is a mercedes c63 amg 2.5 times the car of a fpv 335 GT?

[RAPID_BA]

We all know the Mercedes c63 is an awesome machine. It costs 2.5 times our boss 335 gt in price.

But is it 2.5 times the car?

Performance they would be about level, interior and looks the c63 has it sewn up, quality, prestige? 2.5 times? Resale?

Is it 2.5 times the fpv product or does our gt punch well above its weight.

Wasn't the f6 not long ago acknowledged as the best sports car under $100k?

[Grunter]

It's actually 2.78 times the car. Others may disagree.

Yes.

Yes.

[JC]

Originally Posted by Grunter

It's actually 2.78 times the car. Others may disagree.

Yes.

Yes.

2.78. I see you've rounded a bit.

A person who can afford a C63 might buy an FPV as a daily.........

[GazzF6]

Different strokes for different folks..

At the end of the day they all loose money, so the more money up front, the more you loose...

Discounted FPV,s all models, when available are Great value, no question about it, status symbols are just that, not perhaps good investments, but you have got to spend your money some way? If you have it..

I still say the Nissan GTR is has to be the best value option on four wheels, it's the FPV of Super cars!

Throw 20-30k at your FPV and you will have a very nice and capable motor vehicle. I do get your point btw, and I agree it's a valid one.

[dylby1]

I'd still prefer a falcon to spending that much on a car

[mik]

how long is a piece of string? the fords are a compromise family sedan/high performance grand tourers, the amg is a dedicated luxo factory hotrod which you pay well for , it`s probably not really fair to compare the two, but it seems to me the bang for buk would go to the ford.

[wrongwaynorris]

No it isnt but it still would not stop me buying one if I had the money .

[Dave R]

Remember C63s sell for 60 kay on the US market, which makes our 335 GT look like the rort of the century. So really, a C63 is only '2.5 times the car' after various taxes and what have you...

[DJR-351]

How much does a new C63 cost in the country it was made in ? as Adrenaline points out, you can't compare the $$ worth of one here after all the duties and taxes have been implemented.....

But to those that are willing to pay 2.5 times the price of a GT (in Aust) then yes, it's worth every penny.....

[F6E]

Most definately so.
My mate is rocking one atm. HRE's, coilovers, tune. It is a beast of a car.
Fast, comfortable (even on 25 series rears) , all the luxo appointments and looks tuff
Cannot believe how loud the factory zorst is !!
A few pics....(porn)

[Sterling]

Originally Posted by F6E

Most definately so.
My mate is rocking one atm. HRE's, coilovers, tune. It is a beast of a car.
Fast, comfortable (even on 25 series rears) , all the luxo appointments and looks tuff
Cannot believe how loud the factory zorst is !!
A few pics....(porn)
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love it! i got to drive one of these once, man that was just unreal.. unfortunately i have not driven anything above a BA xr8 though.

just love the way it looks, really set it off, and when you look at the softer models, you can tell mercedes didnt just slap on a bodykit or something. it actually looks like the tamer model, on steroids!!

but in my opinion, if it costs so much more, you would not want to finance a car like this, either bloody huge repayments, or a life sentence of a loan.

and if you were fortunate enough to buy one of these in full, i would rather have an FPV, and a Clubsport in my garage for the same price, instead of just ONE of these.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

How much does a new C63 cost in the country it was made in ? as Adrenaline points out, you can't compare the $$ worth of one here after all the duties and taxes have been implemented.....

But to those that are willing to pay 2.5 times the price of a GT (in Aust) then yes, it's worth every penny.....

Very good point...you should really only compare the price plus on-roads in the country they are built, converted to Australian money. Of course, having to specially build RHD cars for us here in Australia becauee we can't be trusted with brand new left hand drive cars doesn't make it any easier for the car makers. Couple this with import tariffs and taxes on vehicles over a certain rice to protect our precious fragile car industry and prices shoot through the roof.
"Luxury far tax"? Anyone else remember when it came out and the government discovered to their embarassment that it wouldn't only be fat cat rich guys cars that would get caught in the bracket, but also quite ordinary things like a family Toyota Tarago with a couple of options and some Australian made stuff like an LTD or statesman caprice with a few option boxes ticked?


Isn't personal imports only allowed after spending more than six months living in another country, and then only of cars over a certain age?

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Isn't personal imports only allowed after spending more than six months living in another country, and then only of cars over a certain age?

As pointed out above, you have to own the new car for at least 12 months
in UK and prove that you have been using it via Passport/visa movements.

Cars over 15 years old have much less restriction on them..

[351capri]

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

Remember C63s sell for 60 kay on the US market, which makes our 335 GT look like the rort of the century. So really, a C63 is only '2.5 times the car' after various taxes and what have you...

yep, agree, in order to make aussie products "competitive" the imported stuff is taxed a ridiculous amount. without this protection, no aussie car industry!

[data_mine]

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

Remember C63s sell for 60 kay on the US market, which makes our 335 GT look like the rort of the century. So really, a C63 is only '2.5 times the car' after various taxes and what have you...

I've actually done the math on it. the tax's etc. would only make a C63 ~90k here not the ~180k. Merc (and BMW/Audi) add a big '**** you Australia' profit margin, because they can. They obviously sell enough to make them happy at a price that's ******* great profit for them.

It's even 'worse' on the next range up. E63/M5/RS6 we see 250k here, they're 80k US.

[F6E]

Originally Posted by data_mine

It's even 'worse' on the next range up. E63/M5/RS6 we see 250k here, they're 80k US.

Too true, yet you get on M5board.com and the Seppos' carry on like $80 K is killing them. I sold my 6 yo, 90km, M5 for more than you'd pay for a brand spanker in Obama Land.... F10 will price point mid/high $80's US
I still cant get my head around the reasons for the price difference, same car, same parts, same, same, same... They even get better warranty, covers consumables like clutch and brakes !

Where does the extra $170K go ?

Bit (lot) OT, sorry

[gcg2503]

Originally Posted by F6E

Where does the extra $170K go ?

Govt Taxes, BMW Australia and respective BMW dealers

[RAREV8]

Originally Posted by data_mine

I've actually done the math on it. the tax's etc. would only make a C63 ~90k here not the ~180k. Merc (and BMW/Audi) add a big '**** you Australia' profit margin, because they can. They obviously sell enough to make them happy at a price that's ******* great profit for them.

It's even 'worse' on the next range up. E63/M5/RS6 we see 250k here, they're 80k US.

If that profit is indeed made, I can assure you it isn't seen at dealership level! I suspect that when you calculate import excise, duties and LCT, you may find the lions share of the difference is there rather than lining some DP's pocket.

[DJM83]

If I ever had the money looks alone of the C63 wins hands down then we get into all the the areas the C63 is better. But everything is built to a budget for what you get with a 335GT it isn't too bad compared to the euros. I remember HSV didn't want to be compared to FPV, compared to the euros they IMO aren't even close.

[AMGC63]

YES..... That is all.





Nothing wrong with the GT either, but if you need to ask you wouldnt understand the answer.

[jpd80]

C63 is a nice car I would love to own one.

In the USA, the SS Commodore sold as Pontiac G8 for around 30 K so by my estimations, a GT Falcon would probably be just under the C63s price there.
Put the additional costs down to RHD engineering and importation mark up.

[tex]

Diminishing returns, like everything in life.

Is a $4000 .243 rifle worth it compared to a $1500 one, and is $3000 optics worth it compared to the $600 telescope? Intended function results in the same thing - a very dead recipient of the bullet from either, but one just does it more accurately, with a greater level of precision. Ones nicer to handle, nicer to use, has greater inherent levels of precision engineering, and maybe even a properly comprehensive after sales support service.

So if you can afford it, and see value in those things, of course it's worth it, without a shaddow of a doubt.

[GreenR]

My previous boss had one. Yes.

[Danny]

Is the C63 2.5 times the car of the GT335?

Its actually probably 10 times the car of the 335. The 335 is a heavy car with a POORLY set up chassis which doesn't handle, and doesn't get the power down with those stupid skinny tyres (what the HELL was Ford thinking??).

The C63 is a wonderful car with perfect handling (which belies its admittedly falcon like weight), wonderful steering feedback (perhaps a tiny bit of rack rattle) and is blisteringly fast (getting the power down is half the battle of the FPV), with every single concievable creature confort you'd expect from a post $100k car. This vehicle and ANY Australian built "sports" sedan (dumbass looking HSV's included) need not even be mentioned in the same sentence.

The C63 is worlds ahead of anything that Ford or Holden can offer, and it makes sense when you consider the worldwide market they are built for commands a world class budget. Any comparison or attempt to insinuate that a 335 GT is a serious alternative is laughable.

Originally Posted by mik

how long is a piece of string? the fords are a compromise family sedan/high performance grand tourers, the amg is a dedicated luxo factory hotrod which you pay well for , it`s probably not really fair to compare the two, but it seems to me the bang for buk would go to the ford.

When you consider this is an AMG vehicle, whose pricing begins at "only" $140k (especially when you consider pricing on current other AMG models or AMG's of the past with similar performance), for something which performs and handles and seats 4 in comfort, then in my opinion, it is great value. The fact that last year the C63 alone was responsible for breaking a new AMG sales record says volumes.

I can not wait for the C63 Coupe to arrive here. Then, I may just be a convert myself.

[MitchG]

Sit in a FG GT, then go sit in a C 63 & before you have even started the engine you can see where your money has gone.

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by Danny

Is the C63 2.5 times the car of the GT335?

Its actually probably 10 times the car of the 335. The 335 is a heavy car with a POORLY set up chassis which doesn't handle, and doesn't get the power down with those stupid skinny tyres (what the HELL was Ford thinking??).

The C63 is a wonderful car with perfect handling (which belies its admittedly falcon like weight), wonderful steering feedback (perhaps a tiny bit of rack rattle) and is blisteringly fast (getting the power down is half the battle of the FPV), with every single concievable creature confort you'd expect from a post $100k car. This vehicle and ANY Australian built "sports" sedan (dumbass looking HSV's included) need not even be mentioned in the same sentence.

The C63 is worlds ahead of anything that Ford or Holden can offer, and it makes sense when you consider the worldwide market they are built for commands a world class budget. Any comparison or attempt to insinuate that a 335 GT is a serious alternative is laughable.



When you consider this is an AMG vehicle, whose pricing begins at "only" $140k (especially when you consider pricing on current other AMG models or AMG's of the past with similar performance), for something which performs and handles and seats 4 in comfort, then in my opinion, it is great value. The fact that last year the C63 alone was responsible for breaking a new AMG sales record says volumes.

I can not wait for the C63 Coupe to arrive here. Then, I may just be a convert myself.

fair call your right

[SLO AU XR8]

Yes. RNS-11Z is a member on here with an extremely tough, 11 sec C63. These look and sound the business, along with having the reputation of being a Merc. Build quality of the C63 makes the GT/GT-P/GT-E look like a taxi.

Obligatory pics of Harun's C63:

[jpd80]

Would it be cheaper to buy a new C63 in England and pay any duty levied to import it into Australia?

[sprint347dave]

does the c63 start out as a taxi car aswell ?

[Mitch_]

Originally Posted by sprint347dave

does the c63 start out as a taxi car aswell ?

I'm sure the C-Class has been used in Europe for taxi's...