Euro 4 compliance is here?

[HSE2]

It would seem that Ford has decided to get Euro 4 compliance into some products ahead of time.

Customers of the Territory in N/A form can expect to see Euro 4 engine certification on all new SY MK2 Territories from August production.

[ltd]

That's brilliant, what changes though have they made to the engine to achieve this?

[galaxy xr8]

Look's like they have been working hard on this, considering not to long ago the I6 was not going to meet Euro 4.

[Smoke Pursuit]

That is very odd considering its the old BF motor still... Why would you waste the money getting it compliant when you are implementing a new motor across the range just before Euro 4 cut off next year?

Seems to me they may have been caught out in releasing the MKII Territory outside the timing and have had to bring it up to Euro 4 spec to save face.

[partsguy]

Maybe the wagon will also meet EURO 4 spec and be saved too, same motor after all....

[HSE2]

Originally Posted by partsguy

Maybe the wagon will also meet EURO 4 spec and be saved too, same motor after all....

now there is a thought

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by partsguy

Maybe the wagon will also meet EURO 4 spec and be saved too, same motor after all....

Problem is most wagons sold are E Gas, and E Gas will definately not pass Euro 4, hence the switch to LI for next year.

So Ford will still need to engineer it for the different engine if they want to continue with it, as well as the 5 speed auto cause the 4 speed is most likely finished too. Not too much effort required but R&D costs Vs sales will decide wether it happens or not.

Petrol engine could be made Euro 4 like the Territory as its practically the same, but fleets want LPG, not petrol, and LPG is the volume seller.

[Fairlane]

Ill bet Euro 4 for Tezza means the end of the 4 speed BTR box as well. Not just about passing Euro 4 with the engine they will be worried about the tailpipe emission number.

The old BF3 Wagon i reckon is stuffed, they keep building them until next year and then will cease, unless the Mondeo wagon completely flops which I highly doubt their will be no FG Wagon even if they are ready to tool one up.

Strange they didnt not try Euro 4 on the FG first but I guess they are pandering to few big fleet orders for Tezza worried about emission numbers, especially considering there is no lpg one. Whereas 99% of BF3's would be E-gas.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Fairlane

Ill bet Euro 4 for Tezza means the end of the 4 speed BTR box as well. Not just about passing Euro 4 with the engine they will be worried about the tailpipe emission number.

The old BF3 Wagon i reckon is stuffed, they keep building them until next year and then will cease, unless the Mondeo wagon completely flops which I highly doubt their will be no FG Wagon even if they are ready to tool one up.

Strange they didnt not try Euro 4 on the FG first but I guess they are pandering to few big fleet orders for Tezza worried about emission numbers, especially considering there is no lpg one. Whereas 99% of BF3's would be E-gas.

Doubt it....

Theres an underlying issue here, its too sudden...

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

Doubt it....

Theres an underlying issue here, its too sudden...

Fuel Economy Improvement?

[Road_Warrior]

Hrrm, interesting. Does this mean that certain products have been brought forward, or is the change so small (on the back of the recent calibration changes) it really was a no-brainer to do it? Perhaps they're trying to take some of the shine off the 3.0 SIDI Commodore when it is released...

[Swordsman88]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Hrrm, interesting. Does this mean that certain products have been brought forward, or is the change so small (on the back of the recent calibration changes) it really was a no-brainer to do it? Perhaps they're trying to take some of the shine off the 3.0 SIDI Commodore when it is released...

hmm, maybe maybe _2:

[MAD]

Maybe Ford are just holding on to stuff like this so they can constantly one-up the opposition.

[phillyc]

Originally Posted by MAD

Maybe Ford are just holding on to stuff like this so they can constantly one-up the opposition.

Like that idea!

[JPFS1]

I would think it has allot to do with rolling out certain updates in certain models within time frames and within allocated budgets.

Makes going to HQ for future funding easier when they've been able to implement new programs on older budgets. Makes future progams look cheaper

Could be where they introduce Territory Titanium???? ;)

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by JPFS1

Could be where they introduce Territory Titanium???? ;)

O rly

I can't see why not, they're rolling out other limited-run value packs so a Territory one is certainly do-able and will sell well.

[JPFS1]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

O rly

I can't see why not, they're rolling out other limited-run value packs so a Territory one is certainly do-able and will sell well.

yep, well they've just snapped up the name, so they're thinking of it at least.

GT-H is a recent addition to their trademarks also.

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by JPFS1

GT-H is a recent addition to their trademarks also.

Now you will be starting something with that comment,

[HSE2]

Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

Now you will be starting something with that comment,

The HO trade mark was first re registered in 2002 and will expire in 2012.

GT- H was originally placed in 2008 and has been upgraded in status by the sounds of it.

Not that we want this sort of distraction.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by JPFS1

yep, well they've just snapped up the name, so they're thinking of it at least.

GT-H is a recent addition to their trademarks also.

Is it Territory Titanium or just the Titanium Brand? Because they just released the Mondeo Titanium?

[partsguy]

Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

Is it Territory Titanium or just the Titanium Brand? Because they just released the Mondeo Titanium?

You may have noticed the Territory is the only 'Ghia' these days, it is only a matter of time before it becomes a Titanium....

[JPFS1]

Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

Is it Territory Titanium or just the Titanium Brand? Because they just released the Mondeo Titanium?

The first bit..

[Road_Warrior]

Territory G6E perhaps...hrrm dunno about that one.

[Mr Brooksy]

Does this mean that the Alloy block for the I6 is shelved again? If the BF designed I6 in the Terry can be recalibrated to meet Euro 4 then, I guess we dont get the alloy?

Or was there never going to be an alloy block to help meet Euro 4?

Im confused.

[Road_Warrior]

There was never going to be an alloy block for E4, the changes to meet E4 certification involved ECU and injector calibration, and catalytic converter changes, that was all.

[Mr Brooksy]

Oh thanks for clearing that up Road Warrior... Trust me to believe too much on here...

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by HSE2

It would seem that Ford has decided to get Euro 4 compliance into some products ahead of time.

Customers of the Territory in N/A form can expect to see Euro 4 engine certification on all new SY MK2 Territories from August production.

All new products from June 08 meant they had to be Euro 4 accredited... I mean complianced... ahem.

Hence FG's release prior to that date. And Tez is "new".

Every product must be the same by next July.

The I6 is capable - without much work required - of a lot more than E4.

[gtfpv]

can somebody please explain the differances from euro3 to euro4.
thanks in advance.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

can somebody please explain the differences from euro3 to euro4.
thanks in advance.

In a nutshell its emission levels that cars must at hear to. The old level was Euro 3 and July last year was when new models needed to adhere to Euro 4 levels (more strict, naturally). By July 2010 all new cars sold need to eun euro 4 emission compliant engines.

Ford got around it by releasing the FG prior to the July so they could run euro 3 levels.

[JPFS1]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

can somebody please explain the differances from euro3 to euro4.
thanks in advance.

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