Ford gear box's in all V8 race cars ?????

GunmetalFox · 13-10-2011, 09:38 PM

Hey Guys,

Is it true that Holdens run ford gearboxs in their supercars aswell ??

Some dude was telling me about it the other day while i washed my ute.. was a pretty dodge looking guys so i thought id ask all the non dodgy looking dude hahahah.

And no im not a huge follower of the supercars aswell if you cant tell,

GTP owner · 13-10-2011, 09:41 PM

they are all Hollinger sequential boxes - a purpose built race part that is neither ford or holden (much like the rest of the vehicles)

GunmetalFox · 13-10-2011, 09:45 PM

There ya go learn something everyday...Not surprised they dont have much of there branded gear in them anymore, if they did theyd spend a fair bit of time in the pits haha thanks man

4VCLEVO · 13-10-2011, 09:49 PM

They do both have a ford 9" diffs in them. May be he said gearbox but ment diff.

FPVGT500 · 13-10-2011, 09:47 PM

Holdens run a Ford 9" Diff ive heard

TS50 · 13-10-2011, 09:52 PM

So really Ford won Bathurst (well a FORD diff anyway)

FPVGT500 · 13-10-2011, 09:54 PM

LOL thats so true TS50 if you look at it that way

FordFalconBF · 13-10-2011, 10:03 PM

Only true Ford Vs Holden racing it the utes.

RealChampionSup · 13-10-2011, 10:13 PM

Yeh its the Ford Diff, As much as Team Vodafone hate Ford and try not to reference the Ford brand, it is on their website under the car specs stating that it is a Ford diff

TheSneakiness · 14-10-2011, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FordFairlaneAU

Only true Ford Vs Holden racing it the utes.

To a point. Alot of this category now runs control parts (engines, wheels, tyres, etc)

eed-250 · 15-10-2011, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by FordFairlaneAU

Only true Ford Vs Holden racing it the utes.

Really? I believe the Holden utes are de-tuned so the Fords can keep up!

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Originally Posted by Iggypoppin'

I've always thought that V8SC is a crock. I'm sick of the field being only Holden and ford, there's barely any competition any more.
Bring back the production cars! F6, GT SC, R8, GTS, deck them out with proper safety gear and a few tweaks but otherwise they will be the same engined cars used on the road. Then, shock horror, LET OTHER MANUFACTURERS COMPETE! it's boring otherwise! Can't people see this?
I see photos from the old days with cossies, GT falcons(bloody real ones), tough holdens and GTR skylines in them. Imagine how much more entertaining those races would have been?
Instead we are stuck with "Holden" and "ford" cars that have barely anything to do with their road going brothers and a crowd of dimwitted bogans who think these cars are actually similiar to their road going cars.
And they wonder why die hard fans of racing like myself are switching off the tv and not watching? Because it's boring. Lap after lap of boredom.

I totally agree with your ideas and I'd love to see it happen BUT look how many Holden supporters are out there? If this series was to take over V8SC Holden supporters would be sick of losing and wouldn't watch anymore. I suppose I could say the same for the majority of Ford supporters too.

FPVGT500 · 13-10-2011, 10:52 PM

So we can conclude if it wasnt for FORDS diff, Holden would never win races

phillyc · 13-10-2011, 11:01 PM

Both makes run a Ford double wishbone style front suspension.

GMHolden got rid of their strut and took on the double wishbone on their race car, in exchange for Ford getting the undertray (ie an equal sized unit to the Commodore) they were denied during the AU era.

This was part of project blueprint.

They were also allowed to use Chev Aurora heads, which have non siamesed exhaust valves and with similar valve angle to the Ford Motorsport units. The complaint was that the Ford were too powerful.

So, you could say, run Ford style rear diff, Ford style rear suspension, Ford style front suspension, Ford style cylinder heads...

The supercars are nowhere near roadgoing / roadbased vehicles these days. Much closer to actual racers, but if you wanted to argue, they are closer to Ford than GM Holden.

No.6 · 13-10-2011, 10:54 PM

ill take those scraps as a win!

FPVGT500 · 13-10-2011, 11:04 PM

You learn something everyday, didnt know that Ford helped GM Holden that much hahahaha

GunmetalFox · 13-10-2011, 11:31 PM

And apparently Ford arnt selling cars.. they could probably make a tidy profit making parts for Holden, theres a new sales pitch for ya "Holden built Ford tuff", hahahah

PHANTMXR6 · 13-10-2011, 11:37 PM

Geez, you guys are really clutching at straws..............

fou_bleu · 13-10-2011, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PHANTMXR6

Geez, you guys are really clutching at straws..............

After last weekends results, who wouldn't? :P

PHANTMXR6 · 14-10-2011, 12:03 AM

Who wouldn't? Anyone who has staying power that's who.

Come on guys. A couple of off years and people arer looking for excuses?

Hang in there. Results will come.

Gavin Thomas · 14-10-2011, 12:08 AM

.............BUT, there is one very unique thing that the "holden" V8 S/C has - and that's the brain dead un-realistic morons / bogans that carry on about how good the red team is.....

Regardless of or un-beknown of the fact that there is actually more FORD stlye mechanical's in the vehicle =

Regardless of which V8 'SUPERFICIAL' CAR wins, at least when it's a FORD it's the real deal. So we can always be proud & true to have BLUE BLOOD, because it really is TRUE BLUE mate.

Ryan · 14-10-2011, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gavin Thomas

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Regardless of or un-beknown of the fact that there is actually more FORD stlye mechanical's in the vehicle =

Does this mean every time a Holden V8SC has a mechanical failure the blame is on the Ford styled parts?

WASP · 14-10-2011, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan

Does this mean every time a Holden V8SC has a mechanical failure the blame is on the Ford styled parts?

May be Ryan, its the implanted Fords part rejecting their donor ..

On a more serious note, I’m pretty sure the diff is referred to as a 9" diff because Ford own the patent to that particular design. The diff's they (SC) use are filled with race strength engineered components that have very little in common with the original factory items.

Having said that, I think it’s fair to say that Ford have developed some brilliant engine and driveline componentry over the years and it’s no surprise that these components are used as the framework on which many race parts are developed today.

Bossxr8 · 14-10-2011, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GunmetalFox

Im the average (non bogan) that dosnt follow V8 SC,s, and i realized that they arn't actually the same as the road goers. But i thought they did things along the line of gettting a normal road goer strip it down and build it up again with better, stronger, lighter part essentialy leaving a "stock frame, chassis, shell etc, just lighter faster better.

I did not realize they were more like Nascars just a shell over a purpose built every thing else.

And after knowing that im even less inclined to become a V8SC bogan

sort of like watch pharlap and pharlaps clone in a race just with different jockeys zzzZZZZZZ

It used to be the case a few years ago that teams had shells sent direct from the factory. My dad did some work on them making sure the pedal box area had brackets removed that the teams didn't require, they told the factory what they needed and didn't need and the shells were made and sent to them for the roll cage and everything else to be added. That changed a few years ago when the teams started building them from scratch, the chassis and rollcage were built up then the panels hung over the top.

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Originally Posted by burnz

in short their is nothing holden of ford in a v8sc (engine excluded)

gearbox: nope not holden or ford..
diff: nope not holden or ford..
suspension: nope not holden or ford..

as for the other coments: i see a lot more fords running chev's with 2speed powerglide and 9"
than any other combo.

holdens yes with the 9" but never a toploader.. sag, muncie, m21. but never a toploader.

No ones saying the Ford parts the Holdens run are directly supplied from Ford, they are saying the parts they use are based on Ford parts. The diffs are custom made 9 inchers, they would use aftermarket 9 inch parts from diff suppliers like MW etc, with some components custom made. You'd have to say most of the diff parts they use would work in a factory 9 inch.

Holdens front suspension is copied on the Ford double wishbone setup, not the crappy McPherson struts the Commodore has.

Heads are the Ford type non siamesed port style. I've never seen a production small block Chev with non siamesed ports, not counting the LS1 which is significantly different to the original small block the Holden engines are based on.

Toploaders in Holdens was a very popular mod done in the 70's, 80's and 90's. Its not a common thing done now, now that there are a lot of suitable gearboxes available now, Tremecs etc. Back before Tremecs became available the toploader was probably the strongest manual available to use so thats why Holden owners used them.

The only Fords that run powerglides are pretty much purpose built drag cars. You won't see many if any Fords run powerglides in a street car.

Iggypoppin' · 14-10-2011, 12:03 AM

9" diffs? I thought they had aftermarket diffs fabricated especially for the V8SC and simply based off the ford product? Not actually bearing much resemblance to the 9" of back in the day?
In fact aren't the cars themselves only 3% ford or Holden? The shell and the badge and the sticker or something silly like that? Geez all the Holden heads at work guff on about how awesome holdens are in the V8SC series yet don't realize the "holdens" racing(and the fords) bear nil resemblance to anything you can buy, except the badge and the shell.

Gavin Thomas · 14-10-2011, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Iggypoppin'

9" diffs? I thought they had aftermarket diffs fabricated especially for the V8SC and simply based off the ford product? Not actually bearing much resemblance to the 9" of back in the day?
In fact aren't the cars themselves only 3% ford or Holden? The shell and the badge and the sticker or something silly like that? Geez all the Holden heads at work guff on about how awesome holdens are in the V8SC series yet don't realize the "holdens" racing(and the fords) bear nil resemblance to anything you can buy, except the badge and the shell.

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Exact copy of the Ford designed 9inch - so they do actually resemble the "old 9 inch from back in the day".....But yes, not a genuine Ford made or supplied diff - just an "aftermarket" made unit.

Also as for the "3%" question, you should edit out the "in fact" part of it - as this may be how rumors become gospel,

. Rule #1 = don't believe everything you read. Although maybe it could be said that the red team is 3% holden & 5% Ford,

Anyway, in years gone by, it's always been widely known by many that the best way to improve the overall performance of any holden product was to fit Ford parts. ( IE, 9 inch diff, toploader gearbox etc )..... So i guess this is no new revelation to see this similar occurance with the current V8 S/C's.

burnz · 14-10-2011, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Gavin Thomas

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Exact copy of the Ford designed 9inch - so they do actually resemble the "old 9 inch from back in the day".....But yes, not a genuine Ford made or supplied diff - just an "aftermarket" made unit.

Also as for the "3%" question, you should edit out the "in fact" part of it - as this may be how rumors become gospel,

. Rule #1 = don't believe everything you read. Although maybe it could be said that the red team is 3% holden & 5% Ford,

Anyway, in years gone by, it's always been widely known by many that the best way to improve the overall performance of any holden product was to fit Ford parts. ( IE, 9 inch diff, toploader gearbox etc )..... So i guess this is no new revelation to see this similar occurance with the current V8 S/C's.

is that why a lot of ford's have chev engine's??

Gavin Thomas · 14-10-2011, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by burnz

is that why a lot of ford's have chev engine's??

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Are you asking a genuine question, taking the piz, or making a statement ?

Define "a lot".... Maybe you might be talking in competition use, ie= maybe drags or speedway etc ? As in street use, i would definately totally dis-agree with your assesment.

Just note also that i was refering to the wide use of those diff & gearboxes in the street holdens. ( As i'm sure the majority of those old enough would have already known excactly what i refering to. ) It was nothing un-usual to see a torana or HQ or similar holden to be running a 9 inch or toploader... Often driven by a Chevy engine as well. ( although we all know some late 60's / early 70's holdens came with factory chev engine ).

On the other side of the coin, it would have been very, very rare to see a street Ford with any holden mechanicals - let alone a complete chevy engine.
( At least that was the case living, driving & working in the auto industry in Brisbane in the mid 80's / early 90's, ie, true blue mate.)

xe351 · 14-10-2011, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by burnz

is that why a lot of ford's have chev engine's??

referring to rods? its easier to fit a windsor or chev because they are narrower than the mighty clevos and chevs have a lot more performance based products available

either that or the chev owners want a good looking car to go with their engine

Gavin Thomas · 14-10-2011, 01:00 AM

i noticed at one stage there, the commentators were trying hard to start a trend of just calling them the red or blue teams. Was never going to stick - and fair enough, as no matter what, it's still a real Aussie tradition. And the cars will still always wear a Ford or holden badge on the front, regardless of what mechanicals are under the skin. ( as said before though, only 1 is really fair dinkim true blue ! )

In any case, next time some red moron makes some old worn out jab about the meaning of FORD - let 'em know what the real meaning of their sheep following is.......

HOLDEN = Hand On Little Duck Every Night.

Note = Avoidance of "inappropriate language" has been taken with the use of the fluffy DUCK above - so this could also be exchanged with......D for..... DOG !

( also LIMP in place of LITTLE is another good killer blow ).

smally289 · 14-10-2011, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Iggypoppin'

In fact aren't the cars themselves only 3% ford or Holden? The shell and the badge and the sticker or something silly like that? Geez all the Holden heads at work guff on about how awesome holdens are in the V8SC series yet don't realize the "holdens" racing(and the fords) bear nil resemblance to anything you can buy, except the badge and the shell.

Even the shell on these things 'resembles' the road car. Park one side by side with it's road going cousin and check the wheel base.