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05-08-2008, 04:53 PM | #1 | ||
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Well, this car seems to be a neverending problem child. If I had the finances to do so I would get rid of it, but as I can't, I'll have to try and fix it.
I'm bordering on deciding to simply replace the engine with a second hand one as it's got various problem likely to cost more to fix than ditching the peice of crap engine altogether. 1. Oil leaking from front passenger corner of the head gasket. 2. Problem as per the video at the bottom of this post. 3. Rattle coming from around the bell housing (I guess this might bloody well be box related : ) 4. Rattle/tapping coming from the head somewhere around cyls 5 and 6. 5. Knocking sound most noticeable when cold. Sometimes able to hear it once warmed up. 6. I *think* it's had a drop in power in recent weeks. 7. Steering is starting to feel a bit stiff. PS return line popped off dumping the fluid, so I turned around and drove the 1km home. Has that killed it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoN9W_G_ZHw I'll probably have more to add when I remember it all.. After what it has had done since I bought it in October (thread here somewhere), any more issues and it's really starting to taste zesty. Should I replace the engine? If so, where is the best place to get one? (im on the sunshine coast).. Any reccomeneded mechanics? Thanks in advance. : |
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05-08-2008, 04:57 PM | #2 | |||
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05-08-2008, 05:27 PM | #3 | ||
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New engine might have to be looked at unfortunatly...
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05-08-2008, 05:52 PM | #4 | ||
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well mate i have been in the same sitsuation with my el heres is the long list what went wront with mine at all about the same time within a few moths of each other
all this between 150 000 kms and 165 000 head gasket harmonic balancer power steering pump air compressor slowly dieing s5 solenoid in the transmission oil leakes comming from the front at rear seals coolant ****ing from the hoses after new hoses and lots ofther little thing that i cant think of at the moment but i thought i hated mine as well i have always have plans on selling my car but really nothing caught my eye in the price range keep it the thing that go wrong my your car even more valuable to you if you know what i mean ;-) |
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05-08-2008, 05:56 PM | #5 | ||
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If I do replace the engine.. How much am I looking at? I'm assuming $300-$500 for an engine.. What about labour and consumables etc? Any guesses as to total approximate cost?
Cheers, Matt. |
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05-08-2008, 06:18 PM | #6 | ||
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well it depends on you ! do you want a tickford, do you want a stock, do you want a motor that has been stroked or do you want a v8 it depends on what you would like and the cost !
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05-08-2008, 06:25 PM | #7 | ||
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Basic non VCT I6 mate.. Car is a family hack on mixer ring LPG. She's not for performance, just practicality.
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05-08-2008, 06:29 PM | #8 | |||
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05-08-2008, 07:10 PM | #9 | ||
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In times like these the wreckers are your firends.
The au engines go for around 500 dollars but maybe a vct is a bit more. Add installation and you should be motoring again.
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05-08-2008, 07:15 PM | #10 | ||
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I've got one mate who can help out.. He's an apprentice mech (3-4 months in) at BMW. He can get the use of an engine crane and what not.. Now, I just need to find a couple more friends. :(:p
Any guesses as to how much I'd be paying to have a workshop do the labour? Matt. |
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05-08-2008, 07:39 PM | #11 | |||
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http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11229497 My mate dave charges $350 for an engine install. A workshop would be lots more. You could call Repco or your local HPM engine shop. Tell them you'll supply the engine and just want them to do the install. All the best with it. GK
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05-08-2008, 08:23 PM | #12 | ||
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Man..... how many ks has it done? mines done 250k orig eng/box still going strong
The noise in the bellhousing will still be there if you replace just the engine it may just be the inspection cover loose/exhaust heat sheild cracked or loose,as for the leak,reseal tighten the F@#$ out of all the timming cover bolts,the knocking noise on start up,mine does this when its freezing cold,Ive put it down to the crank splashing the oil in the sump,the noise from the intake, turn the gas off take off the induction tube from the throtle body all the way to the air filter box,run it on fuel (does it still make the noise?).It could be the gas solinoid. The tapping noise ( i couldnt hear it in the video) but could be a noisey injector or a niosy lifter either wont set you back more than a $100 to fix. As for your power problem,Have you reset the computer and clean the plugs see how that goes,change the leads(ebay genuine FORD for $42,I bought another set last night) , then change the 02 sensor Save your self the $$$$$$$$$$ Attack one problem at a time and fix it. I was going to replace my engine an box as well not long ago ($950 both 70ks),but decided to let it explode on the side of the road if its going to go before I replace them just for a laugh PS: I looked at your video and it looks pretty tidy under the bonnet it doesnt appear to have had a hard life,all cars have minor probs from time to time sort them out and save some dollars for beer or what ever tickles your fancy....
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05-08-2008, 10:18 PM | #13 | |||
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matts all sorted for now, have him coming into our workshop for a look-see and diagnose problems and solutions....i'll hopefully get him out of this as cheap as possible
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06-08-2008, 11:50 PM | #14 | |||
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Hope it all works out really well for him, he's had a bad run with that car. GK
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07-08-2008, 05:39 AM | #15 | |||
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funnily enough, although it was playing up on matt on the way down to see me, it didnt play up once while i was looking at it: just a little bit hard to diagnose a problem when the problem doesnt want to be diagnosed!! being an intermittant problem...we can rule out burnt valves or sticky lifters. more then likely will be an electrical problem. ECU reset didnt work and problem is on both fuels. so its not LPG related. anyway, got matt to book her in so we can spend more time looking and chasing down the problem.....hopefully wont be anything to drastic. think we may have located the tapping noise at the back of the block.....possibly dodgey leads. with any luck a lead swap will fix this and as a bonus may stop the blow back down the intake. if this is the case, a set of ICE leads for $120 odd and matts a happy camper fingers crossed. as for the rattle at the bell housing, couldnt hear anything once again, but will see what happens when he comes back.
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10-08-2008, 04:33 PM | #16 | |||
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I wasn't sure if it was normal or not but you can clearly hear it when the bonnet is down. Causes an irregular idle. I think my ISC is shagged. :( |
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10-08-2008, 07:43 PM | #17 | ||
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Yeah, thats the one.. only does it sometimes. Hasn't done it since just before I saw au2sw with it and I just got back from a 350km~ round trip.
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10-08-2008, 08:11 PM | #18 | |||
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I also have the oil leak you described. Had the chance to change the oil today and noticed the passenger side of the engine block was covered in oil at the front around the head gasket. Haven't checked if it's the pressure sensor yet, have to check tomorrow when there is more light. It has used about 1 litre of oil in 10,000 kms. I wonder if au2sw will appreciate another au with similar symptons |
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11-08-2008, 06:04 AM | #19 | |||
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if you have the same symptoms as matt, when (and if) we find the problem, ill let you know the remedy and you may be able to sort it your self. as for the 1 ltr oil for 10,000 ks, thats fairly normal....dont worry about that. and it seems the oil weepage on the front left of the motor is pretty common as well.
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11-08-2008, 09:08 AM | #20 | ||
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as for the air noise, what happens if you remove the hose to the pcv valve and block it?
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11-08-2008, 10:14 AM | #21 | ||
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Nothing.. Was actually the first thing I tried.
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11-08-2008, 01:03 PM | #22 | ||
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OK well I can give you what I have tried so far with the rough idle/bursts of air.
Removed PCV Valve and blocked it. Cleaned TB and ISC. Replaced ISC gasket. They all didn't work, however when I disconnected the ISC and adjusted the base idle so that it didn't stall I had no problems with the rough idle/bursts of air. I left it disconnected for a month or so. So I'm thinking that there is a problem with the ISC itself or a sensor that tells the ECU to operate the ISC. I don't have a spare ISC to test unfortunately. About the oil, if it's normal thats fine. But is has only started doing it in the last 10,000 kms. That's what brought it to my attention. Normally it doesn't use any oil whatsoever. I hope this helps a little in solving you cars woes. |
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11-08-2008, 08:47 PM | #23 | ||
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ok....that little black thing on the side of the isc has a filter type thing in. remove that cover with the motor running and try and block the inside part up and see if that makes any difference. if it does chances are the isc has had it
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11-08-2008, 09:33 PM | #24 | |||
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12-08-2008, 11:57 PM | #25 | ||
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screwdriver in behind it maybe, mine came off quite easily...
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13-08-2008, 11:04 PM | #26 | ||
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Organising a reco engine from blackers10.. Hopefully that spells the end for my problems!
I was considering going through the diagnosis and repair route, but I can't bear to spend $100's on diagnosis only to find out that I need a new engine anyway.. Not to mention my head gasket will need doing, which will be dearer than this reco. heh Matt. |
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