Open Speed Limit Highway in NT???

[zlcrazy]

Hi all,

Dont know if this is the right spot to put this but ill give it a go.

A friend of mine wants to know if there is a "Open Speed Limit" or higher than 110km/h highway in the Northern Territory i think he said??

Is this correct or is (Or does it) exist some other state???

I cant remember which state he said. Dont know why he cares, pointless really.

Any one know??? Thanks

[Bundy]

Open speed - nope not any more

Restricted now to 130km if memory serves correct.

[zlcrazy]

Originally Posted by bundy

Open speed - nope not any more

Restricted now to 130km if memory serves correct.

Ok. Do you know where it is???

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by zlcrazy

Ok. Do you know where it is???

Google is your friend.

130km/h speed limit on the Stuart, Arnhem, Victoria and Barkly highways
110km/h speed limit on all other roads – unless otherwise signposted


That’s a long way to go just to do 130 kph legally. If you’re in Sydney, the Great Western Highway on a Saturday night usually has an open speed limit or if you’re in Melbourne, Dandenong road in Doveton also has an open speed limit until the cops turn up.

… and yes, I am joking.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Google is your friend.

130km/h speed limit on the Stuart, Arnhem, Victoria and Barkly highways
110km/h speed limit on all other roads – unless otherwise signposted

There's a big rider clause to that.
If the police think that 130 kph is dangerous in the vehicle you're driving then they will book you.

Anyone versed with driving in the NT will tell you to watch for wandering stock and
buffalo at night so maybe ripping along at 130 in the dark isn't such a smart thing to do.

Just my 2 cents.

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by jpd80

There's a big rider clause to that.
If the police think that 130 kph is dangerous in the vehicle you're driving then they will book you.

THAT applies to any speed done in any speed limit zone (default or signposted), or if ever again on a speed derestricted (//) length of road,- by a vehicle.

NT Labor killed of speed derestriction (physically removed the signs and by legislation) in a fit of political correctness, effective January 1, 2007.

They did the same to NSW under Wran, July 1979. VIC; late 60's.

The speed derestriction sign has been removed from Australian Standard 1742.4 of 2009. This is an attempt by academia and state roads staffers, to prevent any parliament (a party as 'policy') from re-introducing the idea ever again in AUS).

Notable speed derestriction remains in Germany and on the Isle Of Mann. A few other areas also, parts of Thailand South, Malaysia North, Iran, India. Even South American countries, a la remote Argentina still show the (//).

PC British Transport employee imports to the island, have failed to introduce Britains (temporary) 70mph National Speed Limit, the Islands public voting up to 80% a determined NO to the speed limit. ("Temporary" is in UK legislation, and was imposed after the 74 Arab oil embargo on the west).

The legislation has not been removed, yet. PC will see it not so is my guess. That means GB (//) signs will remain as National Maximum Speed Limit signs. But the signs are withdrawing from Brit roads.

The Conservatives in GB did support an 80mph (130km/h) speed limit for its motorways in earlier electoral policy. To date, they have stopped funding for speed cameras, but time will tell if GB goes the way of EU and introduces EU's basic 130km/h freeway limit.

Meanwhile in Switzerland, the campaign for an incease in its freeway limit, currently 120km/h, in favour of 140km/h, continues...

Australia's freeways *WILL* remain at 110km/h for a few more years yet, but key intercity roads are being updated for that capability (ATSB Report). (median barrier/crossover U-Turn Bay 'gatelock' treatments, etc).

[KIWI-1]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

That’s a long way to go just to do 130 kph legally. If you’re in Sydney, the Great Western Highway on a Saturday night usually has an open speed limit or if you’re in Melbourne, Dandenong road in Doveton also has an open speed limit until the cops turn up.

… and yes, I am joking.

Western Ring Road. Not unusual for the lads to drive down the middle between two cars.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by zlcrazy

Hi all,

Dont know if this is the right spot to put this but ill give it a go.

A friend of mine wants to know if there is a "Open Speed Limit" or higher than 110km/h highway in the Northern Territory i think he said??

Is this correct or is (Or does it) exist some other state???

I cant remember which state he said. Dont know why he cares, pointless really.

Any one know??? Thanks

There was never a open speed limit in the NT.
As in that you could drive flat out, with out disregard.
you could back then get busted for many things even 110KM/H if the conditions were not safe. if you were towing a van there's a limit. if you exceed the speed rating on ya tyres. and it was up to the cops discretion of what he thought was safe and reasonable.
Some people think it was as if like, it was law less.

[sprint347dave]

14 years ago i took the xr8 sprint out to the NT,,1 of the best driving experiences i have,,5th gear 4900RPM dont really know what speed because the needle hit the bottom of the speedo,, properly around the 240ks

[Brazen]

Dont be too quick to rule out open limits to return to NT. The Country Liberal party up there is wanting to reintroduce it back if they get elected. Having had an email conversation with a member of the party there, I would say its a dead set certainty if they win the next election.

There has been too much economic fall-out for isolated road houses and towns from car companies no longer using the NT as the worlds high-speed durability hub as well as the increase in fatalities since the derestriction was removed.

[F6T]

Originally Posted by Brazen

... as well as the increase in fatalities since the derestriction was removed.

Wow - I didn't realise that was the case! Do you know more about it? Is it a case of more driver fatique do you think?

[bigdude1011]

Originally Posted by F6T

Wow - I didn't realise that was the case! Do you know more about it? Is it a case of more driver fatique do you think?

That, and alcohol.

[GYRKIN GT]

Conrod on 10/10/10

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by bigdude1011

That, and alcohol.

and boredom zzzzzzzz

imagine driving Sydney to Brisbane in a long straight flat featureless environment and you soon realise why they need higher limits than the east coast.

[Simple6]

Originally Posted by F6T

Wow - I didn't realise that was the case! Do you know more about it? Is it a case of more driver fatique do you think?

There was a section that had all the crash statistics and yes in the years after the 130km/h limit was imposed the crashes increase by 5x or so (I think).

I tried to find where I got it but russellw may have hidden/deleted them.

[mcnews]

Even the 130 is fantastic and makes motoring along so much more enjoyable.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Brazen

. . . . as well as the increase in fatalities since the derestriction was removed.

Before you make a statement like that, best you do a bit of research that entails more than one year.

Here is a place to start: http://www.roadsafety.nt.gov.au/tran...ts/index.shtml, scroll to the bottom, there are statistics that go back further if you want them. So far to me there has been very little change, but this year that could change.

I think it was January 2007 when the speed limit dropped to 130km/h

[fatcorty]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

Before you make a statement like that, best you do a bit of research that entails more than one year.

Here is a place to start: http://www.roadsafety.nt.gov.au/tran...ts/index.shtml, scroll to the bottom, there are statistics that go back further if you want them. So far to me there has been very little change, but this year that could change.

I think it was January 2007 when the speed limit dropped to 130km/h

I fail to see anything in that link that shows any data on the roads in question, just an overall statistic.

As for the NOW generation comments what has that got to do with the topic at hand????

[SilentDave]

There's a speed limit on Conrod, at the moment its 60km/h and on that weekend flatout

[flappist]

Yes but it is all just rhetoric and propaganda until after the election.

LAW law, never be a GST, no carbon tax.........

I will believe it when I see it (and will be spending my next holiday up there if it comes back)

[Ben73]

You can't go more then 130 otherwise you will be dead. Just like how everyone in Germany is dead.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Ben73

You can't go more then 130 otherwise you will be dead. Just like how everyone in Germany is dead.

That doesn't even warrant a comment, suffice to say, google accidents on the autobahn

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

That doesn't even warrant a comment, suffice to say, google accidents on the autobahn

I dug up the German road toll for 1998, that's the first result I found, and compared it to the Australian road toll in 1998.
I figured out the percentage killed based on the total population of the country, and the two percentages were very similar. I think the German percentage was slightly lower.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by Ben73

I dug up the German road toll for 1998, that's the first result I found, and compared it to the Australian road toll in 1998.
I figured out the percentage killed based on the total population of the country, and the two percentages were very similar. I think the German percentage was slightly lower.

a more relevant figure is fatalities per km driven.

[04redxr8]

I thought the topic was about an open (or derestricted) speed limit in the NT.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by sudszy

a more relevant figure is fatalities per km driven.

Topic has nothing to do with the German road toll keep it on topic

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by sudszy

a more relevant figure is fatalities per km driven.

Ok it's off topic but, Germany is a tiny country with alot more people then here. So they would probably have more congestion with a bigger chance of two cars coming together.
In NT there is not much to run into. Most the odd bit of wildlife.
If there was an open limit in NT that doesn't mean everyone has to do 160 all the time. People with common sense will only go as fast as they can based on thier car, time of day, etc.

[EgoFG]

Originally Posted by sudszy

a more relevant figure is fatalities per km driven.

I actually would love to see Deaths and Hospitalisations per person kilometre.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Ben73

I dug up the German road toll for 1998, that's the first result I found, and compared it to the Australian road toll in 1998.
I figured out the percentage killed based on the total population of the country, and the two percentages were very similar. I think the German percentage was slightly lower.

Now do a search about rescue and medical infrastructure in place along the autobahn and let us know what you find.

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

Now do a search about rescue and medical infrastructure in place along the autobahn and let us know what you find.

Speed managers inside our academic teaching uni's and road agencies use an item called 'The Hall Matrix', its one of the tools used to determine speed-limits, or derestriction.

Bear in mind that derestriction, in the new format proposed should be safer than 130km/h,- which is simply giving folk something to 'drive at'; often come what may - owing complacency over time. All is not as it would first seem in expected fundamentals. (//) should mean fewer crashes, but you might expect BIG ones on occasion, but the number of serious crashes should be LESS than under a speed-limit, regardless of it being in the 100-130km/h range.

(//) SEPARATES traffic, when you leave Germany and enter the hell hole we call Belgium with its 120km/h freeways, one thing is noticeable; "platoons" of vehicles form, just like in Australia. In driving, DIVORCE is good and is represented by (//), MARRIAGE = TAILGATING/SITTING TOO CLOSEand is represented by the speed-limit>> (90-130). MARRIAGE, for driving, is VERY, VERY BAD:-)

REGARDLESS, places like NT and NW-WA always have had, and always will have a higher than average fatal crash rate perhead of population/per registered vehicle, and VKT's, owing that environment.

CONSIDER ITS; we are heading for intelligent speed control, that will impact top speeds, regardless of allowance.

Originally Posted by GT-0733

true that.
i remember a few people getting killed in rollovers on the Central Arnthem Hwy. at the time we knew it as the Gove track, which is an usealed road.

Will likely remain under the RURAL DEFAULT limit, currently 110km/h max. This 'default' limit might change - lower in time, it should, we'll see.

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Also, take a long hard look at your cars tyres and pressures. Every rental I have ever driven they have beed all over the place. Another rulle of thumb. Run your tyres at one or two PSI lower if you are planning of long 130 drives. It also helps when it is summer to let a PSI or two out.

I tend to keep to the tyre placard myself (ignoring the sticker-cos tyres change over time). You've reminded me to get NT to nag the feds to harden up the NVS in relation to replacement tyres. You might recall that new cars, under our /ADR/UNECE regs are required to have tyres bearing a speed rating that exceeds the vehicles top speed potential. Years back FEDS weakened that for 'replacements' in NVS, meaning - sometimes you'd get high-enders with speed ratings of 170, 180km/h at 220km/h! NT could create a specific regulation (challengeable by Feds) for domestic consumption requiring same as ADR, AND/BUT such a thing wouldn't stop interstaters with replacement tyres with low speed ratings (unknowingly) driving at high-speeds beyond the tyres design and complaice criteria.

Tyre industry won't necessarily be pleased will they?

Originally Posted by Brazen

Keepleft, have you heard anything further about the 120 or 130kmh limits being introduced to NSW? there was some talk a while back. Barrier Hwy between Broken Hill and Willcania or Cobar would be perfect (well, unrestricted would be better actually).

Agree - I'll seek an update and discussion......