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21-01-2017, 09:29 PM | #1 | ||
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I am interested in what people think of the drug testing in relation to marijuana only. The bulk of people getting caught are over 50yo and only testing to marijuana, not illicit drugs. Do you think driving with marijuana in your system is dangerous? Do you think it is fair that it is a criminal conviction if found guilty?
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21-01-2017, 09:34 PM | #2 | |||
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21-01-2017, 09:42 PM | #3 | ||
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Depends on the level in their system. It would be like someone having. Beer compared to 10.
But the poice dont test for levels so if its in the persons system then they will be convicted....which can be 4 days after smoking. If it was made legal then a level detection system would be required. But if a person is stoned and driving then they deserve to get reamed.....same as a drink driver.
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21-01-2017, 09:38 PM | #4 | ||
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Doesn't the drug testing test for all drugs? Why should it matter what the drug is?
You get caught you pay the penalty- regardless of age or substance. |
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21-01-2017, 09:39 PM | #5 | ||
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21-01-2017, 09:47 PM | #6 | ||
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Beer can be moderated. The whole point of hooch is to get off your face. Should not be on the road and should be charged with intent in the event an accident is caused...
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21-01-2017, 09:47 PM | #7 | |||
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Impairs reaction times, attention to the road Don't forget, driving a almost 2 tonne machine at speed is dangerous anyway, let alone stoned or alike If you have to have ya fix, do so but leave a good amount of time to recover. THC I think lasts for round 4-6 hrs but leave longer License is important right? So are peoples lives Do things right Sent from my ASUS_Z00AD
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21-01-2017, 10:34 PM | #8 | ||
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I don't know what it's like in the rest of the country but where I live methamphetamine appears to be the most common one being detected by police.
Almost every single driver that was detected under the influence of alcohol or drugs in this area this week was detected due to methamphetamine. Source: https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-poli...t#.WINGf_LmiiM |
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21-01-2017, 10:50 PM | #9 | |||
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21-01-2017, 11:15 PM | #10 | ||
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21-01-2017, 11:01 PM | #11 | ||
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If I got stoned today , I am probably OK to drive to work on Monday morning. Rules and testing for Mull are stupid.
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21-01-2017, 11:22 PM | #12 | ||
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So many people making comment with no idea.
believe it or not, most pot smokers don't even get 'off their face' as they've used it so regularly, unless they come across some high quality stuff, which is rare, it is nothing more than a slight buzz which lasts no more than 15 minutes and no where near enough to inhibit driving. In fact it becomes akin to a cigarette smoker and is more about the habit than the stone, so much so that they are often worse for concentration without it whilst trying to source it than once they get their buzz. I know plenty who've given it up rather than deal with the stresses of hunting it down. |
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07-02-2017, 10:19 PM | #13 | |||
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I don't like probably if you are coming the other way and me and my family are driving down the road.
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21-01-2017, 11:24 PM | #14 | ||
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Just another way to raise revenue....people are probably more careful driving when there stoned ..an i think 0.05 is too low for alcohol i think coz we all love a beer should be 0.08 like N.Z laws an if you blow0.08 you pass not fail like our laws atm...people who are 0.05 have prob had one drink an thats to low for a country that loves a beer its part of our culture an us just much fairer
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22-01-2017, 01:47 AM | #15 | |||
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22-01-2017, 06:47 AM | #16 | |||
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It's not ******* revenue raising, it's trying to get dick heads off the street before they ****up someone's life (or their own) "Probably more careful, that's funny, they probably have to try harder to concentrate on driving but that doesn't make them better drivers or mean that their levels of concentration are higher than an in affected driver As for alcohol I'd have no problem with it being lowered to 0.02 across the board And before you ask, yes I drink, just when I do I don't drive
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22-01-2017, 01:54 PM | #17 | |||
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07-02-2017, 09:54 PM | #18 | ||
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1: Is it a mind altering substance?
2: THEN DON'T FRICKING DRIVE A CAR WHILE YOU'RE ON IT. There, plain and simple. How would these sensitive petals who simply must get on the weed or booze and think they should be able to drive be able to cope with a job like mine? We're breath tested before every shift when signing on, and if you're not zero, you're gone for at least three days off the rails. If you go off for secondary testing after blowing positive and you're over...well... You have to [i]think/i] while going out and having a drink...how much to drink? How long until my next shift? How long will it take for the alcohol to leave my system completely? Will I still be even 0.01 tomorrow when I sign on? |
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07-02-2017, 10:21 PM | #19 | |||
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Pretty sure their reactions would be shot, ever tried talking to someone who has smoked pot?? Most can't even string a sentence together without getting confused.
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07-02-2017, 11:19 PM | #20 | |||
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You'll probably find that alcohol increases your likelihood of an accident by over 7.4x whereas Marijuana use only increases it by 0.7x times and alcohol is legal to buy and consume. Neither is acceptable, one is legal. |
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07-02-2017, 11:30 PM | #21 | ||||
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Where does it say that? EDIT: Oops, found it. However don't just cherry pick the part of the post that suits your argument - post the whole post... I have reposted it and highlighted your bit... Quote:
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08-02-2017, 03:27 PM | #22 | |||
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The question is, why didn't you highlight the sentences in the last paragraph which suggests people who are under the influence of pot alone actually adjust their driving habits to suit and in fact become more cautious drivers. Or doesn't that suit your argument, lol. Its the alcohol that is the biggest problem and is legal to buy, consume and drive under the influence of, go figure. And for the record, none of it 'suits my argument' as I don't have an 'argument' to suit, I was simply pointing out the misconceptions that pot provides some euphoric high where all sense of reality goes out the window because its just not true and I supported it with scientific findings as provided by the bloke who runs this show. But I do note that none of you heroes took up the challenge when Russ provided it... Last edited by BENT_8; 08-02-2017 at 03:48 PM. |
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07-02-2017, 11:49 PM | #23 | ||
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It amazes me in Sth Aust that there is a set of cameras along the Freeway that will use recognition technology to detect if a car is unregistered by the number plate, also speed detection, but cars constantly tailgate each other in long columns at 100 km/hr under it and there is not the slightest concern. Tailgating is a huge issue. I will be getting front and rear facing camcorders in my car soon, I feel it is a necessity these days the way the roads are built up and the way the Govt slams you will expensive fines through the postal system, and you have no witness without video evidence. The Australian Attitude needs to change, very aggressive drivers as well. Precious little darlings everywhere who think you are holding them up doing the speed limit in front of them. There are more issues than just drug driving to combat. I am amazed that I passed my drivers test in 1988 and have NEVER been required to do a follow up/ refresher. I am amazed the lack of scientific knowledge required, especially Physics, that let's you pass a drivers test in complete ignorance of the facts. I am amazed that you can have a full license in Australia without ever needing to pass an Advanced Driving Course. I am amazed that you can pass a drivers test with absolutely zero knowledge of how a semi trailer acts and what they require. I am Australian born and bred for what that's worth.
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08-02-2017, 02:30 PM | #24 | |||
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Even on the highway when I am on cruise control at 100kph (GPS tested), they prefer to sit up my *** rather than use the overtaking lane. I don't get it. People can't keep their space. If they're not up your backside, they're cutting right in front of you. |
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09-02-2017, 06:28 PM | #25 | ||
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I think they should be testing for impairment rather than arbitrary numbers.
A guy that has a cone after dinner then goes through a drug test on the way to work in the morning is not likely to be any more impaired than anyone else. How do you test for impairment? That would be the hard part. |
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21-01-2017, 11:31 PM | #26 | ||
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I think it gets tricky when you can drink & drive legally which makes light of driving impaired anyway you look at it. So, one person pulled over for random test has had 2 beers, blows .05 and is on his way. Another person, chooses not to drink & drive ever, gets detected the next day and ends up in court because it's illegal. They are both drugs, one is poison, one is naturally occurring. Who is the more responsible driver? The driver affected by fresh alcohol in his system or the sober driver with traces in his system?
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07-02-2017, 10:26 PM | #27 | |||
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21-01-2017, 11:45 PM | #28 | ||
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Had a flatmate who would drive on pot.
By drive I mean crawl along at walking pace with the driver door open, and one leg out, 'walking' the car along. Admittedly, she's a bit of a minority. I've never seen pot affect anyone the way it got her. (Gibbering madly and screaming at everyone to get out because the cops are coming, refusing to go into her bedroom for weeks on end because the ghosts would kill her, etc). But quite frankly, if you're on something, stay off the road. |
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22-01-2017, 12:02 AM | #29 | |||
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Weed doesn't work that way, its not a hallucinogenic its a depressant if anything, you don't get high, you get low and relaxed. |
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22-01-2017, 01:43 AM | #30 | ||||
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It’s been years since I was stoned (marijuana) but I’d often drive afterwards and believe I was a cautious, attentive good driver but in reality I was probably a danger and today I would no more think of doing it than drink driving.
So if you are going to get stoned than make sure you don’t need to be behind the wheel for a day or so. One of the reasons it took so long for Mobile Drug Testing to be introduced was because the testing had to be able to detect the difference between recent use and residual effect. This is an abridged version taken from Transport for NSW Centre for Road Safety site. Quote:
http://roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov....ing/index.html This I lifted from the Alcohol and Drug Foundation for Victorian drivers and again is abridged. Quote:
http://www.druginfo.adf.org.au/fact-...web-fact-sheet |
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