White-wall tyres defectable

ch33z1l · 21-09-2009, 10:53 AM

Hi guys,

Thought I would post a thread after another member being told by police that white-walls were a defect-able offense.

See street commodores link

http://forum.streetcommodores.com.au....php?t=8548983

Barry_v · 21-09-2009, 11:11 AM

I use tyres that have a raised ridge appropriate to paint the whitewall on. that said, there is no danger in the normal practice of grinding and painting provided its done properly. probably just a scare campaigns done by people who want to sell you "real" whitewall tyres. if not, its just a case of a cop wanting to be a bastard to a commodore bogan.

Barry_v · 21-09-2009, 11:21 AM

if you read the whole thread..

http://forum.streetcommodores.com.au...1&postcount=68

ch33z1l · 21-09-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry_v

if you read the whole thread..

http://forum.streetcommodores.com.au...1&postcount=68

Just letting you know that police are targetting it. Wouldn't be the first legal modification to attract unwanted police attention.

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...5&page=2&pp=25

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Rodp · 21-09-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ch33z1l

Just letting you know that police are targetting it. Wouldn't be the first legal modification to attract unwanted police attention.

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...5&page=2&pp=25

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What I don't understand is that it's clearly identified that grinding back the sidewall of a tyre is illegal in the very thread you put up.

Unless it's a factory whitewall tyre that has the specifications on both sides of the tyre, grinding the lettering down and painting the area white is illegal.

platinumXR · 21-09-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodp

What I don't understand is that it's clearly identified that grinding back the sidewall of a tyre is illegal in the very thread you put up.

Unless it's a factory whitewall tyre that has the specifications on both sides of the tyre, grinding the lettering down and painting the area white is illegal.

Spot on...the tyre is being modified.

The Monty · 21-09-2009, 11:28 AM

Gee whiz, damn cops. How can they defect you for grinding/sanding away your sidewall so your commodore can look fully sick. Havent they got anything better to do than to pick on people who are thining there sidewalls in the pursuit for fully sickness? What next, theyll start pickin on us for having 22's up front and 14's on the back so we cant skid anymore? OMG, morons...........

platinumXR · 21-09-2009, 11:31 AM

Well we can be thankful that a god created that forum to keep certain people of this forum.

Barry_v · 21-09-2009, 11:30 AM

i think the technicality is that if they remove the load rating/tyre sizing information when doing the whitewall that is then illegal. ive never had that problem because i pick tyres that have a spot for the whitewall.

The Monty · 21-09-2009, 11:39 AM

I was reading some of the posts, and damn they just have no idea. "My Hektik mate has a fully sick V whatever commie, does 5 seconds on the 1/4. The pigs picked him up for whitewalls, it only sits 55mm off the ground, and they didnt book him for that. Man they are stupid cuz. Hektiiiicccc. Whitewalls for life yo".

I may have changed that a little, but you get my point.

I reckon Whitewalls look horn, and as long as they are legal, and done properly, I have no gripes with them. But Grinding/ sanding your sidewall to get the paint to stick is just absurd. Thats like grinding bits off your subframs and tailshaft in the pursuit for a lighter car.

platinumXR · 21-09-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Monty

I reckon Whitewalls look horn, and as long as they are legal, and done properly, I have no gripes with them. But Grinding/ sanding your sidewall to get the paint to stick is just absurd.

True they do look horn...but IMHO only belong (or are FAR more appropriate) on cars made before 1965...

platinumXR · 21-09-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Monty

"My Hektik mate has a fully sick V whatever commie, does 5 seconds on the 1/4. The pigs picked him up for whitewalls, it only sits 55mm off the ground, and they didnt book him for that. Man they are stupid cuz. Hektiiiicccc. Whitewalls for life yo".

V3RSAC3 · 21-09-2009, 02:24 PM

Whoops...

platinumXR · 21-09-2009, 02:34 PM

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Whoops...

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V3RSAC3 · 21-09-2009, 02:38 PM

Well that's not very nice.... </3

platinumXR · 21-09-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by V3RSAC3

Well that's not very nice.... </3

V3RSAC3 · 21-09-2009, 02:47 PM

Hrmmm. And you dirve what exactly?

The Monty · 21-09-2009, 02:51 PM

I like that, looks clean. Only because its an AU though.

V3RSAC3 · 21-09-2009, 02:56 PM

Thanks. But the point is that it's pretty stupid that they are illegal. It's not doing any harm. It's not a performance mod it's just people trying to add alittle bit more class to their car without going over board.

Rodp · 21-09-2009, 03:21 PM

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Thanks. But the point is that it's pretty stupid that they are illegal. It's not doing any harm. It's not a performance mod it's just people trying to add alittle bit more class to their car without going over board.

Doesn't do it for me, yells grandpa - perhaps on a pre 70's car but whatever floats your boat.

Does the whitewalling remove the details from the tyre? If it doesn't then it's not defectable.

V3RSAC3 · 21-09-2009, 03:24 PM

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Doesn't do it for me, yells grandpa - perhaps on a pre 70's car but whatever floats your boat.

Does the whitewalling remove the details from the tyre? If it doesn't then it's not defectable.

My details are still on there. he carefully placed the grinder. So thats fantastic to know thanks

... And yeah they're not for everybody. But I couldn't do without them now. they just finish it off nicely

platinumXR · 21-09-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodp

Doesn't do it for me, yells grandpa - perhaps on a pre 70's car but whatever floats your boat.

Ditto...sorry V3RSAC3, just having a fun dig, they're not for everyone.

I see no harm if they are done properly/correctly to a safe standard.

V3RSAC3 · 21-09-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by platinumXR

Ditto...sorry V3RSAC3, just having a fun dig, they're not for everyone.

I see no harm if they are done properly/correctly to a safe standard.

LOL yeah I know :P it's all good

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burnz · 21-09-2009, 03:19 PM

a little bit of sanding/ruffing up to make the paint stick big deal.
so why arnt they defecting every car with gutter rash (rim/tire)??

Mr Hardware · 21-09-2009, 03:35 PM

Looks awesome versace. I have whitewalls on my commodore and I love em.

The Monty · 21-09-2009, 05:11 PM

I dont think you guys get it. Your grinding part of your sidewall away. How can that even be contemplated as being ok and legal?

Bucknaked · 21-09-2009, 05:21 PM

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I dont think you guys get it. Your grinding part of your sidewall away. How can that even be contemplated as being ok and legal?

Do they grind much away? I can see what your saying. The integrity of the tyre has been compromised, no matter how small it may be. I'd hate to have a blow out, and investigations conclude the grinding of the sidewall made the tyre defective causing the accident. I imagine insurance would be void. And you'll be paying for the rest of your life, then some. Might be better to buy off-the shelf whitewalls if your after that look?

geckoGT · 21-09-2009, 05:26 PM

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Do they grind much away? I can see what your saying. The integrity of the tyre has been compromised, no matter how small it may be. I'd hate to have a blow out, and investigations conclude the grinding of the sidewall made the tyre defective causing the accident. I imagine insurance would be void. And you'll be paying for the rest of your life, then some. Might be better to buy off-the shelf whitewalls if your after that look?

Absolutely, could not agree with you more.

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Sounds like really dangerous ground. Remember the police officer does not have to prove there is a defect to give you a notice. He just has to have reasonable suspicion there is a fault and the vehicle requires further investigation.

So lets say you have ground the sidewall to paint them white, all he has to do is believe this may affect the structural integrity of the tyre and load rating. He will then issue a defect notice and it is up to you to prove otherwise. Tyres fall into that large category of car components that are considered safety items. All transport departments of all states are very hard on modifications of vehicle safety equipment. It would be like sanding and roughing up your seat belts to paint them a different colour, I am sure they would frown on that too. The moment you modify the sidewall, the tyre no longer is guaranteed to comply with the international standards it was manufactured too.

This is my post from another thread that mentions this topic, relevant here too.

calais · 21-09-2009, 06:40 PM

I have actually seen how whitewalls are made first hand. If you are buying something like the BF Goodrich silvertowns that I observed in production, you will see that the original production methods involve the 'gouging' of the sidewall after it is released from the mould prior to the application of the 'porcelain white' mix to create the actual whitewall.

When the tire is moulded, BF Goodrich specifically leave a greater amount of rubber on the sidewall as not to detriment the structural integrity of the tire.

I am of the opinion, that if the portion of rubber that is being removed from the sidewall, is minimal and obviously not contributing the sidewall strength, that there is no real problem.

What is a problem, is when the 'whitewall' application is done dangerously, where the gouge channel is either too deep, or too wide. The only way to prevent this is carefully observe the operator who is conducting the operation. and to measure the depth and width exactly.

Now, In stating the above, I would also like to add, that the idea of people getting fined on the spot by a police or transport officer is absurd.

I would love to see some kind of statistical proof which details that an 'illegally' whitewalled tire contributed to either road trauma or incident.

Unfortunately what I see in this subject is a cash cow for government coffers, and very little else.

If the justification is in the name of road safety in relation to tyre condition, then maybe a little more time should be spent looking at the number of vehicles getting around on mismatched tyres, directional tyres mounted in reverse, vehicles with poor wheel alignment leading to abnormal (dangerous) wear patterns and obviously the number of vehicles with no tread left.

If we continue to vote for clowns who introduce and enforce ridiculous regulations to problems that dont exist, we are just going to have to keep dealing with such issues as car enthusiasts.

yift · 21-09-2009, 06:25 PM

the amount that is grounded would not be enough to justify that the tyre has been compromised. if you rub your tyre on a kerb the amount of rubber that is taken off from that is the same as what is taken of for white/red/blue etc walls.

the amount of people with these newage whitewalls on their cars is misiscual to the amount of people with really defectable tyres.

gone are the days where they take a virtually whole layer or rubber off your sidewall to do the colouring, that is compomising the integrity of the tyre!