NSW Road Rules

Shaggzy · 26-11-2007, 12:25 AM

As we all know Summernats is on in a couple of months and i will be attending and will be driving up with couple of mates.

Now i have a Victorian learners permit and when i go over the border into NSW do i have to go by there stupid 70 or 80 km/h learners speed limit? or can i carry along my way at 100 - 110 out on the highways?

Does the P1 speed limit also apply to me when i go back in a few months to another event after i will have my Victorian P's?

I am bit confused by all this as i have been told by some people i have to abide by VIC rules and others say i have to go by NSW rules. Can anybody clear this up for me. Thanks

devilcv8 · 26-11-2007, 07:15 AM

Best thing to do is check with vicroads and ask them. BUT you drive according to your license conditions or the road rules and with regard to speed whichever is the lowest.
As the NSW L and P are license conditions include lower speed limits etc, then you do not need to abide by them, although be prepared to be pulled over and have to argue your case with cops who don't know the difference.

MITCHAY · 26-11-2007, 07:27 AM

I always drove at 100km/h when I was on my Ls in NSW and I'm from ACT. Never got pulled over even numerous people said I was meant to only do 90km/h.

XR8 Uterous · 26-11-2007, 07:39 AM

I always thought you stick to the laws from your own state? I cant drive Dads GT here becaue of the restrictions and i asked if i could drive it in the ACT as they dont have any and was told no, stick to the laws from your state as it is what the conditions are on your licence.

05MkIIFutura · 26-11-2007, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by EL XR6

I always thought you stick to the laws from your own state?

So that means that people from ACT can legally have some whacky tobacco in NSW and just say "its legal in Canberra" - ha ha NO

You have to abide by the laws of the state you are in. I wouldnt suggest breaking your licence conditions no matter which state you are in anyway.

deesun · 26-11-2007, 08:43 AM

I think you abide by the laws of the state which you are in. I have never understood why a learner, no matter how old or how many hours they have up, is allowed to travel at 100/110. Learning is just that, taking things easy at first and gaining experience. Sorry just my opinion. I would have thuoght it be the opinion of most here on a responsible forum. I know about the speed differential thing but its up to the " responsible " teacher to decide if its too busy and you are holding up the traffic or not.

MotherNatureVer2 · 26-11-2007, 09:24 AM

I had to check on this recently when my eldest came down from QLD to NSW.

You do have to abide by NSW speed laws is the bottom line answer.

80k's for 'L' Plates
90k's for 'P' plates (red)

troppo · 26-11-2007, 10:37 AM

A passport is not a ticket to go to other countries and ignore their laws in favour of your own. Likewise, a licence is not a ticket to go to other states and do the same.

No matter what licence you hold, you abide by the laws of whichever state you're in at the time, otherwise I should be allowed to do 130 on any open road because I can here.

Simply put, local state regulations come first.
With licences where conditions/endorsements are attached, the local regulations are applied first.
The interstate conditions are appiled second.

This means that if a VIC P-plater is allowed to do 100 in Vic and goes to NSW where P-platers are restriced to 80, the VIC P-plater can only drive at 80 while in NSW.

Conversely, if a NSW P-plater goes to VIC, they are still only allowed to drive at 80 while in VIC, even though the VIC laws allow P-platers to drive up to 100, because of the NSW licence condition.

Shaggzy · 26-11-2007, 11:36 AM

So i take it i have to go by NSW rules while im there but il doule check with VICROADS before i go. Thanks for the help

**GasoLane** · 26-11-2007, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BMX_datto

So i take it i have to go by NSW rules while im there but il doule check with VICROADS before i go. Thanks for the help

Forget Vicroads, they know VIC laws. Ring a NSW Highway Patrol office. (Albury HP would be a good start as they have both sides right there)

From what i've heard on my scanner Vic P platers have to obey the speed limit from they're home state (much to the annoyance of NSW P platers)

I also dont see why it's a "stupid 70 or 80 km/h learners speed limit?". Your learning remember, IE: you dont know how to do it properly yet.

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Originally Posted by troppo

This means that if a VIC P-plater is allowed to do 100 in Vic and goes to NSW where P-platers are restriced to 80, the VIC P-plater can only drive at 80 while in NSW.

Conversely, if a NSW P-plater goes to VIC, they are still only allowed to drive at 80 while in VIC, even though the VIC laws allow P-platers to drive up to 100, because of the NSW licence condition.

...HUH?

troppo · 26-11-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GasOLane

...HUH?

In the first case, local regulations apply. P-plate limit in NSW is 80...no matter where you're from.

In the second case, local regulations first...no problem there. But when the interstate conditions are applied, the condition says 80 is the max for all NSW P-plate licence holders, no matter where you are driving, so it overrides the local law.

Disclaimer: I've assumed 80 and 100 are the respective P-plate limits, the actual figures are irrelevant.

brodfloyd · 26-11-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by troppo

In the first case, local regulations apply. P-plate limit in NSW is 80...no matter where you're from.

In the second case, local regulations first...no problem there. But when the interstate conditions are applied, the condition says 80 is the max for all NSW P-plate licence holders, no matter where you are driving, so it overrides the local law.

Disclaimer: I've assumed 80 and 100 are the respective P-plate limits, the actual figures are irrelevant.

So if local regulations apply first, then driving in Victoria on a NSW P's should enable you to do whatever the speed limit is if they were driving in victoria as the rules for Victorian P platers prevail as they are the local rules???

you dont know the rules either

you cant have it both ways

fmc351 · 26-11-2007, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by brodfloyd

So if local regulations apply first, then driving in Victoria on a NSW P's should enable you to do whatever the speed limit is if they were driving in victoria as the rules for Victorian P platers prevail as they are the local rules???

you dont know the rules either

you cant have it both ways

Yes you can have it both ways.

Note:
All restrictions of your licence apply.

Which ever restiction is tightest, apply that.

brodfloyd · 26-11-2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by troppo

In the first case, local regulations apply. P-plate limit in NSW is 80...no matter where you're from.

In the second case, local regulations first...no problem there. But when the interstate conditions are applied, the condition says 80 is the max for all NSW P-plate licence holders, no matter where you are driving, so it overrides the local law.

Disclaimer: I've assumed 80 and 100 are the respective P-plate limits, the actual figures are irrelevant.

he was wrong too. shows there are many interpretations of the laws regarding learners and probabtionary drivers.

troppo · 26-11-2007, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by brodfloyd

he was wrong too. shows there are many interpretations of the laws regarding learners and probabtionary drivers.

Yes I was. But I stand by what I said on the local regulations being applied first, followed by conditions of the licence issuing authority. In this case, NSW has none, so by default the conditions revert back to those imposed by VICRoads.

fmc351 · 26-11-2007, 01:05 PM

You can almost bet, that when there are two sets of rules to choose, ie: Vic and NSW, you will have to comply with the most restrictive of them. Any restrictions in the state youre are driving in will apply to you. Additionally, any further restriction your own state places on you still apply too. Obey every restriction basically.

Troppo got it dead right.

kyro_02 · 26-11-2007, 01:39 PM

are NSW red p platers restricted to 100 or 110kph?

**GasoLane** · 26-11-2007, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kyro_02

are NSW red p platers restricted to 100 or 110kph?

Neither....90.

Falcon_Phill · 26-11-2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GasOLane

Neither....90.

Yep. And we aaaaall do 90

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**GasoLane** · 26-11-2007, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon_Phill

Yep. And we aaaaall do 90

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Well your car (in the avatar) will have the speedo in MPH. So.....

Falcon_Phill · 26-11-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GasOLane

Well your car (in the avatar) will have the speedo in MPH. So.....

That actually got me out of a ticket once, even though someone on here said it wouldn't. That and a polite smile.

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MotherNatureVer2 · 26-11-2007, 01:48 PM

NSW Red P Platers are restricted to 90kph

brodfloyd · 26-11-2007, 03:16 PM

so following this absurd logic, if at 17 you can get your P's in NSW then you shouldnt be allowed to drive at all in Vic where the age is 18.

The conditons of your learners permit which you are accredited for allow you to drive at the speed limit and road rules for your state. You cant pick and choose which parts of which states driving law's you want to follow. Its the rules of the state you have your licence from.

The kids i went to school with lived in NSW and went to school in Vic, they were 17 and had to drive at 80 in vic because that was the conditions of their licence. When i was (im from vic) on my p's at 18 i drove around NSW at 110 no problems.

Dont listen to these blokes, they are nowhere. Its the conditions of your states licence, otherwise you would have to be tested on other states road laws on your l's and p's. and you would have to know 6 states worth of road rules just incase.

none of you who have commented are under 35 for sure, or if you are you are a wowser

MotherNatureVer2 · 26-11-2007, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by brodfloyd

none of you who have commented are under 35 for sure, or if you are you are a wowser

Indeed I am over 35. I now have a 17yr old son on his red P plates in QLD and a 16yr old daughter who has in the last week got her 'L' plates.

I investigated this exact topic in August when my son came to NSW. It is the NSW law for certain drivers to do certain speeds and this is and will be upheld if picked up by a NSW police officer ( As quoted by a NSW police officer to me ..... When in Rome do as the Romans do ........ )

**GasoLane** · 26-11-2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by brodfloyd

Dont listen to these blokes, they are nowhere. Its the conditions of your states licence, otherwise you would have to be tested on other states road laws on your l's and p's. and you would have to know 6 states worth of road rules just incase.

Ah ya gotta love that... "dont listen to anyone else, I'm the one who knows"

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Originally Posted by brodfloyd

none of you who have commented are under 35 for sure, or if you are you are a wowser

WTF does that mean?

(methinks you should back off on the red cordial)

fmc351 · 26-11-2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GasOLane

Ah ya gotta love that... "dont listen to anyone else, I'm the one who knows"

WTF does that mean?

It means once youre 35, youre no longer thinking with your *&^%.

Oh how wrong he is.

naughtyfalcon · 26-11-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by brodfloyd

none of you who have commented are under 35 for sure, or if you are you are a wowser

so what has this got to do with the price of fish ?

i am 39 big deal i still have an active mind and keep up to date with changes unlike some of the know all teenies we have around here.

just remember ome of us here had our L's and P's before some of you were an itch in your daddies ball sack.

I've had my licence for 19 years, which include riders (11 years) and class MR(13 years).
i drive fire trucks to accidents which contain the mangled bodies of know all teenies and boy racers who think they know it all like you do.

i have more road experience than you and yet you seem to know all that needs to be known,,its good to live in fairy land.

troppo · 26-11-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by brodfloyd

Dont listen to these blokes, they are nowhere. Its the conditions of your states licence, otherwise you would have to be tested on other states road laws on your l's and p's. and you would have to know 6 states worth of road rules just incase.

none of you who have commented are under 35 for sure, or if you are you are a wowser

You aren't allowed to drive in NSW just because you have a VIC licence. You are allowed to drive in NSW because the relevant NSW authority has given you some credit for having a VIC licence and will graciously allow you to use it while in NSW, providing you abide by NSW laws while there. The same goes for all the other state authorities.

If that were not the case, then yes, you would have to get 6 different licences to drive around the country. In years past it was not uncommon for truckies in particular to hold 3 or 4 different state licences until regulations came in preventing the issue of a licence in more than one state. In those days, you could lose your VIC licence and still drive around on your NSW one. This is one of the reasons why a person can only hold a licence in one state at a time.

Edit: yes I am over 35, remind me why that matters?

brodfloyd · 26-11-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by troppo

You aren't allowed to drive in NSW just because you have a VIC licence. You are allowed to drive in NSW because the relevant NSW authority has given you some credit for having a VIC licence and will graciously allow you to use it while in NSW, providing you abide by NSW laws while there. The same goes for all the other state authorities.

If that were not the case, then yes, you would have to get 6 different licences to drive around the country. In years past it was not uncommon for truckies in particular to hold 3 or 4 different state licences until regulations came in preventing the issue of a licence in more than one state. In those days, you could lose your VIC licence and still drive around on your NSW one. This is one of the reasons why a person can only hold a licence in one state at a time.

Edit: yes I am over 35, remind me why that matters?

the only thing that matters about your post is "in years past",

The Vicroads learners handbook says nothing about it. im sure if it was law, we would be tested and informed of it. The police arent "out to get you"

NSW may be going to pass a law, but they havent, so its irrelevant.

You must lose the ability to cop playful putdowns past the age of 35, never seen so many defensive retorts.

naughtyfalcon · 26-11-2007, 03:54 PM

i hate to bust your bubbles but the nsw government will be passing laws makeing all L and p plate holders abide by nsw road rules,,