Another young life needlessly lost.

[mongoose00]

A friend of mine... A car full of friends.

He was showing off his new WRX by doing 160kmph in a 60 zone and ended up locking up the brakes and going backwards into a stobie pole. Now one of his mates are dead, another in intensive care and the other three with minor injuries.

Driver walked away and doesn't know Dimmi is dead yet

Story here.

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/s...006301,00.html

When will young people learn that there is a time and place for everything! They are not playing with their own lives but others as well!

Tom (ducati119) was also in the car. He was sitting in the front passenger seat and walked away with minor injuries.

[Sprint347]

A car full of 19 year olds in a WRX + Macdonalds carpark + Thursday night = recipe for disaster

Condolenses to the family

[Fev]

thats terrible.. he deserves whatever he gets!


RIP to Dimmi and i hope everyone else recovers swiftly

[mongoose00]

Originally Posted by Fev

thats terrible.. he deserves whatever he gets!

That was my first thought. But everyone got into that car knowing full well why they were getting into the car. I feel sorry for the driver (who I will not name) as I know him and I know how hard he was trying to fit in with that group. Peer pressure can do so much.

[V3RSAC3]

Originally Posted by mongoose00

That was my first thought. But everyone got into that car knowing full well why they were getting into the car. I feel sorry for the driver (who I will not name) as I know him and I know how hard he was trying to fit in with that group. Peer pressure can do so much.

You going to the funeral?

[Nostalgia]

Originally Posted by mongoose00

That was my first thought. But everyone got into that car knowing full well why they were getting into the car. I feel sorry for the driver (who I will not name) as I know him and I know how hard he was trying to fit in with that group. Peer pressure can do so much.

So does he fit into that group now that he has taken away a innocent life ?

If you feel sorry for the driver then i'm sorry to say, you're days are also numbered.

You obviously have the same attitude if you feel sorry for him.

To be a driver brings with it many responsibilitie's, if you cant fulfill them, don't get behind the wheel. The road is no place for a wanna be hero.

Let's hope they get the driver and put him away for a long time.

My condolence's to the family and friend's of the innocent victim.

Grow up mongoose00 and learn something from this ferchristsakes.

Adam.

[V3RSAC3]

Originally Posted by Nostalgia

So does he fit into that group now that he has taken away a innocent life ?

If you feel sorry for the driver then i'm sorry to say, you're days are also numbered.

You obviously have the same attitude if you feel sorry for him.

Grow up mongoose00 and learn something from this ferchristsakes.

Adam.

?? Loosen up mate! Theres no need to take it out on Mongoose! Who are you to bring it out on that group? It wasn't them who made him speed! Peer Pressure? I knew Dimitri from soccer, and im telling you right now that there is noway dimi was in the back egging him on! And as for fitting into that group? They've lost a great friend. The rest of us are just lucky that no one else got into that car, cuz there would be even more to cry about!!

It is completly the drivers fault for what happened, yeah he was a f* tool, but knowing that he killed a mate will haunt him for the rest of his life!

I think this is punishment enough!

[Nostalgia]

Sorry but i took mongoose's post the wrong way. He obviously meant Dimmi was trying to fit into the group, i thought he meant the driver. Read the post and im sure it isnt worded correctly.

Sorry.

I do apologise.

Adam.

[DDXR6T]

Originally Posted by V3RSAC3

They've lost a great friend. The rest of us are just lucky that no one else got into that car, cuz there would be even more to cry about!!

Well, there were 5 people in the car and I doubt it could fit any more. The driver is now ultimately the one who has to recognise his error and have to live his life with a mates death on his shoulders.

True - The people getting into the car may have been pressuring him, but it was the drivers responsibility to see the possible outcome of a 140km/h joyride with 5 people in the car. Making excuses as to why the driver did it does not matter. He is an adult, who should have made adult decisions and now - the law will lay adult consequences amongst him.

RIP to the dead, what a sad way to go.

[ten[A]cio[U]s]

Two thread above this was a thread titled "'Speeding Laws in NSW too harsh', says minister "... Its not really irony.. but thats not right.

Bloody shame.. 160km in a 60 zone.. What the bloody hell was he thinking..

With passengers too.. WTF!

[TadKa]

Originally Posted by crazy-au

Two thread above this was a thread titled "'Speeding Laws in NSW too harsh', says minister "... Its not really irony.. but thats not right.

Bloody shame.. 160km in a 60 zone.. What the bloody hell was he thinking..

With passengers too.. WTF!

I know what you mean but 1 idiot doing 160 in a 60 zone is different than your everyday motorist terrified of creeping 3k over the limit.

It's very sad that one bad decision can affect so many lives.

Condolences.

- Steve

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by crazy-au

Two thread above this was a thread titled "'Speeding Laws in NSW too harsh', says minister "... Its not really irony.. but thats not right.

Totally different issue.

When it comes to the driver of the WRX, there’s no law that will stop them, only the grey matter (or lack of it) between their ears. Cops can’t be everywhere.

Some people quite simply don’t understand that actions have consequences. If this tool is the type that enjoys driving his car full of people in this way at 19, I doubt whether anything will get through to him.

Condolences to the deceased’s family.

[uranium_death]

To be part of a group, you should not have to show off...

People should accept you for who you are, not what you have.
Fundamental point of friendship, family, and love.

A sad story that will be constantly repeated by others.

[Hillbilly F Truck]

I thought i saw a similar story in a qld paper. Silver wrx 150 ks. Happened at Gold Coast. Don't know the outcome of that one. Young people placing too much confidence in the safety of modern vehicles maybe. Very sad regardless.

[XR6_661]

RIP to the deceased.

As for the driver. What an idiot.

[blueoval]

this is terrible. My thoughts got out to Dimmi's family

[krt10]

people who speed with others in their car are just not thinking. now he had the burden of knowing he killed on of his mates. he will have to live with that for the rest of his life.

10 seconds of glory. not this time

[StookEB]

I'll never feel sorry for people who act like that to fit in, they obviously dont know anything about friendship.

I feel sorry for the family of the guy killed, nobody else. The passengers would have known the type of situation they were getting into (an unexperienced driver in a powerful car). The driver deserves what he gets and maybe more.

I realise some poeple will say knowing that he killed a mate is punishment enough. I actually dissagree. I grew up with people who like to show off (like we all do most of the time) but luckily nobody died, but a few cars were written off over the years.


I'm sorry if this sounds cold hearted but its how I feel. I have alot of emotion (anger) to let out over a certain tragedy.

[Hunter]

Ten bucks says the driver gets disqualified from driving for only 3 years, gets a fine and no conviction. IMO he should do time, about a year ought to be enough time for him to think about what he did. Its really crap how drivers who do these things are the ones who walk away rather than those who were merely in the car and not in control of it...

[Whitey-AMG]

It's funny how the more we hear about these things, the more I feel like ZERO Tolerance is the answer.

SOCIETY as a whole should stand up and scream that WE"VE HAD ENOUGH OF OUR ROADS BECOMING MOBILE CEMETERIES..............WE'VE HAD ENOUGH.

Wouldn't it be great, if we could collectively all band together and it became accepted that if we saw something like this brewing we could as a group perform a citizens arrest.........get these ignorant people off the road and GET THEM SOME HELP.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by ESP

It's funny how the more we hear about these things, the more I feel like ZERO Tolerance is the answer.

SOCIETY as a whole should stand up and scream that WE"VE HAD ENOUGH OF OUR ROADS BECOMING MOBILE CEMETERIES..............WE'VE HAD ENOUGH.

Wouldn't it be great, if we could collectively all band together and it became accepted that if we saw something like this brewing we could as a group perform a citizens arrest.........get these ignorant people off the road and GET THEM SOME HELP.

Unfortunately vigilantism is not the answer. People die. It is not good but that is life.

The only way to prevent deaths on the road is to ban roads and cars. While there are human beings behind the wheel people will die in road accidents. People died when cars could only do 60km/h flat out, nothing is simple.

And really that last thing YOU want is for mob inspired anti car hysteria, after all there is no reason why anyone NEEDS a V8 or turbo falcon except for hooning is there? You can tow your boat/caravan/trailer with a 4 cylinder diesel.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by flappist

Unfortunately vigilantism is not the answer. People die. It is not good but that is life.

The only way to prevent deaths on the road is to ban roads and cars. While there are human beings behind the wheel people will die in road accidents. People died when cars could only do 60km/h flat out, nothing is simple.

A vigilante is a person who ignores due process of law and enacts
his own form of justice.

That is not what I'm suggesting.......My point was that socitey in general needs to adopt via the law a zero tolerance approach to these sorts of acts.

Citizens arrest complies with this :

• A person who is NOT a police officer may, without warrant, arrest another person if he or she believes on reasonable grounds that the other person is committing or has just committed an offence.

Originally Posted by flappist

And really that last thing YOU want is for mob inspired anti car hysteria, after all there is no reason why anyone NEEDS a V8 or turbo falcon except for hooning is there? You can tow your boat/caravan/trailer with a 4 cylinder diesel.

You've missed my point entirely ( but I'm sure you were being facetious ):

I have no idea why you empahasised the YOU ???????.........but the zero tolerance should be based on actions and not based on the type of car they drive......as you are suggesting.

The longer society debates about the issue instead of acting with one or more harsh initiatives tempered with some sort of long term educational program the longer these sorts of needless deaths will continue. FFS........drivers tests should be conducted over a week of full on intensive driver training / testing and strict examination with a minimum pass mark of 95% FOR EACH COMPETENCY. It takes more effort and interrogation to get a refund at K Mart than it does to get your drivers license.

Sure you're not going to SOLVE the issue........but any dramatic reduction in the road toll is good...........all life is valuable so every life rescued from a needless death is a success in my book.

None of us should tolerate that sort of behaviour..........as fellow road users.....it could be one of us or one of our family that gets T Boned by one of these drivers.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by ESP

A vigilante is a person who ignores due process of law and enacts
his own form of justice.

That is not what I'm suggesting.......My point was that socitey in general needs to adopt via the law a zero tolerance approach to these sorts of acts.

Citizens arrest complies with this :

• A person who is NOT a police officer may, without warrant, arrest another person if he or she believes on reasonable grounds that the other person is committing or has just committed an offence.

You've missed my point entirely ( but I'm sure you were being facetious ):

I have no idea why you empahasised the YOU ???????.........but the zero tolerance should be based on actions and not based on the type of car they drive......as you are suggesting.

The longer society debates about the issue instead of acting with one or more harsh initiatives tempered with some sort of long term educational program the longer these sorts of needless deaths will continue. FFS........drivers tests should be conducted over a week of full on intensive driver training / testing and strict examination with a minimum pass mark of 95% FOR EACH COMPETENCY. It takes more effort and interrogation to get a refund at K Mart than it does to get your drivers license.

Sure you're not going to SOLVE the issue........but any dramatic reduction in the road toll is good...........all life is valuable so every life rescued from a needless death is a success in my book.

None of us should tolerate that sort of behaviour..........as fellow road users.....it could be one of us or one of our family that gets T Boned by one of these drivers.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vigilante

Funny, they don't agree with you.


Citizen arrest is an american term, this is Australia. There are some sections of the criminal code in specific circumstances where it is lawful to restrain a person but these are not common and definitely do not apply to the traffic act. If you and some of your mates "arrest" a person for say doing burnouts at maccas it will be you and your mates who end up on serious charges not the burnoutee.


If you want to be a savior of the free world, get off the internet forum and get involved in a political party or study law (not by watching CSI Miami) and get admitted because right now you are very wrong.


With regard to the mob law. People have commited many attrocities by mistake thinking they are doing the right thing. Terrorists actually believe they are freedom fighters upholding some law or higher purpose.


As far as zero tollerance. Do you want your car confiscated by a mob because one of your wheels lost traction in some oil or water on the road and then chirped. No excuses or reasons in zero tollerance.


No going off half cocked like you did when you misunderstood my "drunk car" a few weeks ago, no mistakes in zero tollerance.


No second chance when your highly illegally modified car (you have ensured by engineering standards that all your modded vehicles still comply with euro3 or whatever haven't you?) is checked and fails compliance.



ZERO tollerance is ZERO tollerance. If you really want to see how well it works go to Myanmar, North Korea or half of Africa.

[Pete from Port]

Unfortunately went to a lot of fatals years ago. Re people living with the guilt forever etc ...my experience is that most of the drivers will convince themselves it was not their fault in short order. I don't mean manufactured excuses to beat charges. I think it is some sort of mental defence mechanism at work. Quickest one was a double fatality at Richmond Rd and Grange Ave Schofields about thirty years ago. The female driver who ran the stop sign got really stroppy about an hour later because her car was siezed for a look. These days in NSW there is such a thing as the Spiegelman directive (Mr Justice Spiegelman Chief Justiceof NSW) which states that a driver who causes death by dangerous/intoxicated/negligent driving should be sentenced to not less than three years gaol. However as Hunter points out it does not always happen.

[snappy]

High Performance car and a p plater thats the problem I know this could happen in any other car but i doubt that the bunch of blokes would be going come on man lets see how fast your magna is .
Unfortunately the wrx was to quick for the people involved doing 140-160 kmph in that car is very easy to do .
1 life gone and 4 lives destroyed . My heart goes out to every one involved including the driver for being so dumb to cause this.

[MITCHAY]

I bought my WRX when I was on my Ps and IMO the car is only as dangerous as the driver. The guilt would be endless and I'd hate to live with that on my conscious.

[customEL]

im on my green P's and even i think thats stupidity at its finest and yes there is a time and a place i have rolled a vehicle trying to swerve a kangaroos that blind sighted me i walked away fine but i thought to myself that scared the crap out of me why would you want to put 4 other people through that

[5L]

this used to be the local hoon spot for when i first got my license. it was only about 2 blocks from my school. and the carpark used to be filled on friday and saturday nights with people doing burnouts and other stupid stuff in it. it is all innocent until someone gets hurt.

unfortunately no matter how many times it gets said, or how many lives end short. there will always be someone whos luck runs out. i know when i got my license i thought i was invincible and nothing would ever happen to me. hearing about one of my friends whom i went to school with and then attending the funeral was one of the most heart wrenching times of my life.

i feel for the family, and for the driver of the car. for the rest of his life he has to live with the fact that he has killed someone. the way to fix the problem is not by banning high proformance cars, hell i could do 160km/h in my ford escort. but proper driving training should be required to obtain a license. fix the problem of low proformance drivers first.

[Bucknaked]

It's time they made the laws tougher. Time to introduce the LAMS scheme for learner drivers. This should be the penalty once their break the law, so they know, they get only 1 chance, and they break it, then they are going to go through several years of motoring pain. It won't stop all P Platers, but it might just make them think twice before taking the lives of their passengers into their own hands, a responsibility that they are obviously not ready for.

So they get their P's under the same methods they do now, but as soon as they are caught speeding or breaking the law, then it's onto the scheme.

Things like

Nothing over 1.6 litre.
No passengers
Restricted to driving during certain times of the day.
Have to go through 5 stages of testing (1 test at the end of 12 months) before being allowed to obtain a full licence. So this means after 12 months of driving they have to sit a test, if they fail, then an extra year is added onto of their restriction process.
A different colour P Plate attached to the car to warn other motorists of the dangers that this P-Plater is to society

If they get to this stage, then they only have themselves to blame.

[GT0132]

Originally Posted by TXR

So they get their P's under the same methods they do now, but as soon as they are caught speeding or breaking the law, then it's onto the scheme.

Things like

Nothing over 1.6 litre.
No passengers
Restricted to driving during certain times of the day.
Have to go through 5 stages of testing (1 test at the end of 12 months) before being allowed to obtain a full licence. So this means after 12 months of driving they have to sit a test, if they fail, then an extra year is added onto of their restriction process.
A different colour P Plate attached to the car to warn other motorists of the dangers that this P-Plater is to society

If they get to this stage, then they only have themselves to blame.

Valet tune (with slight modification) uploaded from the CAPA Flash Tuner until P's are over