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03-02-2010, 07:07 PM | #1 | |||
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03-02-2010, 07:11 PM | #2 | ||
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Be a sad day when Hyundai outsells Ford.
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03-02-2010, 07:12 PM | #3 | ||
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Edit - never mind, was Dec 09 figures still...
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03-02-2010, 07:29 PM | #4 | ||
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The top ten selling cars for the month were: Holden Commodore (3241), Mazda3 (3223), Toyota Hilux (2997), Toyota Corolla (2711), Ford Falcon (2318), Holden Cruze (2218), Hyundai i30 (2116), Hyundai Getz (1717), Mitsubishi Lancer (1588), Toyota Yaris (1562).
Cruze only 100 units behind Falcon, just wait till Aussie Cruze production starts, hatch comes on line (half of all Corollas and Mazda3 are hatches) and the LPG version is released. Add to the 400 Falcon wagons (included in the 2318 Falcon amount) that Ford will stop making and I think Cruze could be a potential regular top 3. |
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03-02-2010, 07:34 PM | #5 | ||
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Why have things turned bad for Ford all of a sudden? I remember last year Ford was getting close to Holden and was pushing to overtake them in overall sales. Now they're almost 4000 behind.
Not good sales for Commodore there. Or Falcon. |
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03-02-2010, 07:58 PM | #6 | |||
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Don't forget Holden's go better too, I guess that makes a difference
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03-02-2010, 08:07 PM | #7 | ||
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Ford got caught with no stock on Several vehicles.
Territory Fiesta Ranger Falcon The market for January was huge (easily a one million vehicle year compared to 2009 by projection). Ford lost a lot of market share as a result. They can't get Fiestas from Germany, Ranger is also has a supply problem, and go to your dealer and ask for a Terrritory and find out the waiting period. I think Marin has a few issues to work through. If the market is up I think Ford may well struggle to keep share for quite a while Don't forget they are also building to order and that they have just had 3 + weeks off. |
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03-02-2010, 08:11 PM | #8 | |||
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03-02-2010, 08:35 PM | #9 | |||
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there are quite a few dealers hurting because walk-ins wanting a new Ford "today" and they can't supply. |
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03-02-2010, 08:35 PM | #10 | ||||
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Also Ford had that 3rd best increase from last year (+11.8%).. Only beaten by Hyundia (+67.7%) & Holden (19.5%).. What more do people what?? Last edited by Joe5619; 03-02-2010 at 08:43 PM. |
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03-02-2010, 10:09 PM | #11 | |||
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First month only but Mazda is a mere 72 sales behind Ford. January 2010 sales: 1 Toyota 14,564 +8.5% 2 Holden 10,468 +19.5% 3 Ford 6730 +11.8% 4 Mazda 6658 +1.9% It's still early days but if Mazda's 2, 3, 6, CX-7, CX-9 and BT trucks fire and Ford's products remain subdued, they could jump Ford and go to No.3. |
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03-02-2010, 10:51 PM | #12 | |||
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How long does Holden close down for overx-mas?? |
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03-02-2010, 11:27 PM | #13 | |||
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In any event, I'm seeing a lot of excuses but little in the way of real reasons for such an awful month, especially when you look at the ute for example. 479 units is an absolute disgrace. If supply is such an issue then they need to rectify this little conundrum. Not much good for Marin Burela to keep dribbling to motoring journos about his increasing market share when your own dealers can't even get stock.
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03-02-2010, 07:45 PM | #14 | |||
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That today/tonight expose of the Captiva seems to have done more good than harm judging on those figures. Focus in freefall sadly, when does the next gen come here? |
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03-02-2010, 07:55 PM | #15 | |||
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The free electric sunroofs on Barina and Captiva I am sure are driving sales through the roof (pardon the pun). So many people including me love sunroofs. Come on Ford, where is the sunroof on the Territory? Even on Ghia. |
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03-02-2010, 07:57 PM | #16 | ||
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In terms of annual sales, Ford are in danger of being passed by Mazda.
How embarrassing is that. |
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05-02-2010, 02:53 PM | #17 | |||
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05-02-2010, 03:10 PM | #18 | |||
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Holden probably will build it in the end (too much invested in political capital) but it won't make them very much money....and will just canibalise falling VE sales while their at it.
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05-02-2010, 03:30 PM | #19 | |||
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I would suggest the local content will be the labour and setup cost. Otherwise you are correct, very few of the usual suspects, are developing anything. Not sure about the sales crystal balling, especially as the revised commodore will be out by then too along with the export models. Holden could be up for a very busy twelve months and hopefully Ford too if it can get its message to the public. |
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03-02-2010, 07:38 PM | #20 | ||
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Looking at the results it is now obvious more than ever the C segment (Focus, Mazda3, Cruze, Lancer, Corolla, etc) are the future of big selling cars in this country.
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03-02-2010, 08:07 PM | #21 | ||
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Bring back the RTV.
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04-02-2010, 08:30 PM | #22 | |||
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03-02-2010, 10:25 PM | #23 | ||
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They could build more if they wanted.. They use to build more in the early BA / SX days.. Some dealers dont even have cars for test drives, its dia times for Falcon / Territory at dealer level. Focus / Fiesta are okay as they are off the wharf, but i dunno why Ford shuts for so long over christmas, most other business work thru, its about time Ford did the same.
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03-02-2010, 10:41 PM | #24 | |||
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Suppliers, transport, manufacturers etc all shut down which is beyond control of Ford.
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03-02-2010, 10:54 PM | #25 | ||
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holden obviously did a pretty good job masking the fact that the cruze is a rebadged daewoo. bloke at work has one on order. i asked him today when he gets his daewoo. he gave me a glare and told me its a holden. i assured him the badge was the only thing holden on it.
he wouldn't be alone. i would imagine a large % of cruze buyers think they are buying a holden, and possibly even an aussie one at that. |
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03-02-2010, 11:34 PM | #26 | |||
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I would like to know the split between the FG sedan and VE sedan because the VE wagon is clearly killing the BF wagon. |
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04-02-2010, 05:53 PM | #27 | |||
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The Cruze has the most Australian design and engineering input of any small car on the market. Holden Ltd owns the controlling interest in GM-DAT and Holden has members on the GM-DAT board. Also Daewoo Motor as a legal entity no longer exists. So effectively your colleague did buy a Holden... |
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04-02-2010, 06:56 PM | #28 | |||
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While technically you may be correct, its still a rebadged daewoo, you cant polish a t.u.r.d
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04-02-2010, 06:56 PM | #29 | |||
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04-02-2010, 07:38 PM | #30 | |||
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Yes you are right but it most likely has the most korean design and engineering input of any small car on the market aswell. Aussie's had input on the suspension and transmission . I am not saying its a bad car but what you said is called spin otherwise known a BS It is a dawoo lacetti with a holden badge . Would you call a commodore american built because it had a new front end and badge ? |
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