3 though... was never into little buzzboxes, still not really am, and its not one of these ones with a cannon out the back...
up a hill though would be a different story... but around a track the 3 would munch a falcon, mainly as mentioned before due to technology and power to weight...
would still kill for a manual ed xr6 if i could afford it... what i wouold do to that... hmmm

Deadman · 07-06-2006, 09:51 PM

If it's a manual SP23, I'd say you'd struggle. Auto would be line ball.

Any others out of the range and you'd be right.

Not sure on EF times, Manual SP23 does a run in the high 15's, Auto in low to mid 16's (which is where I thought the EF ran - at a guess)

Ryan · 07-06-2006, 10:03 PM

You should win with ease.

Now my brother has this mate, who is a Ford fan that drives a stock Swift and made fun of my dad's worked V8 VL Calais, should I get it out and show him who's boss?

:

(Clearly not a serious question, as I wouldn't even bother wasting 300 odd HP and about 450Nm on a stock Suzuki Swift)

Sorry just couldn't help myself. :lookedat:

StookEB · 07-06-2006, 10:48 PM

a couple of me mates raced a stock manual VP commodore against a manual mazda , and all I can say is that if the driver of the mazda didn't miss a gear he would have been all over him.

UNR8D · 07-06-2006, 11:10 PM

if is a mazda 3 manual would be close even auto might give u a scare but sp23 might might have you, and if manual i would say it would have you i have seen a stock one run a 15.7 at willowbank and ef falcons dont do that stock last time i checked.

Steffo · 08-06-2006, 12:38 AM

Lets see now... EF GLi (I'm assuming auto here) vs Mazda 3 2.0 (I'm assuming manual).

Ok the Mazda 3 has...

104kW @ 6500rpm and 181Nm @ 4500rpm weighing in at 1200kg.

The EF GLi has, as we should all know...

157kW @ 4900rpm and 357Nm @ 3000rpm weighing in at 1560kg.

That's 86.7kW/tonne and 150.8Nm/tonne for the Mazda 3 with 100.6kW/tonne and 228.8Nm/tonne for the Falcon. Clear victory so far...

Mazda 3's manual is geared as follows...

3.666:1 - 1st
2.059:1 - 2nd
1.392:1 - 3rd
0.970:1 - 4th
0.795:1 - 5th

The final drive ratio is 4.388:1.

Falcon's automatic is geared as follows...

2.39:1 - 1st
1.45:1 - 2nd
1.00:1 - 3rd
0.68:1 - 4th

The final drive ratio is 3.08:1.

Falcon is RWD wearing 205/65 R15 tyres on 15x6" steel wheels stock and the 3 is FWD wearing 195/65 R15 tyres on 15x6" steel wheels stock.

What I see happening is this -

Mazda 3 easily gets the jump in first gear, no contest. Less power, more grip due to tyre size and lack of power in comparison, super short gears. Will hold that advantage through most of its second gear, at which point the Falcon will catch up, pass, and stay ahead.

Who would win the 1/4 mile? Falcon. Easily.

RPO83 · 08-06-2006, 07:03 PM

Mazda 3 Neo manual weighs a minimum of 2214kg if we want to be more technical....

I'd put money on the Mazda.

Bossxr8 · 08-06-2006, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RPO83

Mazda 3 Neo manual weighs a minimum of 2214kg if we want to be more technical....

I'd put money on the Mazda.

How technical can you be when a Mazda 3 weighs more than a Territory. You have got the numbers in the wrong order. 1214kg ?.

Steffo · 09-06-2006, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RPO83

Mazda 3 Neo manual weighs a minimum of 2214kg if we want to be more technical....

I'd put money on the Mazda.

The spec page I read (on Carsales Research cars) said 1195-1206kg. 1200 was about in the middle, so I used that.

Bucket · 11-06-2006, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Lets see now... EF GLi (I'm assuming auto here) vs Mazda 3 2.0 (I'm assuming manual).

Ok the Mazda 3 has...

104kW @ 6500rpm and 181Nm @ 4500rpm weighing in at 1200kg.

The EF GLi has, as we should all know...

157kW @ 4900rpm and 357Nm @ 3000rpm weighing in at 1560kg.

Finally he shows!!
and i wasnt to far off the mark either!!

EFFalcon · 08-06-2006, 12:41 AM

all this is based on theory

IN PRACTICE: wrong.

the Mazda 3 was easily quicker then my car, even at higher speeds it had enough to be moving away from me.
my cars modded how ever the engine isnt healthy, but it has run 400metre times similar to a stock EF (16.1)

Steffo · 08-06-2006, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by EFFalcon

all this is based on theory

IN PRACTICE: wrong.

the Mazda 3 was easily quicker then my car, even at higher speeds it had enough to be moving away from me.
my cars modded how ever the engine isnt healthy, but it has run 400metre times similar to a stock EF (16.1)

16.1. And you think a Mazda 3 is that fast down the 1/4? Not a chance. Most of the time, on the street, the 3 will whoop the EF's butt. It can launch so much faster, the Falcon's cruisy gears and small tyres prohibit this. On the strip, it won't win. They're not a 15 sec car. Not close.

Lukeyson · 08-06-2006, 12:50 AM

be close but over the 1/4 the EF with win with a car length or 3
my old 5 speed Laser SR2 only just crept away from a mates EA CFI 5 speed

EFFalcon · 08-06-2006, 12:54 AM

thats because 5 speed EA's actually have a bit of pace, even with the CFI engine.
a manual Mazda 3 will cut a 15 down the 1/4... if wheels got a 15.9 from an SP23 then i can imagine a 15.7 from one on a real track.
despite what your theory says Steffo, i *was* beaten by a mazda 3

Steffo · 08-06-2006, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by EFFalcon

thats because 5 speed EA's actually have a bit of pace, even with the CFI engine.
a manual Mazda 3 will cut a 15 down the 1/4... if wheels got a 15.9 from an SP23 then i can imagine a 15.7 from one on a real track.
despite what your theory says Steffo, i *was* beaten by a mazda 3

And the SP23 is not the 2.0 is it? The SP23 is the more powerful, bigger, 2.3 litre. Are we talking about it? NO!

And just because you got beaten by a Mazda 3 once, that means that every time a Mazda 3 races an EF, it will win? Riiight... :alien2: