New "King of the Hill" Corvette

[T3ts50]

Just found this on Carsales. Sounds pretty damn good.

All hail the king ... new supercharged Corvette will be the fastest to wear the illustrious badge


The storming 7.0-litre Chevrolet Corvette Z06 is about to be dethroned as the fastest production 'Vette by a long-awaited "King of the Hill" version, rumours of which have been circulating for several years.

Although it's been referred to by the motoring press as the "Blue Devil" and "SS" over the past five years, the official nomenclature for the imminent flagship Corvette is 'ZR1' -- a designation that hasn't been seen since the C4-based original was discontinued in 1995.

The newcomer will debut at the upcoming Detroit motor show and US sources are speculating it will cost circa-$100,000 in its homeland.

For this outlay, you'll get a monstrous coupe that has the on-paper credentials to hold its own against Ferraris and Lamborghinis -- and we're talking the range-topping versions.

As with any go-faster Corvette, the piece de resistance of the ZR1 is its engine. The 1990s iteration of the ZR1 used a Lotus-designed quad-cam, 32-valve small-block V8 (dubbed LT5), but the latest incarnation stays true to the familiar Chevy V8 configuration of a single cam and pushrod-operated valves.

No matter, though, because the new 6.2-litre engine (rather than the 7.0-litre LS7 unit of the Z06) is bolstered by an Eaton supercharger and is likely to thump out way more power and torque than any production 'Vette to date.

No official figures have as yet been released because the engine calibration is still being finessed, but insiders suggest the LS9 (as it's known) will dump 460kW-plus on the tar -- almost 100kW up on the already stupefying Z06.

The Carsales network has driven the Z06 and can confirm that it's mind-blowingly quick in a straight line, but its gearbox and handling dynamics are somewhat agricultural.

The ZR1 is unlikely to dramatically change that, but it should have the straight-line stonk to match or see off virtually any other production car -- short of the Bugatti Veyron.

That said, GM product guru Bob Lutz has gone on record as saying the objective wasn't just to build the fastest Corvette of all time, but also to create a vehicle that's docile around town. To this end, it's likely to be more user-friendly than the noisy, harsh-riding Z06.

Even though the supercharger (which sits in the valley of the V8) is topped by an intercooler, the ZR1's bonnet is only about 25mm higher than that of the Z06 as the engine has been lowered to compensate for its increased height. There's also a transparent lexan 'window' in the bonnet, through which the LS9 is partially visible.

Other visual clues that distinguish the ZR1 include a carbon-fibre roof (a la BMW M3 and M6) and front splitter. There's also a pair of vents in the front guards (rather than the single vent of lesser Corvettes).

Of course, the mandatory huge brakes are in evidence, and the multi-spoked rims are 19-inchers.

We await the ZR1's Nurburgring lap times. Can it come close to the 7min 38sec mark posted by the new Nissan GTR? Time will tell...

[Jack91]

Originally Posted by T3ts50

Just found this on Carsales. Sounds pretty damn good.

All hail the king ... new supercharged Corvette will be the fastest to wear the illustrious badge


The storming 7.0-litre Chevrolet Corvette Z06 is about to be dethroned as the fastest production 'Vette by a long-awaited "King of the Hill" version, rumours of which have been circulating for several years.

Although it's been referred to by the motoring press as the "Blue Devil" and "SS" over the past five years, the official nomenclature for the imminent flagship Corvette is 'ZR1' -- a designation that hasn't been seen since the C4-based original was discontinued in 1995.

The newcomer will debut at the upcoming Detroit motor show and US sources are speculating it will cost circa-$100,000 in its homeland.

For this outlay, you'll get a monstrous coupe that has the on-paper credentials to hold its own against Ferraris and Lamborghinis -- and we're talking the range-topping versions.

As with any go-faster Corvette, the piece de resistance of the ZR1 is its engine. The 1990s iteration of the ZR1 used a Lotus-designed quad-cam, 32-valve small-block V8 (dubbed LT5), but the latest incarnation stays true to the familiar Chevy V8 configuration of a single cam and pushrod-operated valves.

No matter, though, because the new 6.2-litre engine (rather than the 7.0-litre LS7 unit of the Z06) is bolstered by an Eaton supercharger and is likely to thump out way more power and torque than any production 'Vette to date.

No official figures have as yet been released because the engine calibration is still being finessed, but insiders suggest the LS9 (as it's known) will dump 460kW-plus on the tar -- almost 100kW up on the already stupefying Z06.

The Carsales network has driven the Z06 and can confirm that it's mind-blowingly quick in a straight line, but its gearbox and handling dynamics are somewhat agricultural.

The ZR1 is unlikely to dramatically change that, but it should have the straight-line stonk to match or see off virtually any other production car -- short of the Bugatti Veyron.

That said, GM product guru Bob Lutz has gone on record as saying the objective wasn't just to build the fastest Corvette of all time, but also to create a vehicle that's docile around town. To this end, it's likely to be more user-friendly than the noisy, harsh-riding Z06.

Even though the supercharger (which sits in the valley of the V8) is topped by an intercooler, the ZR1's bonnet is only about 25mm higher than that of the Z06 as the engine has been lowered to compensate for its increased height. There's also a transparent lexan 'window' in the bonnet, through which the LS9 is partially visible.

Other visual clues that distinguish the ZR1 include a carbon-fibre roof (a la BMW M3 and M6) and front splitter. There's also a pair of vents in the front guards (rather than the single vent of lesser Corvettes).

Of course, the mandatory huge brakes are in evidence, and the multi-spoked rims are 19-inchers.

We await the ZR1's Nurburgring lap times. Can it come close to the 7min 38sec mark posted by the new Nissan GTR? Time will tell...

460RWKW!!!???. And it wont be long until we see this "LS9" in the HSV series, developing almost the same amount.

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by 93_eb_fairmont

460RWKW!!!???. And it wont be long until we see this "LS9" in the HSV series, developing almost the same amount.

Its not 460rwkW. The GenIV LS9 produces 620hp and 595ftlbs... that's 463kW and 806Nm - at the engine. No car manufacturer has ever, ever released 'rear wheel,' or 'at the wheels,' power figures because of the extreme inaccuracy of such measurements. All factory manufacturer ratings are at the crank.

The ZR-1 is 3350lbs... 1523kg. So its just over 100kg heavier then the 3120lb (1418kg) 377kW 637Nm Z06.

[T3ts50]

HSV wouldnt need to import that motor. Walkinshaw Performance already install superchargers to customer cars. He could do that at a fraction of the cost it would take to bring the LS9 here.

[CAT600]

Originally Posted by T3ts50

HSV wouldnt need to import that motor. Walkinshaw Performance already install superchargers to customer cars. He could do that at a fraction of the cost it would take to bring the LS9 here.

Agreed, however, it poses it's own dilemma:

The impending LS9 will make it easier (both financially and morally) for HSV to import the LS7 to be fitted to a "GTS-R"

WAKE UP FORD!

Damn, feels good to say that, I might just put that in my sig.

Daniel

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by T3ts50

The storming 7.0-litre Chevrolet Corvette Z06 is about to be dethroned as the fastest production 'Vette by a long-awaited "King of the Hill" version, rumours of which have been circulating for several years.

Oh dang. I thought that this thread was about me… Well, back to sellin’ propane.

[Ghiadude]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Oh dang. I thought that this thread was about me… Well, back to sellin’ propane.

...and propane accessories

it should be seriously fast though. Be interesting to see how its received in europe as GMH is normally seen as second class...

[ea90gl]

I think half the reason this things being made is to combat the corvettes rival the dodge viper (which i'd take anytime of the day). John hennesey mods vipers that run high 9's down the strip and are american street legal which is a fair effort. Yes there are plenty of quick vettes but they will never match the viper in terms of all out straight line speed

[GSfalcon500]

Originally Posted by ea90gl

I think half the reason this things being made is to combat the corvettes rival the dodge viper (which i'd take anytime of the day). John hennesey mods vipers that run high 9's down the strip and are american street legal which is a fair effort. Yes there are plenty of quick vettes but they will never match the viper in terms of all out straight line speed

And to combat the skyline that is going on sale in USA soon.

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by GSfalcon500

And to combat the skyline that is going on sale in USA soon.

What Skyline? The Infiniti G35 (Nissan Skyline V35). Or do you mean the Nissan GT-R, which is not a Skyline.

The GT-R is a Corvette Z06 competitor.

Just looking at the specs...

US Price $70,000
3.8 TT V6 353kW 588Nm
0-60mph 3.3
0-1/4 11.6
194mph

Z06...

US Price $72,795
7.0 V8 377kW 637Nm
0-60mph 3.5
0-1/4 11.5
198mph

The ZR-1...

US Price $100,000~
6.2 V8 S/C 463kW 806Nm
0-60 - ??
0-1/4 - ??
220mph projected

Somehow I think its way out of the GT-R's league both price and performance wise.

Originally Posted by ea90gl

I think half the reason this things being made is to combat the corvettes rival the dodge viper (which i'd take anytime of the day). John hennesey mods vipers that run high 9's down the strip and are american street legal which is a fair effort. Yes there are plenty of quick vettes but they will never match the viper in terms of all out straight line speed

Really?

http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/L...te_Twin-Turbo/

2001 Lingenfelter 427TT (based on the C5 Corvette Z06)
7.0 V8 TT 802hp 866ftlbs, 3340lbs, 0-60 2.0, 0-1/4 8.9 @ 153, 240mph top speed. And it can do things those silly Vipers can't do like drive on the street regularly and turn.

http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/L...tion_Corvette/

There's their current C6 Corvette. LPE Commemorative Edition.

http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/L...Corvette_ZR-1/

There's their C4 'Vette, based on the old ZR-1 with the crappy LT5.

Then of course there's this old goodie...

http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/C...mmer_Corvette/

1988 Callaway Sledgehammer Corvette.

5.7litre V8 Twin Turbo (Gen1 SBC, this is a pre-LT1 C4) with 880hp and 772ftlbs at 3761lbs. To 60mph in 3.9, to 100mph in 9.4 and on to 254mph of top speed.

I seriously doubt useless straight line bullets that can't do anything are the point of the new ZR-1. Rather, its offering Carrera GT and Enzo levels of performance (and it probably will, just like the Z06 is in 911 Turbo and F430 territory) for a quarter of the price if not less. Its not out to be a bullet that can't turn, its out to be a proper sports car.

[2002auxr6]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Oh dang. I thought that this thread was about me… Well, back to sellin’ propane.

that was the first thing i thought when i read the title as well

[Cobra]

I'd like to say that the time of 7:38 for the GTR around nurburgring can not be fairly compared to most other street car lap times. It was recorded from bridge to gantry which is over 1km shorter than the full nordschleife 20.6km and said to remove around 30 seconds from a lap. It it's defence it also raced on a wet track.

When you factor in these things, it's not fair to say that a GTR is faster than X amount of cars based on such a lap time when clearly it was tested in a totally different conditions to most others it's being compared against. I'll be keen to see some independent testing of the GTR to see where it's really at.

Weighing in at 1740kg I think the GTR would struggle to beat a 1400kg Z06 on just about any race track. Until the V-spec comes out I dont think the GTR will be able to keep pace with a Z06 let alone the ZR1. As Steffo says the ZR1 will probably take on the likes of the Carerra GT, Enzo and many other high end supercars.

[GT-E]

Originally Posted by Cobra

I'd like to say that the time of 7:38 for the GTR around nurburgring can not be fairly compared to most other street car lap times. It was recorded from bridge to gantry which is over 1km shorter than the full nordschleife 20.6km and said to remove around 30 seconds from a lap. It it's defence it also raced on a wet track.

When you factor in these things, it's not fair to say that a GTR is faster than X amount of cars based on such a lap time when clearly it was tested in a totally different conditions to most others it's being compared against. I'll be keen to see some independent testing of the GTR to see where it's really at.

Weighing in at 1740kg I think the GTR would struggle to beat a 1400kg Z06 on just about any race track. Until the V-spec comes out I dont think the GTR will be able to keep pace with a Z06 let alone the ZR1. As Steffo says the ZR1 will probably take on the likes of the Carerra GT, Enzo and many other high end supercars.

As part of the circuit is public road and cannot be raced on, this start and stop areas for timings is recognised as the only way to time a lap on the current circuit configuration.
If you think Nissan did not time this correctly, then think again, all car makers use the same marks.
Next you will be claiming they used slicks.
I would put money on a GTR beating the ZR1 around most race tracks as it requires more than horsepower to win a race.
I guess we will all know soon enough, when both cars are released in the USA.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by ZapXR6T

I would put money on a GTR beating the ZR1 around most race tracks as it requires more than horsepower to win a race.

Like brakes?

"Filling the wheel arches are larger wheels and tires, 19 x 10 in the front and 20 x 12 at the rear. The ZR1 sports forged wheels shod with custom Michelin Pilot Sport tires, size 285/30R-19 front and 335/25R-20 rear. Inside the wheels are the largest carbon-ceramic brakes to come standard on any car — massive 15.5-in. Brembos in front and 15.0 in. at the rear. To support the extra loads generated, larger bearings are used. If you could get them, the brakes, wheels and tires would be expensive bolt-on modifications to a Z06. An interesting tidbit: The front rotors are the same as those on a Ferrari FXX and the rears are off the front of an Enzo! The rotors are nearly identical to those on a Bugatti Veyron and optional on a Ferrari 599. Mammoth pads encased in the monobloc calipers double the surface area of those of a current Z06 and if used only on the street will likely last the lifetime of the car. If you do wear them out, a sensor molded into the pads alerts you via a dash indicator. Starting with the ZR1, Bosch components replace Delphi-sourced brake parts, a trend that continues with all 2009 Corvettes."

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by ZapXR6T

I would put money on a GTR beating the ZR1 around most race tracks as it requires more than horsepower to win a race.
I guess we will all know soon enough, when both cars are released in the USA.

That's about as likely as a Gazelle calf winning a one on one fight with a fully grown adult Lion.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by ZapXR6T

As part of the circuit is public road and cannot be raced on, this start and stop areas for timings is recognised as the only way to time a lap on the current circuit configuration.
If you think Nissan did not time this correctly, then think again, all car makers use the same marks.
Next you will be claiming they used slicks.
I would put money on a GTR beating the ZR1 around most race tracks as it requires more than horsepower to win a race.
I guess we will all know soon enough, when both cars are released in the USA.

There are many inconsistencies with the claimed 7:38 time for the GTR including the exact specifications of the tyres, whether it was a pre production model, where it offically started and ended the timing of it's lap and so forth. Check out this link, follow the relevent links including the youtube video and make up your own mind...

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...5&sort=&page=0

[Cobra]

The Viper isn't just a straight line animal. The extremely wide tyres do help though. In a recent motor trend (i think) article the new 600hp SRT-10 Viper did a better lap times than both the C6 Z06 and the Ford GT. The SRT-10 ACR may also provide some good competition for the ZR1.

[ea90gl]

Originally Posted by Cobra

The Viper isn't just a straight line animal. The extremely wide tyres do help though. In a recent motor trend (i think) article the new 600hp SRT-10 Viper did a better lap times than both the C6 Z06 and the Ford GT. The SRT-10 ACR may also provide some good competition for the ZR1.

yeah it wouldnt surprise me, the early vipers huge let down was the shocking brakes which made it awful for track racing but they have since improved that long time ago and now the end result just shows what they can do and they will only get better. Dodge didnt make the viper to get stomped on by the corvette, im sure whatever chev bring out its only a matter of time before dodge lifts there game.

[bangm001]

Id still rather be in a viper than a vette despite all of its ergonomic flaws.. And im sure all vipers feel the same, I dont think they are even competition for each other, especially the first models.. My cuz owns a 97 RT10 here and all I can say is that it handles and brakes harder than ill ever push it, and i drive a f6 daily. Plus going sideways with 345 rubber i think it is in 2nd gear at over 100km/hr is pretty mad, and thats just with a cat back and chip.. Makes just over 500 horsies..

[ea90gl]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...81.html?page=1

heres the link with the 4 car supercar test, makes some interesting reading. love how they say the viper runs a 12.1 with traction issues, goes sideways till third gear, you gotta love torque. it also beats them all around the track

[CAT600]

Apart form Steffo, does anybody realize what the ZR1, codenamed "Blue Devil" was always ever about?

Crushing everything.

This car was not built to keep up with Ford GT, Viper, Lambo, GT3 and Superamerica's. The Z06 does that at the moment.

The ZR1 was always about keeping up with, and obviously aiming to beat, Carrera GT, Enzo, and any other million dollar mega-exotic that sticks it's head up on the way through.

The GTR will be a much better road car, but will fail to the ZR1 on the track (Rain notwithstanding).

The next Viper will produce a good base to build a car from to match the ZR1, but at the moment, nothing looks like holding a candle to it.

Ford, bring back the GT for '09. PLEASE!

Daniel

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by ea90gl

ok mate for starters no one said the ZR1 isnt impressive so no need to get uptight, secondly why mention the corvettes are dominating Le mans then go on to say Lemans cars are irrevelant? Doesnt matter if they are or not the point is these things handle and are based on the factory cars in the Lemans class they run in. Thirdly seeing as the C6 is the standard vette and the Z06 is if you will the "big brother", why compare the Z06 to the base Viper SRT-10? Havnt you heard of the GTS-R? or the ACR Viper?

The GTS-R Viper is the old shape Viper with the 8.0litre 450hp 490ftlb V10. The Viper SRT-10 is the only and top range of the new shape Viper, with the 8.3litre V10 at 500/525, then 510/525 and now newly updated at 8.4L and 600hp/560ftlbs. Comparing the GTS-R to the C6 Z06 would be very retarded, akin to comparing an EL GT to a VE GTS. Doesn't make sense. Do you even know anything about the Vipers you're defending?

The Viper SRT-10 is the direct Corvette Z06 competitor. The regular Corvette does not have a rival from Dodge.

Originally Posted by ea90gl

These are the ones you compare the Z06 too not the SRT-10, compare apples with apples here. As stated in the text, the ACR is lighter, has bigger brakes and has more lateral grip than the regular Viper which all adds up to lower tracks times garaunteed. And please, enough of the money debate as that is the least of worries when we are talking about performance of cars and what they are capable of, we're not considering buying any of them so price has nothing to do with anything. There are many reasons the viper is more expensive, and at the end of the day the viper has more aftermarket potential than the vette which is just an added bonus.

What makes me laugh abit is the fact you put down the viper saying its overpriced, doesnt handle and is just a straight line car but the very car you seem to worship and use to back up the vette is the sledgehammer:

The ACR isn't a Z06 competitor, wasn't intended to be, never will be. It is more aligned with the ZR-1. The Viper is overpriced and like it or not, money does come into play when comparing the cars.

Also I don't worship the Sledgehammer, I use a 19 year old car with a 40 year old engine as an example of Corvette's straight line ability being equal to the Viper's... which it is.

Originally Posted by ea90gl

$400,000? 65.6 mph slalom? 60-0mph in 122ft? 0.98G skidpad is the only half decent aspect, as well as the top speed (lack of downforce on the dinosaur probably helped alot). In fact i take back what i say, after doing research its not impressive as you'd first think. This car was purpose built to get the highest possible top speed, im sure as hell if you purposely modified any other high performance factory car without focusing on any other aspect of the car you would definately be doing 400Kays in hour

Its still a C4 Corvette, which had a mid 80s debut. Its a 1980s car. It was good in the 1980s. Oh, and skidpad times are pretty irrelevant at comparing handling capability, just FYI.

Its a 19 year old car with 880hp 772ftlbs doing 254mph. You showed me a current car with 1000hp 1100ftlbs doing 255mph in an effort to impress me. You failed. All that and an extra mile per hour? Not to mention being equally as incapable at properly tackling a good set of twisties.

Your argument doesn't make sense. You want me to compare a 2006 Corvette Z06 to an old, outdated Viper and then want me to compare a 2005 Corvette C6 to a new Viper at double the price that is aimed at the Z06. Then you want me to compare their new ZR-1 rival to the Z06? Make up your mind! Or better yet, compare the cars as they're supposed to be.

You want me to be in awe of the supposed unbelievable straight line ability of a 255mph Viper with 1000hp 1100ftlbs yet don't seem to understand my point when showing you an 880hp 772ftlb Corvette that's nearly two decades old and is just 1mph off that Viper's speed. Epic fail there on your behalf.

So what have you proven? That you don't know how to pay attention, and don't know much about the Vipers you're defending. Yay at you. :

[Bossxr8]

Why do you constantly feel the need to ruin threads by crapping on about things that have little or no releveance to the original thread?

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Why do you constantly feel the need to ruin threads by crapping on about things that have little or no releveance to the original thread?

Its called debate and discussion. If you don't want to see it happen, perhaps a discussion forum is not for you? :

[Sourbastard]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Why do you constantly feel the need to ruin threads by crapping on about things that have little or no releveance to the original thread?

He comes from a mythical place where rich uncles drive italian sports cars while running a taxi empire, guarding the enchanted library of Motor Magazine periodicals from the great barbarian horde. He visits our world once a day, and sometimes get stuck.

Back through the effing wardrobe mister tumnas! Back to Motoria!

[Disciple]

Originally Posted by sourbastard

He comes from a mythical place where rich uncles drive italian sports cars while running a taxi empire, guarding the enchanted library of Motor Magazine periodicals from the great barbarian horde. He visits our world once a day, and sometimes get stuck.

Back through the effing wardrobe mister tumnas! Back to Motoria!

[CAT600]

Originally Posted by sourbastard

He comes from a mythical place where rich uncles drive italian sports cars while running a taxi empire, guarding the enchanted library of Motor Magazine periodicals from the great barbarian horde. He visits our world once a day, and sometimes get stuck.

Back through the effing wardrobe mister tumnas! Back to Motoria!

To know all that stuff is very twisted of you

LMFAO

Daniel

[ea90gl]

yeah no offense to steffo here but you seem to be a bit on the fruity side, you sound to me like most girls sound like when they're having an argument - making up things and always jumping to the wrong conclusion, then going on to mock other people. Firstly you call it borderline retarded to compare different cars from different eras, then go on to compare the 80's vette to a current hennesy viper? wtf? then you try tell us the ACR is just a competitor to the ZR-1, but for ages dodge has made models above the standard viper. Just since it comes out now doesnt mean it aimed at the ZR-1. Then you try make it sound I'm trying to impress you? Mate i dont try impress fellow forum members i dont even know the name of, just showing you what the viper is capable of and how a tuner has made one to perform much better than standard. Then you go on to say a certain car has no handling cababilties when you have absolutely no proof whatso ever, thats like me saying the 2009 corvette will brake like crap. Then on top of that you go on making me sound like I want a million different models compared? I think thats a product of your own thinking there. Then on top of all that, going on and on like you know every tiny detail and have so much smarts try tell me a car with 200HP more than another isnt the best because it only has a 1MP top speed? FYI at them speeds you need plenty of power to get a few MPH out of the car, its alot different going from 255-256 then 55-56MPH. Aerodynamics plays a huge part and after 20 years I'm sure the Viper produces a lot more downforce than the sledgehammer. Why do you think F1 cars with all that power and little weight can't crack 400Kays? Too much downforce.

Long story short, there have been no epic failures here, I have proven lots of things which you seem too stubborn to understand, and I have made perfect sense which you seem to try be making me sound like I havnt, and sorry to upset you and the love affair you have with the corvette. I think its time we both stop this and let it be

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by sourbastard

He comes from a mythical place where rich uncles drive italian sports cars while running a taxi empire, guarding the enchanted library of Motor Magazine periodicals from the great barbarian horde. He visits our world once a day, and sometimes get stuck.

Back through the effing wardrobe mister tumnas! Back to Motoria!

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by ea90gl

Firstly you call it borderline retarded to compare different cars from different eras, then go on to compare the 80's vette to a current hennesy viper? wtf?

There was a point. You were raving on about how good that Hennessey Viper was because it could do 255mph. The fact that a 19 year old car with older technology can get within 1 mph of it with 120hp less power and 328ftlbs less torque shows just how good it isn't in comparison. Obviously even that, old, Corvette is aerodynamically superior to the new Viper if it can do similar things on less power.

Originally Posted by ea90gl

then you try tell us the ACR is just a competitor to the ZR-1, but for ages dodge has made models above the standard viper. Just since it comes out now doesnt mean it aimed at the ZR-1.

The new ACR Viper is aimed at the ZR-1. Car manufacturers in direct competition with one and other don't release new, faster variants at the same time as the other is just by coincidence.

Originally Posted by ea90gl

Then you go on to say a certain car has no handling cababilties when you have absolutely no proof whatso ever, thats like me saying the 2009 corvette will brake like crap.

So dozens of consistantly slower lap times on various circuits around the globe does not prove beyond reasonable doubt that the Viper SRT-10 was inferior to the C6 Z06? I see. What do you consider proof then?

Originally Posted by ea90gl

Then on top of that you go on making me sound like I want a million different models compared? I think thats a product of your own thinking there.

You tried to backpedal into saying the Viper SRT-10 was a C6 Corvette Z51 competitor (it wasn't, never was, never will be) and that the C6 Z06 should compare to a fabled Viper GTS-R, which was an 8.0 V10 production car in 1999 that's slower then a C6 Z06 and was a 500hp 8.0 V10 concept car in 2002 that lead to the production of the 500hp 8.3 V10 SRT-10. So don't try to spin it around on me. You backed out of comparing the SRT-10 to the Z06 when it was proven inferior.

Originally Posted by ea90gl

Then on top of all that, going on and on like you know every tiny detail and have so much smarts try tell me a car with 200HP more than another isnt the best because it only has a 1MP top speed? FYI at them speeds you need plenty of power to get a few MPH out of the car, its alot different going from 255-256 then 55-56MPH. Aerodynamics plays a huge part and after 20 years I'm sure the Viper produces a lot more downforce than the sledgehammer. Why do you think F1 cars with all that power and little weight can't crack 400Kays? Too much downforce.

Yes I am well aware of the aerodynamics involved in chasing maximum speeds. But your own argument backfires on you there and just gives the Corvette that little bit more superiority over its Dodge competitor. Since a 19 year old car with less power can do virtually the same speed (254.76mph) as a current car with more power... that would then make said 19 year old car aerodynamically superior to the new car it is being compared to. Points go Corvette's way.

Originally Posted by ea90gl

Long story short, there have been no epic failures here, I have proven lots of things which you seem too stubborn to understand, and I have made perfect sense which you seem to try be making me sound like I havnt, and sorry to upset you and the love affair you have with the corvette. I think its time we both stop this and let it be

Love affair I have with the Corvette? : :

If you think that I have some sort of love affair with the Corvette then you're sadly mistaken. I am one of the biggest anti-Corvette proponents around. In several threads on this forum alone I have many times over argued its inferiority over the Ford GT, 911 Turbo, F430 and Gallardo. I loathe the car.

However I do have a love affair with fact. And fact is, the Z06 is superior to the 2003-2006 SRT-10 in almost every possible way.

What's really interesting is that this whole conversation started over the "point," and/or "orientation," if you will, of the new ZR-1.