3 more young lives lost....

4Vman · 07-02-2010, 09:18 AM

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...-car-hits-pole

||| · 07-02-2010, 09:23 AM

p plater in an xr6 turbo at 3am? at least it was a pole and not another car

04redxr8 · 07-02-2010, 09:25 AM

Here we go again.

4Vman · 07-02-2010, 09:28 AM

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Here we go again.

Im sure that's exactly what the police, ambulance and emergency services workers said too....

jpd80 · 07-02-2010, 10:11 AM

Another tragic loss of lives.
It's easy to point the finger after the fact but much harder to prevent crazy actions in the first place.
It's a shame that a few bad apples have no self control behind the wheel, now other P platers suffer the stigma.

Maybe the solution is changing these kids and their friends' minds about driving like idiots,
all the rules in the world are useless without the self discipline to obey them.

Nikked · 07-02-2010, 09:34 AM

Are Xr6's replacing commodores as the hoon car to crash....

Not good, silly people doing stupid acts!

MitchG · 07-02-2010, 09:49 AM

unfortunately the XR6T has attracted alot of the old VL turbo crowd...very cheap very quick car & now seems very accessible to younger people even though there are laws forbidding it...ive seen a number of badged ones come through the work shop with green P's...

**DJM83** · 07-02-2010, 09:55 AM

What is so attractive about this behavior to some people?

04redxr8 · 07-02-2010, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

What is so attractive about this behavior to some people?

I think its a bad combination of over confidence and an eagerness to impress that clouds all sensible judgement.

FPV+fteT3 · 07-02-2010, 10:12 AM

Sorry but not suprised seems every week there is another idiot getting his ambition and capability way out of whack on a public road.
Lots of somewhat innocent people dying because of poor choices made by young drivers passengers must consider who is driving the car they are riding in and is it safe to be in there, if the driver has been reckless in the past dont get in the car some people are accidents just looking for somewhere to happen and YOU dont want to be there.
Experience and ability 2 things a P plater has not got ambition they have in spades.

glavas · 07-02-2010, 10:05 AM

bloody hell. when i was younger you use to do stupid stuff and people did die but now it seams like every other day theres a horror crash killing teens. im starting to be against all young male drivers and even female in any car but say a slow as hybrid.

all this safety and technology and people still manage to lose control of there vehicle's

LOWBA6 · 07-02-2010, 10:06 AM

Its sad to hear of young lives being lost, but this is becoming a weekly occurance.... I just wish people would take a little more care on the road

atec77 · 07-02-2010, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWBA6

Its sad to hear of young lives being lost, but this is becoming a weekly occurance.... I just wish people would take a little more care on the road

The ratio of deaths per thousand has not altered in years yet the reporting is more inflamatory and certainly the roads are not being maintained as they should
Several factors in these smashes , incorrect car ( but that's not the main reason) a short driving time and persons being taught to pass the test and not drive , plus the roads are poorly maintained . It all costs money and time so to avoid actually fixing things the pollies point and blame whilst pocketing the proceeds and diverting the finds into other pet avenues
Remember these things when you vote

S3SR · 07-02-2010, 10:07 AM

coming from someone that will admit they did similar, the reason for it is just the thrill, in our minds at the time, it is something that we think we can handle, obviously some are unfortunate to be the wrong place at the wrong time

you will never stop this behaviour, no matter how many rules you put in place, it is something that many of them do, ask your son or daughter if they have, i garuntee they have seen how fast their car can go, taken a corner quicker than they should have, or at one point soiled themselves doing something stupid

i in no way condone this activity but it tends to be the worst of the teen experiments

the moment you get behind a wheel, you risk everyones lives including your own, the wake up call is when the feeling of freedom having your own car, becomes the weapon that takes someones life.

geckoGT · 07-02-2010, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by S3SR

coming from someone that will admit they did similar, the reason for it is just the thrill, in our minds at the time, it is something that we think we can handle, obviously some are unfortunate to be the wrong place at the wrong time

you will never stop this behaviour, no matter how many rules you put in place, it is something that many of them do, ask your son or daughter if they have, i garuntee they have seen how fast their car can go, taken a corner quicker than they should have, or at one point soiled themselves doing something stupid

i in no way condone this activity but it tends to be the worst of the teen experiments

the moment you get behind a wheel, you risk everyones lives including your own, the wake up call is when the feeling of freedom having your own car, becomes the weapon that takes someones life.

Unfortunately very true. The only way is give them time with emergency services, blood on their hands and nightmares after will get the message through.

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yes maybe true for one of them but unfortunetly there were two innocent victims involved

In my experience at many of these scenes, there is rarely any such thing as an "innocent victim" in the same car, passengers are often just as responsible, seen it hundreds of times.

HLC · 07-02-2010, 01:49 PM

wow this happened just down the road from my gf's house. she lives on bennet road just near the highway. and not to far from my place. absolutely terrible.

that road is such a drag strip but, and im guilty of giving it a caining down their too. its dead straight and a lot of young blokes with hotted up cars in the area keen for a fang :( it was bucketing rain lastnight too all night. such a tradgedy.

some of her friends know the victims too :(

MAV50L · 07-02-2010, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HLC

wow this happened just down the road from my gf's house. she lives on bennet road just near the highway. and not to far from my place. absolutely terrible.

that road is such a drag strip but, and im guilty of giving it a caining down their too. its dead straight and a lot of young blokes with hotted up cars in the area keen for a fang :( it was bucketing rain lastnight too all night. such a tradgedy.

some of her friends know the victims too :(

100% correct. The road is a total drag strip. It is actually a road where a speed camera every km could be justified , but not one to be seen anywhere.
The weather last night was shocking. The fact it was an XR6 Turbo has nothing to do with it. The road is crap , it was bucketing down rain and people are always up for a run along there. The exact same thing could of happened to someone driving a Prius.................just would of took more of a runup but to get some speed.
Even after this last night I can guarantee I could take my rather noisy V8 for a drive down there tonight and I will have at least 3 people want to have a run. Im in my 30's by the way.

4Vman · 07-02-2010, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MAV50L

100% correct. The road is a total drag strip. It is actually a road where a speed camera every km could be justified , but not one to be seen anywhere.
The weather last night was shocking. The fact it was an XR6 Turbo has nothing to do with it. The road is crap , it was bucketing down rain and people are always up for a run along there. The exact same thing could of happened to someone driving a Prius.................just would of took more of a runup but to get some speed.
Even after this last night I can guarantee I could take my rather noisy V8 for a drive down there tonight and I will have at least 3 people want to have a run. Im in my 30's by the way.

You cant say the car had nothing to do with it at all.

I'll reserve judgement till the investigation results start to come out but the fact is an XR6T in the hands of an inexperienced immature driver is a disaster waiting to happen if they do not respect the power under their right foot and leave things like the traction control on..
LSD without traction control with an enourmous burst of power that a XR6T would give is simply extremely dangerous on a wet road, add too much speed and you end up with this result.

Again we don't know the facts yet but I'll bet he was simply caught out by having too much power at his disposal for too little maturity and experience, temptation may have cost lives....

8 years ago i was nearly killed when a p plater driving a VL Turbo lost control fishtailing coming towards me on a wet road and ploughed into us head on, his excuse was the turbo kicked in and that sudden burst of power snapped the tail out..

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Had he been in a N/A commodore he wouldnt have had nearly the rush of power to break traction the way it did.

Power restrictions DO WORK if they're followed and adhered to..

**Falcon Coupe** · 07-02-2010, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MAV50L

The fact it was an XR6 Turbo has nothing to do with it. The road is crap , it was bucketing down rain and people are always up for a run along there. The exact same thing could of happened to someone driving a Prius.................

Possibly but not likely, a Prius will not lose traction at speed when standing on the go peddle like an XR6T can, something many here fail to understand.

pottery beige · 07-02-2010, 02:14 PM

Darwin's theory of evolution.. Stupid people will die.. Shame about the passenger's or the family car full of five this ******* could have ploughed into...

The Monty · 07-02-2010, 10:37 AM

Darwins theory taking care of the world.

kezzer · 07-02-2010, 10:51 AM

meh is all I can say, no amount of laws is going to change this behaviour, its been this way since cars were made.

P6LTD351 · 07-02-2010, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by The Monty

Darwins theory taking care of the world.

Exactly.

I'm just glad they didn't kill any innocent people. Feel sorry for the family, but have no sympathy for these would be murderers - and that's exactly what they would be had they killed someone else. These are NOT accidents.

ST · 07-02-2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by eb2monty

I'm just glad they didn't kill any innocent people. Feel sorry for the family, but have no sympathy for these would be murderers - and that's exactly what they would be had they killed someone else. These are NOT accidents.

So you are saying they intentionally drove into a pole? You personally knew all 3 people in the car and feel the title of 'would be murderer' befits each of them? You believe the passengers were responsible for the drivers actions and deserve no sympathy?

Oh and would you let their families know how you feel about their deceased?

P6LTD351 · 07-02-2010, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ST

So you are saying they intentionally drove into a pole? You personally knew all 3 people in the car and feel the title of 'would be murderer' befits each of them? You believe the passengers were responsible for the drivers actions and deserve no sympathy?

Oh and would you let their families know how you feel about their deceased?

I said I felt sorry for the families. READ my post. I wonder how you would feel if they ploughed into one of YOUR family and killed them. Would you have sympathy for them then?

What would you say if a gunman with a blind fold on started shooting in a crowded cinema. Now, he doesn't intentionally mean to kill anyone, but he does. I still say that's murder. They know the consequences, they just don't care.

ST · 07-02-2010, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by eb2monty

I said I felt sorry for the families. READ my post. I wonder how you would feel if they ploughed into one of YOUR family and killed them. Would you have sympathy for them then?

What would you say if a gunman with a blind fold on started shooting in a crowded cinema. Now, he doesn't intentionally mean to kill anyone, but he does. I still say that's murder. They know the consequences, they just don't care.

...Are you serious?

I read your post and I am completely aware you said you felt sorry for the families, but you are very publicly voicing that you believed ALL 3 of the people involved were 'would be murderers' and deserve no sympathy whatsoever.

I'm not even going to answer the last part of your post as it is beyond ridiculous and you have some serious moral issues if you believe in everything you are posting in this thread.

bob 351 · 07-02-2010, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by The Monty

Darwins theory taking care of the world.

yes maybe true for one of them but unfortunetly there were two innocent victims involved

ratter · 07-02-2010, 11:18 AM

you don't know they were innocent, they may have been egging the driver on.
The driver may have suffered from peer group pressure and been the victim.

We are never going to really know, but thankfully they did not take out a family etc.

MAV50L · 07-02-2010, 10:43 AM

Happened near a friend of ours place. From all accounts it was not pretty.
Unfortunately I will most likely hear more about it during the week as it would be my work replacing the pole.
Has been a lot of carnage on the Highway in that area over the last few years all due to stupidity.
I can see it is going to become very difficult around my way to have a fairly quick car soon. Everyone will be tarred with the same brush.

mik · 07-02-2010, 11:08 AM

whats the % of people that think it can`t happen to me, younger ones mostly have that bullet proof ignorance, i had that same trait and only made through my youth more by good luck than good judgement, its in our nature to rebel against rules and regulations in our young days, more rules and regs only punish road user doing the right thing, the more i think about gecko`s post in the 5 fatality crash a week or 2 ago ,it seems they need to spend much much more on showing new drivers the blood and guts that emergency services see all the time, and teach them the the physics of folded sheet metal (the car) versus a 20 ton solid tree or other objects or this will never stop.