First drive review of Mustang PP2

[Bossxr8]

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/we-ge...-fast-package/

Positioned between the PP1 (which is pretty much what our GT's are) and the GT350, it's US $6500 option over a base GT (which we don't get).

From all reports it's closer in lap times to the Shelby than it is the base GT. Manual only.

[White SW]

Very nice Beastie it is, I love the 19" wheels, would look very nice on my BA.

[Bossxr8]

305's all round

[XByoot]

While they are at it can they do a real turbo six?

https://www.whichcar.com.au/features...ra-sweet-dream

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by XByoot

While they are at it can they do a real turbo six?

https://www.whichcar.com.au/features...ra-sweet-dream

Well obviously if they were inclined they would use the 3.5 V6 from the F150 Raptor. But the 2018 Mustang has dropped the V6 completely.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by XByoot

While they are at it can they do a real turbo six?

Why?
The aspirational Mustang has always been a V8.
The 6 was sold for CAFE reasons, its place now taken by the EB4.

[XByoot]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Why?
The aspirational Mustang has always been a V8.
The 6 was sold for CAFE reasons, its place now taken by the EB4.

Why? Personal choice. Why do with 8 if you only need a 6? The Stang was always about cheap and cheerful bang for buck , I’d pay that over “having to have” that big ol 5.0 “just because”.

The Turbo six Barra would be a great power plant in there in my opinion. I’ve driven a 5.0 and it was OK, I’d rather a Barra with a good bottom end punch. That 5.0 is a very big lump of engine for 450 or so HP. Aspirational or not times change. Will it happen, of course not, but in my opinion it would work nicely. Relatively simple power plant, cheap to manufacture, bang for buck and would shake up an LS pretty easy.

[pauljh74]

Originally Posted by XByoot

Why? Personal choice. Why do with 8 if you only need a 6? The Stang was always about cheap and cheerful bang for buck , I’d pay that over “having to have” that big ol 5.0 “just because”.

The Turbo six Barra would be a great power plant in there in my opinion. I’ve driven a 5.0 and it was OK, I’d rather a Barra with a good bottom end punch. That 5.0 is a very big lump of engine for 450 or so HP. Aspirational or not times change. Will it happen, of course not, but in my opinion it would work nicely. Relatively simple power plant, cheap to manufacture, bang for buck and would shake up an LS pretty easy.

Considering they only sold the Barra 6 here and is no longer produced, it's not going to happen. It will only be a variant of one of the Ecoboost engines or nothing. You have to admit that part of the character of the Mustang is the V8 and the sound it makes and a good part of why a Mustang GT has the V8. To can the Mustang V8 will only result in a loss of sales to Camaro and Challenger V8 models in their primary market.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by XByoot

Why? Personal choice. Why do with 8 if you only need a 6? The Stang was always about cheap and cheerful bang for buck , I’d pay that over “having to have” that big ol 5.0 “just because”.

The Turbo six Barra would be a great power plant in there in my opinion. I’ve driven a 5.0 and it was OK, I’d rather a Barra with a good bottom end punch. That 5.0 is a very big lump of engine for 450 or so HP. Aspirational or not times change. Will it happen, of course not, but in my opinion it would work nicely. Relatively simple power plant, cheap to manufacture, bang for buck and would shake up an LS pretty easy.

Well both your reasons for wanting the 6 should be mitigated by the fact that: 1. the weight difference between the two engines is marginal at best (Around 201-203kg dry weight on both); and 2. The turbo 6 is more expensive to produce. Now you would also lose the advantage of economy of scale, so now both options add cost.
Lincoln is producing its own version, and I’m sure it will offer a turbo 6. That said, you wanted it to be cheaper, but that’s not going to happen. Just be a man, get the GT and get a supercharger! 😄

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by XByoot

Why? Personal choice. Why do with 8 if you only need a 6? The Stang was always about cheap and cheerful bang for buck , I’d pay that over “having to have” that big ol 5.0 “just because”.

The Turbo six Barra would be a great power plant in there in my opinion. I’ve driven a 5.0 and it was OK, I’d rather a Barra with a good bottom end punch. That 5.0 is a very big lump of engine for 450 or so HP. Aspirational or not times change. Will it happen, of course not, but in my opinion it would work nicely. Relatively simple power plant, cheap to manufacture, bang for buck and would shake up an LS pretty easy.

Cylinder argument aside, why would you choose an I6 Barra over the V6 Ecoboost?

Talking about Bottom end punch. The 3.5 Ecoboost annihilates the Barra for Torque.

[chevypower]

Also it looks like your FG 4.0 non turbo dry weight is 195 kg. Not sure what the weight of a turbo and intercooler are, but we are already within 6 Kg of the 460 hp 5.0 that revs to 7,500rpm. Not sure what kind of weight savings you were expecting between a 4.0 with a cast iron block and an aluminum 5.0.

[FPV8U]

Is this package coming to Australia?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

Is this package coming to Australia?

No word on it yet. But interestingly it's an option over there, not a new model. They have 3 variants of the GT, the base GT, the PP1 which is pretty similar in spec to what we get and then PP2.

I doubt it though.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

No word on it yet. But interestingly it's an option over there, not a new model. They have 3 variants of the GT, the base GT, the PP1 which is pretty similar in spec to what we get and then PP2.

I doubt it though.

Considering we don’t get the GT350 (or the upcoming GT500) over here this package would comfortably fill that step up FPV/HSV market spot that’s currently quite empty.

[jpd80]

PP2 plus Bullitt engine tune would be a great package.

[chrisandsharon]

Love my 6s hence the F6 in the garage. I dunno though - personally a Mustang with an 8 is like bangers and mash, they just compliment each other and are legendary on the road and on the plate. Take the mash away and put pumpkin with it and it just ain’t the same
Some things are just meant to be.......

[Vesper Martini]

Actually there is a more powerful version in the Ford GT

The GT is Ford's most powerful production car yet, sporting outputs of 482kW of power and 746Nm of torque from its 3.5-litre twin-turbo V6, which helps it reach an intimidating top speed of 346km/h.

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-new...onfirmed-51475

(PS I didn't know this myself till I looked it up this morning)

[solarite_guy]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Actually there is a more powerful version in the Ford GT

The GT is Ford's most powerful production car yet, sporting outputs of 482kW of power and 746Nm of torque from its 3.5-litre twin-turbo V6, which helps it reach an intimidating top speed of 346km/h.

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-new...onfirmed-51475

(PS I didn't know this myself till I looked it up this morning)

Some are even a little more special than others:
(P.S. Check out that ATI Damper. The only damper)

[bangm001]

Nice package, is it comin to Oz??????