F6 vs R8

flappist · 27-10-2006, 06:55 PM

This is an interesting thread. A kiwi tested his F6 against a VE R8 on the pretext of potentially buying it and the results were not what the "true believers" hoped for.

In the land of the the blind a one eyed man would still drive a ls1......

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=64108

Brute6 · 27-10-2006, 07:44 PM

Oh no, their precious new model couldn't be beaten by an older model Ford, could it? I guess thats your typical Holden enthusiast......

Full Spectrum · 27-10-2006, 07:47 PM

A Run in F6 againts a tight new demo car

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nugget378 · 27-10-2006, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SlickHolden

A Run in F6 againts a tight new demo car

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Hmmm,my engine made the most power when it was new,the more k's I put on it, it got progressively slower,this "tight" stuff is overated IMO...

Full Spectrum · 27-10-2006, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

Hmmm,my engine made the most power when it was new,the more k's I put on it, it got progressively slower,this "tight" stuff is overated IMO...

Your probably right with new cars.

4Vman · 27-10-2006, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

Hmmm,my engine made the most power when it was new,the more k's I put on it, it got progressively slower,this "tight" stuff is overated IMO...

VERY True, this "tight" stuff is just garbage, they make the most power when they're new, running an engine in takes an hour or 2 tops, the rest is slowely down hill...

WILDTRAKPX2 · 27-10-2006, 09:23 PM

We won't have to wait long for a "proper" comparison. I'll be putting my money on the Clubsport.

BadMac · 27-10-2006, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Shockwave XR8

We won't have to wait long for a "proper" comparison. I'll be putting my money on the Clubsport.

I have seen one test of GTS versus F6 and nobody would take your bet.

The real test for me is if any mags can match or better the claimed 4.98 0-100. So far the only figure I have seen was 5.35 from NZ Autocar, but it was done on a corse chip road and they wheel spun it for first 2 gears, so hardly a benchmark (which is what they said).

AUIII XR8 MAN · 27-10-2006, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Shockwave XR8

We won't have to wait long for a "proper" comparison. I'll be putting my money on the Clubsport.

Agreed

BadMac · 27-10-2006, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

VERY True, this "tight" stuff is just garbage, they make the most power when they're new, running an engine in takes an hour or 2 tops, the rest is slowely down hill...

Rubbish, valves need to seat, bearings and cranks need to bed and get a good oil film built up. Tolerances adjust themselves, why do you think blue printing can get you better performance.

I have seen dyno graphs of engines and their power increases with hours for a while, then as you say it slowly drops away. I have also read many comments from LS2 owners (VZ HSV's) that their cars seem to grow another leg past 10,000km and one of the performance shops did some testing and found power definately peaked after 10,000km on a standard (unmodified) car.

By the way, I used to build engine dynos and their control systems for a few years, so have some experience in running engines on dynos and their charateristics.

NC 5ltr · 27-10-2006, 09:33 PM

Would of thought they would run there engines on an open dyno first up(engine not in the car) to loosen the engine a bit!!!!

regardless,the phoon will always win in in-gear acceleration.

27-10-2006, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BadMac

Rubbish, valves need to seat, bearings and cranks need to bed and get a good oil film built up. Tolerances adjust themselves, why do you think blue printing can get you better performance.

I have seen dyno graphs of engines and their power increases with hours for a while, then as you say it slowly drops away. I have also read many comments from LS2 owners (VZ HSV's) that their cars seem to grow another leg past 10,000km and one of the performance shops did some testing and found power definately peaked after 10,000km on a standard (unmodified) car.

By the way, I used to build engine dynos and their control systems for a few years, so have some experience in running engines on dynos and their charateristics.

Spot on there

: .4Vman an engine over time needs to be run in to perform it's best.If you take the right approach in running in an engine it will perform better than one that has just been neglected or incorrectly bedded in.I don't believe a motor is run in after a few runs around the block.

**DJM83** · 28-10-2006, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SlickHolden

A Run in F6 againts a tight new demo car

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Thats wat a demo car is for my friend im sure it has had a hard short life and has been run in

XR6TickfordBoy · 27-10-2006, 07:49 PM

I love how all the following posts are just excuse after excuse. Accept defeat!

XR8-260 · 27-10-2006, 07:53 PM

As much as i love ford i doubt the F6 could beat a properly run-in R8. IMO a regular SS would give the F6 a good run if not better it.

Scott · 27-10-2006, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6TickfordBoy

I love how all the following posts are just excuse after excuse. Accept defeat!

Do you have ESP? I wish I could see the posts that would follow mine, I would start a thread on the Melbourne Cup!

BadMac · 27-10-2006, 08:33 PM

Guys to try and bring some independant comment to the discussion.

1/ Nobody can varify the claims so take the "tests" with a grain of salt.
2/ The R8 was brand new and I have driven a brand new one and they feel very tight, after 5k they are feeling good and I bet after 9k they aremaking real good power (I have also driven a brand new F6 and they also improve with mileage).
3/ We know nothing about the weather conditions, if its was cold and moist then the phoon would be at its best.
4/ We know nothing about the drivers and ther relative skills, swapping drivers and redoing the "tests" would at least have evened out any driving skill mismatch.

Remember Motors Figures. Back to back tests not somebody and his mate thrashing a brand new car.

Manual SS
0-100: 5.2
400m: 13.4@174.9

Compared to the Auto Typhoon.
0-100:5.4
400m: 13.5@175.1

M14A-Mclaren · 27-10-2006, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BadMac

We know nothing about the weather conditions, if its was cold and moist then the phoon would be at its best.

Since the test was done in NZ, there is a good chance it was.

Full Spectrum · 27-10-2006, 08:15 PM

I loved the mobile countdown

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They probably did this but it's pretty shocking and i thought recording my 0-100 with voice was bad:P It's bad

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Orbit · 27-10-2006, 08:19 PM

a run in R8 would have been a different story i think....well atleast iw ould have been a MUCH fairer comparison!

SpoolMan · 27-10-2006, 08:34 PM

I was chatting to a mate of mine he is a member here (VX8255) and is a LS1 nut.
He recently drove a VE SS and said it felt sh#t, it didn’t inspire him at all.
The biggest problems was the lack get up and go when you kick the auto down it takes to long to accelerate, for now he will stick with his LS1.

XR8-260 · 27-10-2006, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SpoolMan

I was chatting to a mate of mine he is a member here (VX8255) and is a LS1 nut.
He recently drove a VE SS and said it felt sh#t, it didn’t inspire him at all.
The biggest problems was the lack get up and go when you kick the auto down it takes to long to accelerate, for now he will stick with his LS1.

In wheels, the auto V8 calais ran a 13.9 sec 1/4 mile - only 0.1sec slower than the manual

MrSparkle · 27-10-2006, 09:37 PM

Wow, I feel stupider just from reading both this and the LS1 thread. Go figure.

gmkila · 27-10-2006, 10:21 PM

who cares which one is quicker if u want to find out for yourself go test drive one of each it's very easy to do

XR8-260 · 27-10-2006, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by gmkila

who cares which one is quicker if u want to find out for yourself go test drive one of each it's very easy to do

I wanted to test drive an AUIII XR8 to see how it compared to my BA and the sales person looked at my 18yo face and made up some bull crap excuse to not let me drive it. He mentioned somthing about insurance policies etc which is Bullcrap...

Uni · 27-10-2006, 10:45 PM

R8 all the way. sorry folks, but the VE in raw performance terms is simply a better car, no doubt about it. the fact this test was so unscientific is [1] Hardly suprising and [2] almost entirely irrelevant. in raw numbers the R8 is better, and in sheer engineering and practical terms, it makes sense that it is the better of the two cars. Don't get me wrong, the Typhoon is on a fast track to cult status, along with its skinnier XR6T cousin, but the R8 is still the better car.

having sat in both today, i'd still take the Typhoon because the VE has possibly the worst interior i've ever experienced (dark, drab, it didnt even bloody work properly, i couldnt find anything, the ergonomics didnt suit me etc) BUT on sheer dynamic and performance terms, R8>Typhoon

Uni/.

**Falcon Coupe** · 27-10-2006, 11:22 PM

LS1 don't take any sort of defeat easy, it was not a real test, but as was mentioned, if it were the other way round it would be a real world comparison.

XRQTR · 27-10-2006, 11:40 PM

Run in Shmun in, you need to stop playing with your tools boys, the XR6 got its first hot shot in first at a set of lights with less than 15km's on it, straight from the dealers and I was running late to get back to work. Before she had done 200km's she was bouncing off the limiter, and yes she is still running fine almost 140,000km's later.

As for correct run in procedure ensuring optimal efficiency, I did Newcastle to Kalkallo which is 20km's short of 1000, so 980km if you failed maths on the one tank. She does a 15.2 flat with only a chip and cat back consistently so certainly no lack in power when compared to cars with more bolt ons and other mods are placed in the equation.

I read this comparison on the XRt forum and as far as I recall both were dissapointed with the R8 and not only on the outright power of the car, so I think the anal pirates need to find a new flag to fly, possibly a white one.

edit : the XR6 is an AU2 VCT by the way

MITCHAY · 28-10-2006, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by XRQTR

edit : the XR6 is an AU2 VCT by the way

Lol I was gonna say 140,000kms would be a more than a lot for a BA or BF.

SS beast · 28-10-2006, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTR

Run in Shmun in, you need to stop playing with your tools boys, the XR6 got its first hot shot in first at a set of lights with less than 15km's on it, straight from the dealers and I was running late to get back to work. Before she had done 200km's she was bouncing off the limiter, and yes she is still running fine almost 140,000km's later.

As for correct run in procedure ensuring optimal efficiency, I did Newcastle to Kalkallo which is 20km's short of 1000, so 980km if you failed maths on the one tank. She does a 15.2 flat with only a chip and cat back consistently so certainly no lack in power when compared to cars with more bolt ons and other mods are placed in the equation.

I read this comparison on the XRt forum and as far as I recall both were dissapointed with the R8 and not only on the outright power of the car, so I think the anal pirates need to find a new flag to fly, possibly a white one.

edit : the XR6 is an AU2 VCT by the way

I own a VZ SS and did 1126 kms on one tank (took 73.6L when filled). She does a 14.2 0-400m (easily) with no chip and cat back only. I'd be embarrassed quoting figures like yours. Good to see you put so much faith in a "backyard" test. Look at the figures Motor got, an SS smashed the F6, so I can see how an R8 with "only" 37 more kw would struggle.........Back to the drawing board Mr Ford....maybe twin turbos will give you a chance?