Two killed Test driving Porsche In Brisbane

SLO AU XR8 · 01-03-2010, 09:02 PM

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Anna Caldwell and Robyn Ironside

March 01, 2010 04:52pm

LATEST: TWO men killed when a Porsche collided with a truck in Brisbane's south were testing specialists for a suspension and steering repair shop.

It has been revealed neither of the men owned the car. Both worked for Fulcrum suspension and steering specialists at Moorooka.
The men have been named as Greg Wright, 47 and Jarrod Hamilton, 27.

They were conducting a test drive of a long-term customer's Porsche 996 GT2 before work began on replacing suspension components on the vehicle.

Fulcrum Suspensions managing director Graham Scudamore-Smith stated: "On behalf of the entire Fulcrum Suspensions family we extend our deepest sympathies and condolences to the loved ones and friends of Greg and Jarrod after today's terrible tragedy. Greg was a member of the Fulcrum family for nine years, while Jarrod had been with us for just over three years.

"Both were highly experienced and responsible drivers. Both were professional engineers who made major contributions to the business. No words are enough to express the sadness and shock that we are all experiencing at this time.

"We are all still trying to piece together what caused this tragedy.

Both men are understood to have young families.

Early investigations suggest speed may have been a factor in the crash.

The collision occurred about 10.30am on Fairfield Road near the intersection with Nelson Street at Yeronga.

Local workers said the silver Porsche coupe was heading towards the City when it appeared to lose control in the wet and veer on to the wrong side of the road, into the path of an oncoming truck.

Police and emergency services were at the scene.

The driver of the truck was taken to hospital for observation but he was not believed to be seriously injured.

Fairfield Rd will remain closed to all motorists in both directions while police investigations continue

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/s...2-3102,00.html

Franco Cozzo · 01-03-2010, 09:25 PM

Quick ban all high performance cars for full licensed drivers!

(damn your anti capslock mod!)

jpd80 · 01-03-2010, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

Quick Ban All High Performance Cars For Full Licensed Drivers!

(damn your anti capslock mod!)

Quick, ban all oncoming trucks...

b2tf · 01-03-2010, 10:19 PM

Might I just remind everybody that we do occasionally have members of the Fulcrum team on here, so could we please bear that in mind with our responses.

Condolences to all involved, not least the truck driver who would no doubt have had a very hard day at work.

geckoGT · 02-03-2010, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

Quick Ban All High Performance Cars For Full Licensed Drivers!

(damn your anti capslock mod!)

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Quick, ban all oncoming trucks...

For gods sake, no time for jokes here, at least let the dust settle!

Swordsman88 · 02-03-2010, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by geckoGT

For gods sake, no time for jokes here, at least let the dust settle!

Agreed.....poor form IMO.

Can't imagine what it must be like for emergency services people such as yourself gecko.....coming to a scene like that where you can't do anything for those involved. I can honestly say i feel relieved i wasn't in the area to see it when it happened (i pass through fairly regularly that way). I dont' need to have that sort of thing haunting me.

I dont' think commenting on the causes etc. at this early stage is helpful but one thing that comes to mind is that with cars with that much grunt the consequences of misuse are so much higher. Its not about banning such cars but about being very very mindful of how you use them. No matter your experience level it is never wise to let your excitement overule your better judgement....

SLO AU XR8 · 02-03-2010, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Swordsman88

Agreed.....poor form IMO.

Can't imagine what it must be like for emergency services people such as yourself gecko.....coming to a scene like that where you can't do anything for those involved. I can honestly say i feel relieved i wasn't in the area to see it when it happened (i pass through fairly regularly that way). I dont' need to have that sort of thing haunting me.

I dont' think commenting on the causes etc. at this early stage is helpful but one thing that comes to mind is that with cars with that much grunt the consequences of misuse are so much higher. Its not about banning such cars but about being very very mindful of how you use them. No matter your experience level it is never wise to let your excitement overule your better judgement....

agreed. I actually live a few streets away from where the accident happened. Regarding excitement overuling better judgement, especially when you are driving something like a 996 GT2, wet weather + a car that is known as the Widowmaker...

Mickxr8 · 02-03-2010, 02:26 AM

[QUOTE=SLO AU XR8 especially when you are driving something like a 996 GT2, wet weather + a car that is known as the Widowmaker...[/QUOTE]
jeez !. i bet the widows are going to love reading that.!.
i kind of hoped as per ^^ we would let the dust settle...

jpd80 · 02-03-2010, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by geckoGT

For gods sake, no time for jokes here, at least let the dust settle!

Not a joke.

For anyone that cares, that was a quote given to me from an SES
volunteer who had seen far too many car crashes with oncoming trucks.

My apologies if that short hand quote offended any of you or worse, victims families.
Those of you that know me know that I don't joke about this stuff,
I ask the rest of you to give me the benefit of the doubt and let's move on...

**Captain Stubing** · 02-03-2010, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Not a joke.

For anyone that cares, that was a quote given to me from an SES
volunteer who had seen far too many car crashes with oncoming trucks.

My apologies if that short hand quote offended any of you or worse, victims families.
Those of you that know me know that I don't joke about this stuff,
I ask the rest of you to give me the benefit of the doubt and let's move on...

A coping mechanism used by many emergency services personnel is the 'black humour' jokes. It helps many cope with the graphic sights that are outlayed in front of them.

I actually formulated a lecture for Qld Paramedics, and use a fair bit of 'black humour' when I'm talking about death to trainee paramedics.

vegabass · 02-03-2010, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by swanny

A coping mechanism used by many emergency services personnel is the 'black humour' jokes. It helps many cope with the graphic sights that are outlayed in front of them.

I actually formulated a lecture for Qld Paramedics, and use a fair bit of 'black humour' when I'm talking about death to trainee paramedics.

As disrespectful as that may sound to everyone, it is a VERY VERY important part of debriefing and enabling these professionals to wake up the next day, get into their overalls, and get back into that ambulance.

**Peuty** · 01-03-2010, 09:27 PM

Tragic loss of life.

**Peuty** · 01-03-2010, 09:28 PM

Some very sobering pics

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/phot...0301-pd13.html

buggo · 01-03-2010, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Peuty

Some very sobering pics

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/phot...0301-pd13.html

those last two pics, idk just terrible to see

chrisfpv · 01-03-2010, 09:29 PM

Terrible news. Sad to hear that this happened while they were doing there job.

gcg2503 · 01-03-2010, 09:31 PM

Very sad indeed :(

The GT2 is referred to amongst journalists as "The Widowmaker"

A lot of power for a RWD rear engined car

UNR8D · 01-03-2010, 09:50 PM

wow... just.... wow

condolences to families involved... and as peuty said, some very sobering pics indeed..

Spudz27 · 01-03-2010, 09:54 PM

The last 2 pics make me angry. I know that they will take pics and post them of the car and that is fine as we all (well most people) want to see the damage. But to show the body being wheeled off covered or not is shocking to say the least. There is no need to post up those pics, think of the family and friends that may be looking at the pictures, the last thing they want to see is a body being wheeled off, all they can do is say "oh was that my dad's body"

Stefan · 01-03-2010, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by EDfutura25

The last 2 pics make me angry. I know that they will take pics and post them of the car and that is fine as we all (well most people) want to see the damage. But to show the body being wheeled off covered or not is shocking to say the least. There is no need to post up those pics, think of the family and friends that may be looking at the pictures, the last thing they want to see is a body being wheeled off, all they can do is say "oh was that my dad's body"

Yes they are shocking pictures, but they might just knock some sense into someone seeing them..... "we are not 10 foot tall and bullet proof"

dannyhilton · 02-03-2010, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

They might just knock some sense into someone seeing them..... "we are not 10 foot tall and bullet proof"

Nope. They won't. Young people these days see too much, look at the news now compared to 20 years ago. I'm 21 so I may be generalising a bit, as this hits a few chords with me but the majority I'm sure look at this then forget. We're desensitised, so things like this shock us, then five minutes later we go back to playing some killing game and laugh. I'm not saying this is the right thing, but it's the truth. Very sad, my deepest condolences to the family.

paule11 · 01-03-2010, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by EDfutura25

The last 2 pics make me angry. I know that they will take pics and post them of the car and that is fine as we all (well most people) want to see the damage. But to show the body being wheeled off covered or not is shocking to say the least. There is no need to post up those pics, think of the family and friends that may be looking at the pictures, the last thing they want to see is a body being wheeled off, all they can do is say "oh was that my dad's body"

That was on the news tonight channel 7 one lady said the guys were trapped in the car and couldnt be reached to do cpr on .
Showed the bodies being wheeled away as well

buggo · 01-03-2010, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EDfutura25

The last 2 pics make me angry. I know that they will take pics and post them of the car and that is fine as we all (well most people) want to see the damage. But to show the body being wheeled off covered or not is shocking to say the least. There is no need to post up those pics, think of the family and friends that may be looking at the pictures, the last thing they want to see is a body being wheeled off, all they can do is say "oh was that my dad's body"

yer your definently right. the are some ethical issues the media should not go near, the images of the man being taken away are a little bit morbid. If he wasn't covered I doubt the photographer wouldn't have taken them, so how does some pvc plastic change that, he's still a man, someones son, dad, husband, mate. I think he deserves more than for having his last photo ever taken to be of this nature in this circumstance, then being shown publicly.

Swordsman88 · 01-03-2010, 10:46 PM

This is very very sad. Condolences to the familes of those involved. I am sure the truck driver is also in shock when something like this happens right in front of his eyes.

I had some work done on a car by the Fulcrum Marooka guys and they were very professional and gave great service. Not sure i met either of the two who have lost their lives but its a sobering thing at the very least esp since with the weather in brisbane lately it has been tough enough getting the power down in my humbe XR6. Not the best time to be doing development testing lets put it that way....

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Originally Posted by EDfutura25

The last 2 pics make me angry. I know that they will take pics and post them of the car and that is fine as we all (well most people) want to see the damage. But to show the body being wheeled off covered or not is shocking to say the least. There is no need to post up those pics, think of the family and friends that may be looking at the pictures, the last thing they want to see is a body being wheeled off, all they can do is say "oh was that my dad's body"

Agree with the last bit in particular. No need to show that i don't see the point of it. Why take the shot in the first place?? Can only assume the photogs get instructions these days to 'get all the shots you can', and 'editors' (if you can all them that) get the final say on what gets used or not.....

RedHotGT · 02-03-2010, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by EDfutura25

The last 2 pics make me angry. I know that they will take pics and post them of the car and that is fine as we all (well most people) want to see the damage. But to show the body being wheeled off covered or not is shocking to say the least. There is no need to post up those pics, think of the family and friends that may be looking at the pictures, the last thing they want to see is a body being wheeled off, all they can do is say "oh was that my dad's body"

I'm quite the opposite... In fact this might be the reality check that some people need... More so the younger hoons who think that they are 'invincible and bulletproof'...

Seeing someone carted off to the coroner is very hard to digest... moreso of course if you are related or know the deceased...

Sends a very clear message though... TAC take note... Next ad campaign...

What will you miss out on??

ED Classic · 02-03-2010, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by loftie

I'm quite the opposite... In fact this might be the reality check that some people need... More so the younger hoons who think that they are 'invincible and bulletproof'...

Seeing someone carted off to the coroner is very hard to digest... moreso of course if you are related or know the deceased...

Why do realitives need to see this? They are probly 100 times more mature and better driver than you.....Very very very poor form showing those pics

RedHotGT · 03-03-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ED Classic

Why do realitives need to see this? They are probly 100 times more mature and better driver than you.....Very very very poor form showing those pics

Out of curiosity, why would the relatives be browsing photos of the crash that they lost their relatives on ninemsn??

I'm not suggesting we send the relatives the link, but obviously the news websites are the new way that rubber-necks that weren't on the scene can see what has happened....

So thanks for the personal attack on my driving skills... obviously my literary comments warranted it... (???)

geckoGT · 03-03-2010, 11:46 AM

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Out of curiosity, why would the relatives be browsing photos of the crash that they lost their relatives on ninemsn??

The simple fact is they often do, for reasons that are not understood by us but probably make sense to them. I think you will probably find a lot of family look at these articles trying to find answers to questions they don't understand regarding the incident.

Stattic · 02-03-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by EDfutura25

The last 2 pics make me angry. I know that they will take pics and post them of the car and that is fine as we all (well most people) want to see the damage. But to show the body being wheeled off covered or not is shocking to say the least. There is no need to post up those pics, think of the family and friends that may be looking at the pictures, the last thing they want to see is a body being wheeled off, all they can do is say "oh was that my dad's body"

completely agree, that was really disrespectful and was pretty sickening to see

XR8putts · 01-03-2010, 10:10 PM

Very sad indeed.

Looking at whats left of the car, makes you wonder how fast they were going.

flappist · 01-03-2010, 10:21 PM

FFS......

Two people lost their lives here.

They were someones' sons.
Someone's friends.
And probably someones' husbands and fathers.

It is a tragedy.

Rest in peace.