Fatal driver was .19

**Charliewool** · 20-01-2010, 10:31 AM

The previous thread on this was closed due to it going miles off track... I do think the discovery that this guy was nearly FOUR times the limit DOES put an entire new perspective on this tragedy! Absolute lunacy, really!

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...iver-was-drunk

Fev · 20-01-2010, 10:40 AM

There isn't all that much to say about this. It's an absolute tragedy and the driver was a complete moron but it's happened. With the government just using scare tactics instead of actual education it is going to keep on happening and there is nothing we can do about it..
There's no point on another 10 pages of scit fighting over it...

XR6_661 · 20-01-2010, 10:42 AM

Mods...I'd be closing this thread reaaaaal quick.

4Vman · 20-01-2010, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by XR6_661

Mods...I'd be closing this thread reaaaaal quick.

Why? its a worthwhile subject IF it highlights and brings attention to this major issue AND helps educate young forum users in a positive manner....

XR6_661 · 20-01-2010, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Why? its a worthwhile subject IF it highlights and brings attention to this major issue AND helps educate young forum users in a positive manner....

Keyword being 'If'

Threads like this on AFF always end up going down the drain. Always.

I might just go through the old thread and quote a post on each page and it'd pretty much sum up word for word what will appear in this thread.

Read it all a thousand times in a thousand threads.

Not having a shot at you either mate...

F6T · 20-01-2010, 11:36 AM

I agree with Vman.

All I can say is that thank god he didn't crash into another innocent oncoming driver.

uranium_death · 20-01-2010, 07:12 PM

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All I can say is that thank god he didn't crash into another innocent oncoming driver.

No, it's only a tragedy that a few other people were killed...who were innocent...stupid...but innocent.

What happened to the, 'if you don't trust the driver, don't get in' message along with the 50 gazillion 'Speed Kills' and 'Drink Drive and you're a King Cockmunch' messages. How damn thick must people be?

If people after all these messages cannot learn what it means to be responsible, then the problem is not the current system.

The problem is them...and frankly, there is nothing you can do but let them kill themselves. The sad part about that along that method comes innocent lives lost.

Jason[98.EL] · 20-01-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Why? its a worthwhile subject IF it highlights and brings attention to this major issue AND helps educate young forum users in a positive manner....

+ 1
this is the sort of info that need's to be spoken about

Jason

kezzer · 20-01-2010, 10:51 AM

Make all the laws you want. It won't be stopping idiots like this, he already broke like 5 :S

max · 20-01-2010, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by charliewool

The previous thread on this was closed due to it going miles off track... I do think the discovery that this guy was nearly FOUR times the limit DOES put an entire new perspective on this tragedy! Absolute lunacy, really!

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...iver-was-drunk

Not surprised. They had departed from a party. It was near 2am. That the driver had a lot to drink stands to reason.

||| · 20-01-2010, 11:49 AM

i'm not really sure you can stop crashes like this. the type of people who would drive this drunk AND the type of people who would get in a car with someone so drunk are pretty much beyond any education plan we could offer.

**cs123** · 20-01-2010, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by |||

i'm not really sure you can stop crashes like this. the type of people who would drive this drunk AND the type of people who would get in a car with someone so drunk are pretty much beyond any education plan we could offer.

Exactly.

geckoGT · 20-01-2010, 11:51 AM

I hope the media drop the "high powered car" angle and go the "drunk driver" instead.

balthazarr · 20-01-2010, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by geckoGT

I hope the media drop the "high powered car" angle and go the "drunk driver" instead.

My views on the laws notwithstanding, with the Premier talking up toughening the 'anti-hoon' laws, hopefully any amendments made will affect drink drivers.

I'm just waiting for the calls to make alcohol interlocks mandatory on all cars...

Romulus · 20-01-2010, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by balthazarr

My views on the laws notwithstanding, with the Premier talking up toughening the 'anti-hoon' laws, hopefully any amendments made will affect drink drivers.

I'm just waiting for the calls to make alcohol interlocks mandatory on all cars...

Won't work. No amount of legislation, talk fests, koombaya singing etc will make an iota of difference to the person who believes they are invincible, or it won't happen to them.

All legislation does is make compliance harder for the average law abiding citizen. Those who don't care will disregard the laws, as has been proven in this instance. The driver was d/d, and carrying more than the maximum permissable allowed passengers due to his driving restrictions from a previous infringement.

UNR8D · 20-01-2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by geckoGT

I hope the media drop the "high powered car" angle and go the "drunk driver" instead.

couldnt agree more.

XWGT · 20-01-2010, 11:54 AM

I'm still intrigued by the "chased by gate crashers" angle and whether that will be persued or simply disregarded as a contributing factor?

geckoGT · 20-01-2010, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by XWGT

I'm still intrigued by the "chased by gate crashers" angle and whether that will be persued or simply disregarded as a contributing factor?

Considering it happened so close to a police station and no witnesses that saw the vehicle earlier reported a pursuit with another vehicle, I think it will be regarded as the BS it probably is.

Dave_Obsession · 20-01-2010, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by charliewool

The previous thread on this was closed due to it going miles off track... I do think the discovery that this guy was nearly FOUR times the limit DOES put an entire new perspective on this tragedy! Absolute lunacy, really!

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...iver-was-drunk

It will be interesting to see the alcohol readings of the passengers....if they do them....

Just knowing this makes me angry.....the lot of them are absolute morons.

The only good that can come out of this now, is hopefully, HOPEFULLY, it deters other morons from doing something similar. Not that we'll ever know...

geckoGT · 20-01-2010, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dave93761

It will be interesting to see the alcohol readings of the passengers....if they do them....

Just knowing this makes me angry.....the lot of them are absolute morons.

The only good that can come out of this now, is hopefully, HOPEFULLY, it deters other morons from doing something similar. Not that we'll ever know...

Toxicology including alcohol is often done as routine in postmortem, so probably done. I doubt they will release the info as it will be deemed not relevant. They are pretty careful to only release info that the public clearly has a right to know.

LTDHO · 20-01-2010, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by charliewool

The previous thread on this was closed due to it going miles off track... I do think the discovery that this guy was nearly FOUR times the limit DOES put an entire new perspective on this tragedy! Absolute lunacy, really!

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...iver-was-drunk

Isn't the limit for a 'P' plater zero BAC?

If he was four tiomes Zero, isn't that still zero??

Anyway, stupidity, alcohol, speed, inexperiance all make a fatal combination.

Franco Cozzo · 20-01-2010, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

Isn't the limit for a 'P' plater zero BAC?

If he was four tiomes Zero, isn't that still zero??

Anyway, stupidity, alcohol, speed, inexperiance all make a fatal combination.

You beat me to it, how many 0.0's go into .19?

THATS A HELL OF A LOT OVER THE LIMIT!! haha.

**Sorted** · 20-01-2010, 01:15 PM

You know what he means so no need to be a smart *** about it, theres a time and place for that and its not in this thread

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Despite being on his P-plates — meaning he was not allowed to drive with any alcohol in his system — Mr Johnstone's reading was almost four times the legal level allowed for a full licence.

I know some people close to this and no matter what the circumstances are about how, when and why there is still a loss of 5 young lives

4Vman · 20-01-2010, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorted

I know some people close to this and no matter what the circumstances are about how, when and why there is still a loss of 5 young lives

The circumstances of "how, when and why" is exactly the reason 5 young lives were lost.....

You can't hide behind the tragedy....

low_72 · 20-01-2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

The circumstances of "how, when and why" is exactly the reason 5 young lives were lost.....

You can't hide behind the tragedy....

It is a tragedy

.... but s h i t happens... everyone makes there own decisions in life..they made theres...i have lost some mates in my time so i know what lost feels like..

But everyone says what can we do to stop this.......Nothing... its life and we will all be grateful to wake up 2moro. Its only some cases that really pop into the media... I seen on the tv that the brother must have been a hero for saving his sister as he was over her...well with a impact like that it would have been like shaking a packet of chips and seeing how you landed.. trying to make a hero out of 5 reckless people in a car...pppffftttt

Anyhow...what about the 100000 plus people that died in haiti?

DJR David · 20-01-2010, 01:15 PM

News.com.au mentioned that he was 4 times over the full licence limit, not zero that he was subject to.

And his dopey mates have still been busted high level speeding in the same area since this horrible accident.

Besides the drastic I dont know the answer.........

Big Mike · 20-01-2010, 02:45 PM

Its a tragedy and a waste of life - BUT - all this money on "wipe off five" campaigns and "click it or ticket" campaigns, where's the actual problems lie? In education of how to handle a car at higher speeds should you have to drive like that for any reason (being chased, evading gun shots, gas pedal stuck, felt like going for a hoon, whatever) and most importantly the parents responsible for the development of their childrens brains from a very young age - and the methodology that its alright to take a risk if you think you can get away with it. Forget speeding, forget tv adds, forget harsher penalties! Simply make advanced driver training compulsary for ALL drivers regardless of age, and formulate a test where maturity and phsycological capabilities are assessed against a basic criterium of one's abilities to be in charge of a potentially lethal weapon that is a motor car, to have some level of respect for other people, roadusers, friends and families that might be impacted.

For a more indepth and un-moderated discussion, have a read here: (EDIT - I can't link directly due to the swear filter, but follow this link to page #65, then click the page #66 "Glassing ****" and scroll down to read through the Comments section - its worth the effort)
http://thingsboganslike.wordpress.co...pani-stickers/

Note the referrences to alchohol being left at the roadside memorial and the general mentality of this group of low lifes and blatant disrespect for themselves, their friends and families, even their appearance which might seam judgemental but its a good initial indication. I distinctly remember the crashed cars at school and those "shock tactics" they used, absolutely useless as THIS mob of people take it as a challenge "Oh that's bad, but I bet I can do that without crashing!"

XBROO · 20-01-2010, 02:52 PM

Like the slogan says 'If you drink and drive your a bloody idiot'

FPV8U · 20-01-2010, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by XBROO

Like the slogan says 'If you drink and drive your a bloody idiot'

+1 While the Speed was obviously a huge issue, Drink Driving has taken the toll of another 5 here..

It's a huge waste of life and despite all the media pleas, no, people won't stand up and take notice unless it has personally touched them and even then we are becoming so desensitized from regular "Nightmare" Crashes no matter what the age group of the accident that it will take quite a while to sink in and understand what just happened.

I have Friends who Drink and Drive, i have stopped from time to time (Parties at my house have a keys in cupboard rule) , but you can't protect them all the time and the same effect is here and now with people talking of their own sons and daughters you can teach them all you know, how it should be done, the do's and don'ts, but if they don't have the head on their shoulders that you think they do there is really nothing that can be done.

Nikked · 20-01-2010, 05:50 PM

In tamworth late last year there was a bloke killed after he sent a car into a pole at 140km/h.

To Remember him, they made stickers, now heaps of cars have them. And what a surprise atleast half of the blokes with the stickers still do similer stupid stuff.

Mouse in an wheel.

The bloke in victoria sounds like he was a complete moron, but his friends were in respect, stupider. Driver education needs to focus on the peer aspect, Don't hop in a car with a drunk driver etc. What i dont get is why 5 people thought it would be a cool idea to hop in the car with a bloke who would almost be stumbling, and do 160 km/h.

And to think his friends are still speeding, let alone leaving goon bags at the site.

Lunatics.