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07-02-2014, 11:53 PM | #1 | |||
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Interesting, big money being talked about - wouldn't be surprised if its a bank or Super fund that is interested. Obviously all pie in the sky stuff at this stage, but way too much value sitting there to throw away.
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08-02-2014, 12:18 AM | #2 | ||
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Theres no way GM will sell any of its intellectual property.
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08-02-2014, 12:22 AM | #3 | ||
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I think from memory when GM sold Saab it included the intellectual property. If it does get bought I doubt they will build the Commodore anyway.
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08-02-2014, 12:29 AM | #4 | ||
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I suspect it might be Tata or some Chinese auto group.
I cant see any local companies being interested in it, unless its to redevelop the land. But I dont think its worth $750m for that purpose, especially when it would need $100s of millions spent on cleaning up the site.
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08-02-2014, 12:33 AM | #5 | ||
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The Elizabeth site was built in the 1950s. A lot of it has asbestos and would need millions of dollars to bring it up to scratch. I don't see how it could be economically viable.
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08-02-2014, 01:55 AM | #6 | ||
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Pretty game even contemplating building cars here, and i wouldn't like to pin my hopes on the aussie dollar behaving itself for more than 5 minutes.
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08-02-2014, 07:43 AM | #7 | ||
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I don't know anything about the plants, but wouldn't the ford plant be a better one to buy?
Being smaller? No new business would surely need a facility as big as holdens. Wouldn't it make the fixed running costs so much higher? |
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08-02-2014, 08:56 AM | #8 | ||
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Ford Geelong is located very near to a deep-sea shipping port. Would make a lot more sense than Holden's Elizabeth Plant in SA.
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10-02-2014, 09:44 PM | #9 | |||
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Bio-tech cure for Geelong loss: Drug maker in Ford plan http://geelong.starcommunity.com.au/...-in-ford-plan/
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08-02-2014, 08:34 AM | #10 | ||
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That will go well...
If this happend, no doubt GM would rebrand its Australian opetation as Chevrolet, leaving the group of investors with the manufacturing side only. They can only take the VF out till 2017-2018 anyway, then will have to invest in a new platform... Not to mention gaving to sorce or creating supply chains for components, engines... I can't see it happening...
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08-02-2014, 08:57 AM | #11 | |||
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Someone should buy up Ford Facilities and keep pumping out AU3 Wagons or BF3 Wagons forever for taxi use... |
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08-02-2014, 11:31 AM | #12 | |||
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08-02-2014, 08:53 AM | #13 | ||
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If this is to succeed then its crucial that all level of governments devote 75% or more of their fleets to this car.
And imagine if they could buy the EcoBoost 2.3L off Ford |
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08-02-2014, 08:57 AM | #14 | ||
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08-02-2014, 09:19 AM | #15 | |||
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Ford AU Series Magazine Scans Here - www.fordforums.com.au/photos/index.php?cat=2792 Proud owner of a optioned keeper S1 Tickford Falcon AU XR6 VCT - "it's actually a better-balanced car than the XR8, goes almost as hard and uses about two-thirds of the fuel" (Drive.com 2007) |
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08-02-2014, 09:08 AM | #16 | ||
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I wish em all the best if it means more Aussie jobs for South Australia, i will be looking foward to more info in the coming weeks & months.
cheers, Maka
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Ford AU Series Magazine Scans Here - www.fordforums.com.au/photos/index.php?cat=2792 Proud owner of a optioned keeper S1 Tickford Falcon AU XR6 VCT - "it's actually a better-balanced car than the XR8, goes almost as hard and uses about two-thirds of the fuel" (Drive.com 2007) |
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08-02-2014, 09:43 AM | #17 | ||
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Nigerian scam
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08-02-2014, 10:09 AM | #18 | ||
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08-02-2014, 01:29 PM | #19 | ||
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Its far worse than a Nigerian scam. The article mentions members of the South Australian government.
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08-02-2014, 10:06 AM | #20 | ||
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"Interesting, big money being talked about-wouldn't be surprised if its a bank or Super fund that is interested. "
No bank or pension fund would come within 100 miles of a deal like this. Its easy to put a "consortium" togther ...but it's very hard (read impossible) to find funding for meaningless projects like this. |
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08-02-2014, 10:15 AM | #21 | |||
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Ford AU Series Magazine Scans Here - www.fordforums.com.au/photos/index.php?cat=2792 Proud owner of a optioned keeper S1 Tickford Falcon AU XR6 VCT - "it's actually a better-balanced car than the XR8, goes almost as hard and uses about two-thirds of the fuel" (Drive.com 2007) |
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08-02-2014, 11:12 AM | #22 | |||
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As the pool continues to grow (about $5 billion a week) the super funds are screaming for manufacturing investments to place the money. Its why small manufacturers in Australia have been able to stay Australian owned as the super funds have very little choice but to have a holding which keeps the share price in demand and make it harder for foreign takeover. I'm thinking of companies especially like Futuris, Bluescope, Boart Longyear which should have been picked off a long time ago. A large manufacturing concern listed in the ASX would have potentially a huge pool of money to play with. Last edited by Brazen; 08-02-2014 at 11:22 AM. |
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08-02-2014, 12:51 PM | #23 | |||
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By way of backround, I am a fund manager in the Australain Pension fund market, so I sort of get how things tick. Prior to switching to funds management I spent 12 years in bond trading/asset finanacing/corporate finance in one of the larger investment banks. |
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08-02-2014, 06:36 PM | #24 | |||
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Ford AU Series Magazine Scans Here - www.fordforums.com.au/photos/index.php?cat=2792 Proud owner of a optioned keeper S1 Tickford Falcon AU XR6 VCT - "it's actually a better-balanced car than the XR8, goes almost as hard and uses about two-thirds of the fuel" (Drive.com 2007) |
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08-02-2014, 10:18 AM | #25 | ||
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But GM has just devalued Holden to $71 Million...
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08-02-2014, 01:44 PM | #26 | |||
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It would be like betting on a nag in a horse race! |
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08-02-2014, 02:25 PM | #27 | ||
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The big missing link in all this is what would this new rejuvenated car plant make - no good going back to building Commodores. They will be back to where we are now in 5 years time.
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08-02-2014, 02:54 PM | #28 | ||
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Let's borrow other people's money to copy what GM was doing wrong....
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08-02-2014, 10:40 PM | #29 | ||
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Not a car engineer by any stretch, but for many years I have always wondered why modern cars are monocoque chassis? Why couldn't we tear a leaf out of the history books and build a solid modular space frame or ladder chassis with front suspension and IRS bolted in as modules. The frame could utilise modern lightweight materials and be designed to absorb crash impacts. Installing an engine would be a case of fabricating a bunch of brackets and braces to secure to the frame. Then a standard ISO pattern or even a Lego-themed assembly could be used to attach whatever body style you want to this chassis. The frame could stay the same for eternity, with the IRS, front suspension and powertrain components being continually developed, and the wheelbase or track could be adjusted by manufacturing parts of the space frame or ladder chassis in different lengths. The body styles could be assembled overseas and interior options could be built up as modules running a simple CAT5 or even a power/data/earth configuration. With this setup, average joe doesn't need to buy a new car... He could upgrade his car which he has setup and modified with the latest body style or a different one as his needs change. Couldn't this all work or am I just crazy ?
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08-02-2014, 10:54 PM | #30 | |||
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Passenger cars don't need this, because they're not lugging a tonne of bricks around in the tray or whatever, so monocoque is the way to go. Not only is a monocoque chassis lighter and cheaper to make, it can be designed to be just as flexible and almost as tough as a BOF platform. Not only do they not need the weight and toughness factor, they also have to comply with rigid safety standards that commercial vehicles do not. Look at the Falcon for example. Here is a RWD, front engine platform that supports 4 different engine types, plus an AWD SUV. Holden's Zeta platform is another. Supports 2 engines, a LWB, SWB and sort of supports a coupe. A monocoque platform can be scaled just as you describe with the BOF system, but the product doesnt have to pay a weight penalty or need extra plant at the manufacturing end to build it (read: more dudes on the line or more expensive automation). You can continually evolve the expensive bits like suspension units and engines and leave the rest pretty much static, or whack on a new top hat if you want fresh sheetmetal - sort of what Ford did from BF to FG, just with a lot more work in some areas and less where they should have.
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