Motor February - VE Pics

[Abacus]

Apparently the February edition of Motor has pics of the VE.

The "other" Ford forums has pictures posted up at:

http://www.fordaustraliaforums.com/f...ad.php?t=15489

Here they are:












Big weight penalty apparently - 230kg.

Exec gets 17 inch wheels.

SV8 gets dual pipes. SS gets quads.

Stato/Caprice get extra length in the rear doors this time.

[Redrum]

Love the retro paint job......... :
Wasn't aware of other forum, might go and have a look........

[spoonage]

If thats an SS, it looks like an absolute beast!

[Abacus]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Wasn't aware of other forum, might go and have a look........

They've got awkward forum classifications. The action's better here

[EFFalcon]

looks like a monaro front bar


17" on execs?
what a stupid idea

[Bossxr8]

Can't they design a front end that looks different to every other model from the past 5 years. Grille, lights and bumper look the same as VZ, with Monaro fogs tacked on and the spoiler looks like VZ too. Get some fresh ideas Holden. Roof profile and back door windows look like it has been taken from BA.

[Falcon Freak]

Headlight shape looks distinctly BA!

FF

[The G6ET Spot]

Originally Posted by Falcon Freak

Headlight shape looks distinctly BA!

FF

My thought exactly, plus rear door suspisiously like an AU and the rear like a mitsubishi 380. How groundbreaking!!!!!!!

[MethodX]

What do u expect?

An Au 1 Forte?

[gmhdriver]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Can't they design a front end that looks different to every other model from the past 5 years. Grille, lights and bumper look the same as VZ, with Monaro fogs tacked on and the spoiler looks like VZ too. Get some fresh ideas Holden. Roof profile and back door windows look like it has been taken from BA.

After reading some of your posts on here it is obvious that you would say anything just to degrade a Holden. Ever heard the term "credit where it's due?" Sure it may look like a VZ but thats the whole purpose of the disguise...Wait till you see the finished product before passing judgements.

I think these spy shots/photoshops are closer to the real thing than any we've seen before. They certainly look much better than Wheels' mediocre efforts.
IMO the blue VE in the pic looks awesome. If that is anything to go by then there are some great times ahead for Holden fans.

[SunDrifter]

Originally Posted by gmhdriver

After reading some of your posts on here it is obvious that you would say anything just to degrade a Holden. Ever heard the term "credit where it's due?" Sure it may look like a VZ but thats the whole purpose of the disguise...Wait till you see the finished product before passing judgements.

He's entitled to his opinion, just as you are yours. Unlike your post though, Bossxr8's isn't full of constant trolling/whinging. :

I think there are many styling cues taken from the BA under wraps here (headlights, roof profile, taillights, spoiler). Imitation, they say, is the highest form of praise.

[Brute6]

The reason for the 17's as the base rim size is for the upgraded brakes that have been developed for the car. Being a much heavier car, they need larger diameter brakes to haul the thing up. :hihi: I agree with the headlights very similar to the BA, but to me, it's gonna be a tough looking car....(in the Performance cars at least) Ford will still have their work cut out. And with the weight gain, the performance of the two will become very similar :evil3:

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by gmhdriver

After reading some of your posts on here it is obvious that you would say anything just to degrade a Holden. Ever heard the term "credit where it's due?" Sure it may look like a VZ but thats the whole purpose of the disguise...Wait till you see the finished product before passing judgements.

I think these spy shots/photoshops are closer to the real thing than any we've seen before. They certainly look much better than Wheels' mediocre efforts.
IMO the blue VE in the pic looks awesome. If that is anything to go by then there are some great times ahead for Holden fans.

Most people agree, the VE front end doesn't look much different from VZ, but with an AU/BA roof line and well. Whats the problem with saying that. I didn't say it was crap did I, I just said what I thought and I think Holden need to try something new, not just rehashing the same old stuff. If you don't like criticism of Holden then what are you doing on a Ford site. If you want everyone to agree with you then go over to LS1.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Most people agree, the VE front end doesn't look much different from VZ, but with an AU/BA roof line and well. Whats the problem with saying that. I didn't say it was crap did I, I just said what I thought and I think Holden need to try something new, not just rehashing the same old stuff. If you don't like criticism of Holden then what are you doing on a Ford site. If you want everyone to agree with you then go over to LS1.

Good call. However, as the mods will say "this is a site for everyone" however, I agree that people getting touchy over others opinion of a commodore is a bit childish.

Anyway, if people want to get offended by non objective criticism; try this on for size.
In keeping with tradition of naming their cars after the naval and political theme - Commodore, Director, executive, senator, the new holden has been named the "Rear Admiral".

[ba-xr8]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Can't they design a front end that looks different to every other model from the past 5 years. Grille, lights and bumper look the same as VZ, with Monaro fogs tacked on and the spoiler looks like VZ too. Get some fresh ideas Holden. Roof profile and back door windows look like it has been taken from BA.

i agree i dont like it at all. i think they have just gotten lazy with their design. if its sposed to be a "new" model they havent done too much thinking by the sounds of it. they prolly dotn want to make the same mistake mitsubishi did changing their shape too dramatically.

[SSBUB]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Can't they design a front end that looks different to every other model from the past 5 years. Grille, lights and bumper look the same as VZ, with Monaro fogs tacked on and the spoiler looks like VZ too. Get some fresh ideas Holden. Roof profile and back door windows look like it has been taken from BA.

ummmm buddy......BF? :



I reserve judgement until i see it in the flesh uncovered. :lookedat:

[Des]

Originally Posted by SSBUB

ummmm buddy......BF? :

BF is an update on BA. VE is a whole new chassis and car, not an update on the VZ (which is the final update of the family started with the VN). :

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by SSBUB

ummmm buddy......BF? :



I reserve judgement until i see it in the flesh uncovered. :lookedat:

The BF's a facelift of a 3 year old model, not a whole new car that still has the same looking front end from an old model from 5 years ago. Put it in perspective.

[Abacus]

At first blush, it doesn't really look like an all new car.

[chevypower]

that's the idea of the disguise... I think the Statesman looks a bit like the Maxima

[rodderz]

Nice styling to it, particularly in the SS...if the look is released like that they will sell very well

But as others have already said they have chosen a shape that suits and is similar to the current models, will it cater for new trends though?

[Abacus]

By that, I mean it doesn't look like a particulary revolutionary design...

[Abacus]

Best thing they've got going is 6.0L of grunt, and that ain't new.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Ill be looking closely at the SV8 when they come out, if its the around the same money as they are now then it would be a damn nice bang for buck!

[DJM83]

Going off those pics i prefer VZ im sure it will look better once the covers are off

[MITCHAY]

Looks nice, but I've always liked Commodores except VNs etc. 17 inch wheels will be costly when you go to put treads on a base family car but even the Subaru Liberty comes with 17 inch wheels nowadays. Hopefully this car will be able to deliver as much performance wise as it does visually.

[Windsor220]

ok is it just me or does that thing look basically the same as what they got now

[Lukeyson]

be interesting to see how much slower they will be with that much extra weight.

Looks not bad though

[BlueJ]

Weight up 230kg? Sounds about right, given the areas they would want to improve on.

This is what I IMAGINE is the case with the VE.

Body strength and stiffness up for safety, handling and refinement. Body is heavier as a result.

Suspension more complex with more links for better handling and ride, and less tyre wear. Suspension heavier as a result.

Larger wheels, tyres and brakes across the board for more grip and better stopping. Wheels, tyres and brakes heavier as a result.

More interior features like electric seats, electric pedals, electronic gadgets and so on. Better interior quality with improved plastics. Interior heavier as a result.

And so on. The engines are already as light as they are going to get. And at the price it is not economic to use aluminium or magnesium for doors, bonnet, suspension arms etc to reduce weight. So the weight of the car is pretty well determined by the factors above.

This shouldn't surprise any of us. If we look at recent history, all the new models in this class have had big improvements in body stiffness, handling, interior quality and refinement. Weight has been up across the board:
Magna TE model ~1500kg
Mitsubishi 380 ~1700kg

AU Falcon live axle ~1550kg
BA Falcon ~1770kg

VT Commodore ~1600kg
VE Commodore ~1800kg?

I think they are pretty brave launching a bigger, heavier car with petrol prices as they are. No wonder their MD has been talking up diesels.

[Bobman]

Very interesting....

Agree with John, 17" on pov packs is extreme... given it's about $150 a hoop for a decent tyre