Hoon Laws

[blazingwilly]

PROPOSED NEW HOON LAWS
don't lend your car to anyone, i know i wont anymore.
i used to lend it to family, and close friends, but the risk is to great now,
if they take of to fast, or do anything wrong, and the cops decides he or she is a hoon, i will loose my car for 30 days its up to the officers discretion .
cars are safer now ,better handling, better brakes, air bags etc etc etc
and yet they bring most speed limits down.i can give you at least a dozen examples ,but here is just 1, coming out of the tunnel towards S/E suburbs
80klm zone must be for at least 3 k or more ,BLOODY TWITS. yarra valley most of it 80 klm. coming back from adelaide 110 ok fine ,hit the vitorian border it 100 http://www.fordforums.com.au/newthre...newthread&f=2#
VICTORIA IS FAST BECOMING A DICTATOR STATE
must leave this post iam getting depressed

[chrisfpv]

[NAFairlane]

i find this subject simple tho, just dont get caught lol

[tex]

Originally Posted by NAFairlane

This subject simple, dont get caught.

Slight edit, I am with you brother.

[XCwillo]

WHat he said
Dont get caught
I often do about 320k's along back streets on my way to work
Only when i fill up with fulbber tho
Normal 98 petrol and i get about 300k's in some 60 zones
Never get caught so its never a problem.

[dylancox]

Originally Posted by XCwillo

WHat he said
Dont get caught
I often do about 320k's along back streets on my way to work
Only when i fill up with fulbber tho
Normal 98 petrol and i get about 300k's in some 60 zones
Never get caught so its never a problem.

Sorry, i've missed the point. The thread is about hoon laws, the original post was 'dont get caught'.. and you are talking fuel efficiency figures, 'fulbber?', petrol grades and speed zones?

[flappist]

You guys are missing the point.....

YOU DO NOT GET CAUGHT

Someone else does and YOU lose your car for a crime you did not commit...

Great idea though, all of the rental houses that have crimes committed in them should confiscated particularly those owned by anyone in the politacal or public service arena.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY

Any political electorate that has a crime committed in it should be confiscated from the sitting member and the political party they belong to.....

[mrbaxr6t]

Originally Posted by flappist

Any political electorate that has a crime committed in it should be confiscated from the sitting member and the political party they belong to.....

and I thought we swapped pollies fast now with that they would maybe have what 10 seconds in office in each electorate, all good tho GEN-Y attention span is only 8 seconds

[SpoolMan]

Originally Posted by mrbaxr6t

and I thought we swapped pollies fast now with that they would maybe have what 10 seconds in office in each electorate

And did we think the new lot was going to save us Victorians, they only want to save you when there sitting in opposition, now they need the cash just like the last lot that were kicked out of office, just keeps rolling on.

[Mickxr8]

Originally Posted by SpoolMan

And did we think the new lot was going to save us Victorians, they only want to save you when there sitting in opposition, now they need the cash just like the last lot that were kicked out of office, just keeps rolling on.

I thought we wernt allowed to bash pollies on here ?.
(according to forum T+C`s)
Dont get me wrong, I love a good pollie bashing when they deserve it
maybe russ can clear this up a bit ?.
judging on recent posts, a lot of stuff seems to not get pulled up as much.
(Woo hoo for me , coz I sometimes post some dumb ***)
Maybe a refined `sticky` ?

[SpoolMan]

Originally Posted by mickxr8

I thought we wernt allowed to bash pollies on here ?.
?

Not bashing any party or person, just stating its here to stay and we all hate it but have to live with it who ever is running our States.
States have came so accustomed to the large amounts of money from our cars, even if you or I were running the State we now rely on the this money for a good chunk of the budget.

[Kryton]

Originally Posted by flappist

You guys are missing the point.....

YOU DO NOT GET CAUGHT

Someone else does and YOU lose your car for a crime you did not commit...

And?
This ALREADY happens anyway with Hoon laws.

If you have knucklehead mates and you lend you car to them - your just as much at fault as the person driving it.
They dont give guns out to morons anymore, why give your car to one.

[svo supporter]

This law has been round for a while now. There have been threads on this forum relating to cars being impounded by drivers hooning in cars that don't belong to them, not to mention plenty of media coverage about it.

So really this is another thread running along the same lines.

[LTDHO]

I thought this had been law since hoon laws came in.

[NAFairlane]

this reminds me of a thread that was around a while back where a bloke was storing his unregistered car in a mates garage and when the bank reposessed the blokes house they took the other blokes car too, i think it took the bloke a matter of months to even locate his car nevermind get it back

[Kryton]

Originally Posted by NAFairlane

this reminds me of a thread that was around a while back where a bloke was storing his unregistered car in a mates garage and when the bank reposessed the blokes house they took the other blokes car too, i think it took the bloke a matter of months to even locate his car nevermind get it back

It was never ascertained if the the bank or anyone else took the car.
The car has not been found and it was only 2 months ago.

[Mickxr8]

I Would really like to comment on this subject but common courtesy, T+C`s and the swear filter would not go down well hehe.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by blazingwilly

yarra valley most of it 80 klm. coming back from adelaide 110 ok fine ,hit the vitorian border it 100 [
VICTORIA IS FAST BECOMING A DICTATOR STATE
must leave this post iam getting depressed

10 Kmh drop is stupid but it isn't too bad. I drive a road everyday that has been dropped from 100 to 60.... well the 60 zone has been extended by 500metres for no apparent reason, and the 100 zone was dropped to 90.


I agree how its ******** modern cars are 100% safer then a 30 year old car, yet all limits are dropping.


Done feel depressed about Vic laws.... other states are slowly following.

[Linkachu]

Anyone that plans on going to easternats better leave your modified car at home.
In Benalla they are going to cut off the main bridge so there is only one way through town. Any modified car will be put off the road even for the most stupidest of things.

This law hasnt been passed yet either for the 30 days first offence, but its going to be 30 days then crush/sell the car on 2nd offence.

[mrbaxr6t]

Originally Posted by Linkachu

Anyone that plans on going to easternats better leave your modified car at home.
In Benalla they are going to cut off the main bridge so there is only one way through town. Any modified car will be put off the road even for the most stupidest of things.

This law hasnt been passed yet either for the 30 days first offence, but its going to be 30 days then crush/sell the car on 2nd offence.

OKAY so a gathering that people attend because they have modified cars and the fans attend to see said modified cars will be disappointed if what you say is true, the modified cars wont make the event this will likely peeve the ones that go to see them because they won't be there, then there is the knock on effect next year of declining spectatorship and crumbier cars in attendance because they can "get there" but the govt will make a fortune fining car owners attempting to attend the event, the local businesses on the other hand will likely be extremely angry as the spectatorship was crap and they didn't get the additional sales from all these visitors they were expecting

[Linkachu]

Originally Posted by mrbaxr6t

OKAY so a gathering that people attend because they have modified cars and the fans attend to see said modified cars will be disappointed if what you say is true, the modified cars wont make the event this will likely peeve the ones that go to see them because they won't be there, then there is the knock on effect next year of declining spectatorship and crumbier cars in attendance because they can "get there" but the govt will make a fortune fining car owners attempting to attend the event, the local businesses on the other hand will likely be extremely angry as the spectatorship was crap and they didn't get the additional sales from all these visitors they were expecting

This is what was told to me first hand from police, it is stupid. But the Victorian Gov seems to think anyone with a modified car is a hoon and should not be on the road.

Last week 90 cars got canaried, all of them modified. Luckily i was in melb

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by Linkachu

Anyone that plans on going to easternats better leave your modified car at home.
In Benalla they are going to cut off the main bridge so there is only one way through town. Any modified car will be put off the road even for the most stupidest of things.

This law hasnt been passed yet either for the 30 days first offence, but its going to be 30 days then crush/sell the car on 2nd offence.

I fail to see how they can class modified car drivers, attending this event as hoons. I think you'll find these enthusiasts (yes, enthusiasts, not just modified car owners) will have a big "arc" up at the coppers, if they try this sort of thing on them. After all, if there not trailered to the event, they have been approved modifications made to the driven cars.

You'll also find that 99.9% of the entrants are very well behaved, because the organisers will kick out the .1% that are trouble makers. This is because of all the negative media attention bought on by the .1%.


Personally, I see this threat of putting modified cars off the road and/or crushing them as a load of poppy.

[blazingwilly]

THE Victorian Government will spend this month mapping out a timeline for the introduction of its new tough anti-hoon laws, named a top priority at the state election.

This comes as a spate of reckless driving behaviour on Wyndham roads last week shocked police, including a P-Plater clocked at 90km/h over the limit in a Wyndham Vale residential area.

The man’s car was impounded for 48 hours under anti-hoon laws.

Under the proposed law, he would have lost his car for 30 days.

Paul Price, spokesman for Crime Prevention Minister Andrew McIntosh, said the process of introducing the new laws was under way.

“The minister is in the process of receiving briefings in order to determine the legislative timetable for the introduction of tough new hoon laws,” Mr Price.

“These tough new laws will increase impoundment times, force hoon drivers to take safe driving training, and forfeit and crush the vehicles of the worst repeat offenders.”

The new changes would see an immediate 30-day vehicle impoundment for a first hoon offence and three months for a second offence.

This is tougher than the amendment proposed by the former Brumby Labor Government, which wanted a seven-day impoundment for the first offence.

A third would result in the vehicle being stripped for parts and then crushed.

Wyndham Highway Patrol detected a driver, 18, as he sped along Ballan Rd at 160km/h, 90km/h over the limit, on January 3.

Sen-Constable Matt Wilson, of the Wyndham Highway Patrol, said he was in disbelief when he sighted the speeding P-plater at 10.20pm.

He said the consequences of a crash would have been fatal.

The driver was fined $597 fine, lost eight demerit points and his licence was suspended for 12 months.

The incident capped five hours of reckless behaviour on Wyndham roads that night.

A Tarneit man, 39, was caught driving at 131km/h in a 100kmh zone along Hopkins Rd Truganina. He lost his licence for a month, was fined $328 and had four demerit points deducted.

[xisled]

Originally Posted by blazingwilly

THE Victorian Government will spend this month mapping out a timeline for the introduction of its new tough anti-hoon laws, named a top priority at the state election.

This comes as a spate of reckless driving behaviour on Wyndham roads last week shocked police, including a P-Plater clocked at 90km/h over the limit in a Wyndham Vale residential area.

The man’s car was impounded for 48 hours under anti-hoon laws.

Under the proposed law, he would have lost his car for 30 days.

Paul Price, spokesman for Crime Prevention Minister Andrew McIntosh, said the process of introducing the new laws was under way.

“The minister is in the process of receiving briefings in order to determine the legislative timetable for the introduction of tough new hoon laws,” Mr Price.

“These tough new laws will increase impoundment times, force hoon drivers to take safe driving training, and forfeit and crush the vehicles of the worst repeat offenders.”

The new changes would see an immediate 30-day vehicle impoundment for a first hoon offence and three months for a second offence.

This is tougher than the amendment proposed by the former Brumby Labor Government, which wanted a seven-day impoundment for the first offence.

A third would result in the vehicle being stripped for parts and then crushed.

Wyndham Highway Patrol detected a driver, 18, as he sped along Ballan Rd at 160km/h, 90km/h over the limit, on January 3.

Sen-Constable Matt Wilson, of the Wyndham Highway Patrol, said he was in disbelief when he sighted the speeding P-plater at 10.20pm.

He said the consequences of a crash would have been fatal.

The driver was fined $597 fine, lost eight demerit points and his licence was suspended for 12 months.

The incident capped five hours of reckless behaviour on Wyndham roads that night.

A Tarneit man, 39, was caught driving at 131km/h in a 100kmh zone along Hopkins Rd Truganina. He lost his licence for a month, was fined $328 and had four demerit points deducted.

LOL they make it sound like it was in with houses, but Ballan road is a huge road for the most of it has new estates with no houses or has only farm land around it.

Anywhere there are houses on Ballan road is a 70k zone and where there is only farm land it is a 90k zone.

Love how they say this

This comes as a spate of reckless driving behaviour on Wyndham roads last week shocked police, including a P-Plater clocked at 90km/h over the limit in a Wyndham Vale residential area.

The area he was caught in has no houses around it just farm land.
where he got caught there is nothing but farm land.

These laws are a joke, they do not do anything apart from win votes and make it look like the government is doing something.

[Streets]

Originally Posted by xisled

These laws are a joke, they do not do anything apart from win votes and make it look like the government is doing something.

The sad part is that it's working.

[zdcol71]

Originally Posted by xisled

LOL they make it sound like it was in with houses, but Ballan road is a huge road for the most of it has new estates with no houses or has only farm land around it.

Anywhere there are houses on Ballan road is a 70k zone and where there is only farm land it is a 90k zone.

Love how they say this

This comes as a spate of reckless driving behaviour on Wyndham roads last week shocked police, including a P-Plater clocked at 90km/h over the limit in a Wyndham Vale residential area.

The area he was caught in has no houses around it just farm land.
where he got caught there is nothing but farm land.

These laws are a joke, they do not do anything apart from win votes and make it look like the government is doing something.

A "P" plater, doing 180k in a 90 zone, knowing (or should be knowing unless 18 year olds really are brain dead) the consequences of doing this, and someone comes on here and seemingly defends it???
Maybe he's a CAMS licenced driver and he wasn't being "reckless" but if this isn't reckless behaviour on a public road, then I'll stand swinging!!
Question hoon laws all you like ,but some people maybe actually deserve to be dealt with as harshly as any given law can do so.
I have bitten my tongue on this type of post for the last few months but to hear someone defend this stuff because .... "The area he was caught in has no houses around it just farm land.
where he got caught there is nothing but farm land."
....do me a favour , throw the book at the clown who got caught... and throw the book at xisled when he too gets caught!!

[Halfmo Rocks]

Originally Posted by zdcol71

A "P" plater, doing 180k in a 90 zone, knowing (or should be knowing unless 18 year olds really are brain dead) the consequences of doing this, and someone comes on here and seemingly defends it???
Maybe he's a CAMS licenced driver and he wasn't being "reckless" but if this isn't reckless behaviour on a public road, then I'll stand swinging!!
Question hoon laws all you like ,but some people maybe actually deserve to be dealt with as harshly as any given law can do so.
I have bitten my tongue on this type of post for the last few months but to hear someone defend this stuff because .... "The area he was caught in has no houses around it just farm land.
where he got caught there is nothing but farm land."
....do me a favour , throw the book at the clown who got caught

+1

[grandpa_spec_F6]

Originally Posted by zdcol71

A "P" plater, doing 180k in a 90 zone, knowing (or should be knowing unless 18 year olds really are brain dead) the consequences of doing this, and someone comes on here and seemingly defends it???

This type of scenario would demand the following:

1. Future license to diplay "temporary australian citizen" on the front and back.

2. Person to pick out grave site / box for ashes within 7 days of offence.

3. Education through a registered driving school, costs paid by the offender with no criminal record, or jail time and criminal record if this is not chosen.

Just a draft idea but some parts might have some merits.

My main gripe with 'hoon' laws is they are unfairly used to target people and make both young and old car enthusiasts potential 'Cash Cows', ready to be milked.

[zdcol71]

Originally Posted by grandpa_spec_au

My main gripe with 'hoon' laws is they are unfairly used to target people and make both young and old car enthusiasts potential 'Cash Cows', ready to be milked.

I will tend to agree with you. I have become a little softer to you southerners over time, and think that you are probably being targeted very harshly for the most part, but after seeing so many of these type of scenarios, gee, one can't help but think what has to be done to get the message through to some(apparently many) people.My main gripe is that someone actually puts his(?her) hand up to defend these idiots!! That's another moron who hasn't been caught yet but is still out there ready to kill you or yours because you happen to just be driving "where it's mostly farms and not many houses!!", therefore it's OK!!

[xisled]

Originally Posted by zdcol71

A "P" plater, doing 180k in a 90 zone, knowing (or should be knowing unless 18 year olds really are brain dead) the consequences of doing this, and someone comes on here and seemingly defends it???
Maybe he's a CAMS licenced driver and he wasn't being "reckless" but if this isn't reckless behaviour on a public road, then I'll stand swinging!!
Question hoon laws all you like ,but some people maybe actually deserve to be dealt with as harshly as any given law can do so.
I have bitten my tongue on this type of post for the last few months but to hear someone defend this stuff because .... "The area he was caught in has no houses around it just farm land.
where he got caught there is nothing but farm land."
....do me a favour , throw the book at the clown who got caught... and throw the book at xisled when he too gets caught!!

I was not defending what he did. I was just making a point that the media had got it wrong. I was showing how the media blow things out. I never once said his actions were ok. How would you like it if the police came and took your car, and you had done nothing wrong. They took it because you lent your car out, to a friend or family member.

I agree with what the police did, they got a driver off the road, in a months time.

In Victoria, the police can only suspend a licence straight away, if your drunk or drug affected. So this driver is still free to drive around for month, Maybe this should be changed.

But what I do not agree with is the police taking your car because someone else has driven it in a dangerous maner. I have been through it, I gave my car to my friend so he could tow a trailer. His son during the night took the car without anyone's permission and decided to go do burnouts and get caught. My car was impounded for 48 hours. On Tuesday I had to go pick up the car from Preston (Melbourne) cost me $328. But being my car was impounded on Thursday night and Monday being a public holiday. I did not get my car back to Tuesday. The choices I had were to charge my friends son with theft, and wait for it to go through and still pick the car up on Tuesday (he is 15) or I pay the fine. I paid the fine, and got the car back, I did not charge my friends son as, him going to court and facing a magistrate was enough of a punishment.

Please re read my post and tell me where I say it is ok for him to speed.

My whole point was about the article and how they got some of the facts wrong.