Another idiot, another innocent life

uranium_death · 20-12-2009, 11:24 PM

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/car...-1225812256239

I hope this fella gets the book absolutely thrown at him.

How many times must the, "If you drink then drive, you're a bloody idiot" message be told?

Everybody knows that the two don't mix...an example needs to be made.

So the message for you all is that this Christmas, PLEASE drive safely and watch your drinks. If you wish to indulge in the ale/plonk/bubbles/ghosties, then get somebody else to drive.

Play it safe children!

Yellow_Festiva · 20-12-2009, 11:34 PM

Makes you sick.... Watched the news tonight and saw a red WRX being removed from the side of the road in pieces.

Why, oh why don't we have MINIMUM sentences for this sort of blantant disrespect for the law......

They should put this person in the general population of prison with "My selfish drunken actions killed a 6yr old" tatood across his forehead.

RSgerry · 20-12-2009, 11:45 PM

[QUOTE=Yellow_Festiva

They should put this person in the general population of prison with "My selfish drunken actions killed a 6yr old" tatood across his forehead.[/QUOTE]

best idea i have heard in ages.

China · 21-12-2009, 12:25 AM

In SA they set up massive RBT's maned by up to 15 Police test 20,000 drivers and book 100, complete waste of time those Police should be on patrol catching the drink drivers. You know the ones, the satistical 90% of drink drivers who are never stopped by a RBT

mik · 21-12-2009, 12:45 AM

i don`t know what the answer is, maybe a 0 alcahol while driveing might help, perhaps fit a breathlyzer to the ignition and blow before it will start, perhaps not, the buggers would find a way around it i guess, very sad for the 6 year olds parents.

uranium_death · 21-12-2009, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mik

i don`t know what the answer is, maybe a 0 alcahol while driveing might help, perhaps fit a breathlyzer to the ignition and blow before it will start, perhaps not, the buggers would find a way around it i guess, very sad for the 6 year olds parents.

.00 for who? This particular driver, or everybody?

Really, it makes no difference. People will be idiots regardless.

There is no simple answer this problem or our good friends; the politicians would have found an answer long ago!
I still think that we need to make examples of those who fail to follow the law. It is black and white. You drive over the limit and are caught, then you get your 'reward'.

xrford · 21-12-2009, 01:04 AM

Must be pretty thick to not only drive drunk but obviously drive like an idiot as well especially in a residential area.
Id say that even at double the legal limit most people still know the difference between right and wrong, and for those who dont should be made an example of.
Ruin your own life not someone elses......

mik · 21-12-2009, 01:16 AM

00. for everyone, i meant........... if there was an easey answer someone would have come up with it by now, i agree with your last post totally.

Scrawny · 21-12-2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mik

00. for everyone, i meant........... if there was an easey answer someone would have come up with it by now, i agree with your last post totally.

I don't think this would make any difference, the 99% of people who don't drink drive will stop drinking & the rest just don't give a toss & will keep doing it, no matter what the limit is.

Mickxr8 · 21-12-2009, 02:00 AM

hi all. i fess up. i used to drink/drive about 20 years ago.thankfully no one got hurt etc.

a good friend of mine had a few one night. about 10 years ago.

we tried to talk him out driving to no avail.

20 minutes later he was wrapped around a tree.

DOA

i was one of the pallbearers at his funeral.

might have to finish this later but FFS have a think about it ?. since that day not one beer will pass my lips if intend driving.

no smilies on this post

Bent8 · 21-12-2009, 02:50 AM

Problem is when you're smashed, all common sense flies out the window.

That's just tragic, the kids family will go through the anguish of losing their child while the driver will have to come to the realisation that he murdered a 6-year old.

There are no winners when alcohol's involved.

trippytaka · 21-12-2009, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bent8

Problem is when you're smashed, all common sense flies out the window.

Aint that the truth... I don't know what the answer is. I just hope to God these selfish mother fuc**rs never cross paths with my family or friends.

Spudz27 · 22-12-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bent8

Problem is when you're smashed, all common sense flies out the window.

That's just tragic, the kids family will go through the anguish of losing their child while the driver will have to come to the realisation that he murdered a 6-year old.

There are no winners when alcohol's involved.

I do not believe so. I can get smashed, we are talking a bottle of beam in a few hours, but I still have enough sense not to drive. My engagement party I was hammered and had the keys in my pocket, when it came time to leave I handed them to my mrs.

I feel sorry for the family and thankfully so far I have not had to attend a scene where this has happened. I hope I never have to.

Mickxr8 · 21-12-2009, 03:03 AM

too true. i still feel bad to this day but as ^ above. 6ft tall and bulletproof after a few .
about 3" tall at the funeral.

DABOSS · 21-12-2009, 10:05 AM

simple..... one bullet one kill , eye for an eye.

and may he rot in jail until he has gangreen in his balls.

Pinch · 21-12-2009, 10:12 AM

Killed by an idiot while playing in your own front yard. It simply doesn't get any more tragic than that, and increases the criminality of what this guy has done exponentially. The poor child died in their OWN YARD, not even on a road related area.

Our homes a supposed to be a safe sanctuary.

I feel incredibly for the poor family.

Now two family's lives are ruined (the victim and the criminals). All for what? A bit aof a laugh or a rush????

May the little boy rest in peace.

flappist · 21-12-2009, 10:50 AM

All the keyboard warriors arc up yet again.....

This is a tragic event but is no more or less tragec than the child who was killed by a sober driver, the adult that was killed by a drunk driver, the adult that was killed by a sober driver or the movie star that was found dead this morning.

REVENGE
EYE FOR AN EYE

Why not just kill the driver, that is fair isn't

No, the victim was a child, we need more...

The guy that sold him the grog, he is partly to blame....kill him too.
The guy that tested him for his license....kill him too.
It was a Commodore....burn down the factory and kill all the holden owners.

Mob mentality is one of the worst traits that human beings demonstrate and has been responsible for more evil and wrongfull deaths than anything else in the history of our species.

The legal system will view all the facts, not just those printed in the newspaper and will react accordingly.

The only way to stop drink driving is to ban alcohol, setting the limit to 0 would have made no difference here whatsoever.

Oh and if you think you would be safer in a place where alcohol is banned by all means go there but don't expect baxon and eggs for breakfast either....

Franco Cozzo · 21-12-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by flappist

The only way to stop drink driving is to ban alcohol, setting the limit to 0 would have made no difference here whatsoever.

Oh and if you think you would be safer in a place where alcohol is banned by all means go there but don't expect baxon and eggs for breakfast either....

Didn't America try banning alcohol in the Prohibition period in the 20s and 30s? All that did was help Al Capone and Bugsy Siegel.

I'd safely say there is no way to stop drink driving, people will still do it no matter if you ban alcohol or reduce the limit to 0.

Want to live Alcohol free? Convert to Islam and go to a middle eastern country (they probably sitll have alcohol anyways).

DABOSS · 21-12-2009, 12:18 PM

[QUOTE=flappist]All the keyboard warriors arc up yet again.....

This is a tragic event but is no more or less tragec than the child who was killed by a sober driver, the adult that was killed by a drunk driver, the adult that was killed by a sober driver or the movie star that was found dead this morning.

REVENGE
EYE FOR AN EYE

Why not just kill the driver, that is fair isn't

No, the victim was a child, we need more...

The guy that sold him the grog, he is partly to blame....kill him too.
The guy that tested him for his license....kill him too.
It was a Commodore....burn down the factory and kill all the holden owners.

sarcasm will not be tolerated...

Some posts are an expression of feelings.

auxr · 21-12-2009, 12:06 PM

Unfortunately, this tragic waste of life through the idiot actions of one person will continue.

Only way to stop the driving aspect is to fit all vehicles with an alco meter - blow over, no go.

But, this will never eventuate due to politics, cost, civil liberty groups etc, etc

flappist · 21-12-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by auxr

Unfortunately, this tragic waste of life through the idiot actions of one person will continue.

Only way to stop the driving aspect is to fit all vehicles with an alco meter - blow over, no go.

But, this will never eventuate due to politics, cost, civil liberty groups etc, etc

No even if all cars were fitted with alco meters there are many ways to circumvent them.

What you want is for human beings to not act like human beings......

Hunderds or thousands of years of evolution have made us the way we are, all other permutations died out. Trying to change humans is no different to changing earth and isn't there a lot of screaming and yelling going on in Denmark about that at the moment?

There is quite an interesting movie came out not long ago called "Invasion" with Nicole Kidman that gives an insite into a world where people no longer fight, poverty and famine are defeated and everyone gets on and is happy.

Watch it and then decide if the price for this peace tranquility and safety was too high....

auxr · 21-12-2009, 12:56 PM

[QUOTE=flappist]What you want is for human beings to not act like human beings......

Couldn't agree more - as I previously stated, an alocolock on every vehicle would not be a practical consideration due to the number of factors that would be placed in the way of enacting legislation - but hey, with all the kooky things running around parliament at the moment, some politician surely would have breeched the subject before.

Police state, speeding revenue raising cameras, nanny state mentality - don't get me wrong, I sure as ain't going down that track.

just_pazz · 21-12-2009, 12:15 PM

imagine that a world where everyone on the road would have to blow into the alcolock every five minutes.... seriously....?

Condolence to the boys family.

SB076 · 21-12-2009, 12:36 PM

I think tougher penalties would be a start - plus better education which they have started doing (I remember we were told we could have two standard drinks in the first hour and one standard dink every hour after that if I did that after a long day with little food I would be over the limit)

Think the problem with today's society is that we have become to lenient willing to listen to excuses, its not their fault they were drunk, or they have a tough life, or someone didnt love them enough. At the end of the day you need to be accountable for your own actions. In this day and age that isnt the case.

flappist · 21-12-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SB076

I think tougher penalties would be a start - plus better education which they have started doing (I remember we were told we could have two standard drinks in the first hour and one standard dink every hour after that if I did that after a long day with little food I would be over the limit)

Think the problem with today's society is that we have become to lenient willing to listen to excuses, its not their fault they were drunk, or they have a tough life, or someone didnt love them enough. At the end of the day you need to be accountable for your own actions. In this day and age that isnt the case.

You are contradicting your own arguement.

If people accepted responsibility for their action we would not need all these laws.
Why do we need a speed limit if everyone drove within their own capabilities and with relavence to the conditions.
Why do we need a BAC limit if no one drove when their skill was less than that necessary.

The whole problem is people telling other how to live their lives, always has been, always will be....

We are not all the same, we are not all equal but we are all individuals.

If the penalty for drink driving was life imprisionment it still would not work.
What would actually happen is lots of high speed runners and police officers murdered at RBTs, after all what have they got to lose..

dsyfer · 21-12-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

The whole problem is people telling other how to live their lives, always has been, always will be....

We are not all the same, we are not all equal but we are all individuals.

A lot of people do not have the capacity to even know their own limits, road rules are there to protect the "majority" of users (to the detriment of those that can and do drive safe). People (in general) like to know how fast or how slow to go, ever noticed how people slow down to the signposted recommended corner speeds, even though most are way too conservative. A 'person' is an individual, 'people' like to be led.

flappist · 21-12-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dsyfer

A lot of people do not have the capacity to even know their own limits, road rules are there to protect the "majority" of users (to the detriment of those that can and do drive safe). People (in general) like to know how fast or how slow to go, ever noticed how people slow down to the signposted recommended corner speeds, even though most are way too conservative. A 'person' is an individual, 'people' like to be led.

NO, some people like to be led, others like to lead.

People who are natural followers find it difficult to lead and make decisions.
People who are natural leaders tend to not like to follow, especially if they believe that the leader they are supposed to follow is making bad decisions.

This has nothing to do with how smart/dumb, good/bad, old/young or anything else you are.
Just like some people are night people others are morning people.
Some people can naturally navigate others can not.

Human nature.

Based on what you have written I suspect that your belief that "people" like to be led is because you are probably a natural follower and that is what you like and you are "people".

Some will agree with you, others will not.
I personally do not.
This does not make either you or me wrong, it just makes us different.

I do not believe road signs unconditionally.

If a corner sign says 50km/h I treat it exactly the same as a corner with no sign. I judge myself how fast is safe.
That is my choice as I take responsibility for my driving and the excuse "but the sign said 50 was ok" for me would not be used if doing 50 caused me to crash.

dsyfer · 21-12-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Based on what you have written I suspect that your belief that "people" like to be led is because you are probably a natural follower and that is what you like and you are "people".

I personaly don't have "beliefs", my argument was based on learning human behaviour over four years of Psychology, however, this event probably would have happened whether there were road rules or not, as the more evidence that comes out points to someone "overestimating their skills and car's ability trying to boost their ego in front of friends, as well as being ****ed", the old "my fun is more important than the rest of the world's saftey" mentality.

Quote from: http://www.news.com.au/national/poli...-1225812461165

"Police believe two men lifted the rear of the Commodore to assist in an attempted burnout.

The accused carried out a burnout down Symons Crescent, entering Crinigan Rd at between 50km/h and 80km/h, losing control of the car, police allege.

The car struck two boys standing on a footpath before going through the front fence at 94 Crinigan Rd, striking a mother and six-year-old Bangoang Tut in the front yard."

WILDTRAKPX2 · 21-12-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dsyfer

'people' like to be led.

By people who like to lead...

SB076 · 21-12-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

You are contradicting your own arguement.

If people accepted responsibility for their action we would not need all these laws.
Why do we need a speed limit if everyone drove within their own capabilities and with relavence to the conditions.
Why do we need a BAC limit if no one drove when their skill was less than that necessary.

The whole problem is people telling other how to live their lives, always has been, always will be....

We are not all the same, we are not all equal but we are all individuals.

If the penalty for drink driving was life imprisionment it still would not work.
What would actually happen is lots of high speed runners and police officers murdered at RBTs, after all what have they got to lose..

Not quite - I think we are over governed at present. I personally beleieve this driver should be charged with manslaughter in this instance (as his actions have lead to the death of another human being)

I dont agree with governments telling us how to live our lives. I do beleive certain actions can lead to consequences and people need to be aware of the consequences so thats they can make their own informed decision.

As you said we are not all the same, we are all individuals and as such we need to be held accountable for the decisions we make (as individuals)