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04-08-2010, 12:54 PM | #1 | ||
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http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...804-11b5d.html
Local manufacturers are struggling to match imported competition in the sales race. Locally made cars can't keep up with the flood of imported vehicles racing out of showrooms. The latest VFacts sales released today figures show Australian-built cars lagging behind imported models in the fight for market share. Results for July saw Holden, Ford and Toyota's locally-built cars down 6.0 per cent compared with last July, while imported cars were up by 12.4 per cent. Sales figures year-to-date tell a similar story, with domestic cars only up 5.8 per cent as cars built off-shore are up 17.4%. But Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries chief executive Andrew McKellar defends the local brands. "The growth figures overall are not as strong as imported models," McKeller tells Drive. "But overall, sales of locally-made vehicles are up." He is confident that new models due over the next 12 months, including an updated Holden Commodore range later this year, will help turn the results around. "Over the next 12 months we'll have new locally made product arriving in the market and that will have a positive impact of sales," he says. "It's a very competitive market. But the Commodore remains the best selling car and has done for the past 13 years." He believes the decision of the local producers to look for more export opportunities is key to the long term viability of Australia's manufacturing industry. "At the end of the day it is a volume game," McKellar says. But as local cars struggle cars produced in emerging markets, notably China and India, are finding favour with local buyers. Currently Great Wall Motors is the only Chinese brand in Australia but the Chery has been confirmed for a local launch later in 2010. Suzuki imports the Alto small car from India and several other manufacturers are looking to establish factories in countries including India and China to take advantage of low cost labour. "I think Australian consumers, and motorists, are always going to look for a good deal," McKellar says. "If some of these emerging markets are going to come in and offer competitive products I think Australians will give them a fair go." Overall new car sales remain strong in 2010 despite a small dip in July. In total 82,376 new vehicles were sold in July, an increase of 9.3 per cent on the same month last year. However, it was down 24.2 per cent on June sales figures as buyers took advantage of end of financial year deals. SUVs continue to pump up the market, with sales up by close to 30 per cent in the first seven months of the year. McKellar says FCAI believes the market could still pass the million units mark this year if final quarter sales as strong. |
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04-08-2010, 02:34 PM | #2 | ||
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Just goes to show today's society of wanting something for nothing. And when your competing with low cost labour in developing countries, I understand it must be getting very hard for manufacturers.
Plus with buyers these days having less and less general car knowledge, price tags tend to play a bigger part in the buying decision process, again making cheap imports more attractive. |
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04-08-2010, 03:00 PM | #3 | |||
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04-08-2010, 04:07 PM | #4 | ||
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one thing the govt can do for the local industry is bring back the tariffs. people say aussie cars are too expensive but truth is, its expensive to manufacture cars in aus. we can never compete with offshore labour costs and production.
for some strange reason, people think that offshore products are still far superior to the homegrown products. its a mindset that is no longer applicable. |
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04-08-2010, 04:16 PM | #5 | |||
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As for that perception, not sure what can be done there, sadly. |
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04-08-2010, 06:29 PM | #6 | |||
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http://www.dfat.gov.au/trade/ftas.html ....don’t get me wrong I have no problems with FTA's (some) but while labour costs in Aus are higher than those we sign up with locally produced items will always attract a higher price, and as the majority of the Aus public are trying to saving a buck (nothing wrong with that!) the local stuff will always come second....
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04-08-2010, 06:49 PM | #7 | |||
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04-08-2010, 06:40 PM | #8 | |||
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Do you really think it will encourage people to purchase a Falcon or Commodore? Will it really increase their sales? I wouldn't and many others wouldn't either. Have a look at the article again and take note of what is selling. Small-Medium cars and compact SUVs. Buyers are changing their preferences, they don't want a large sedan. If you want to force buyers to buy local then you may as well just ban everything else.
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04-08-2010, 06:46 PM | #9 | |||
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04-08-2010, 08:46 PM | #10 | |||
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I guess with no (or very few) Wagons & V8's we are seeing an I6 sedan number.. V8’s can't come quick enough.. |
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04-08-2010, 09:13 PM | #11 | |||
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......as a country we will sell anything to anybody, it's all about the quick buck, get with it half the houses where I live are owned by overseas investors...
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05-08-2010, 06:46 AM | #12 | |||
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its about saving the local auto manufacturing scene!! there'd be tens of thousands of jobs wrapped up in the industry and it is facing real pressure to survive. the choice is still there. |
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05-08-2010, 09:56 AM | #13 | |||
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05-08-2010, 11:53 AM | #14 | |||
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No, you're wrong, the choice isn't there. You're effectively forcing people to buy what's made locally. So you can "choose" anything as long as it is a large sedan, stationwagon, a ute or a large SUV. That's it. Sorry no thanks. The locals will get my money when they actually make something I want, i'm not supporting an organisation who cannot get their product range right. It looks like I'm not the only one either judging by the figures.
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04-08-2010, 07:50 PM | #15 | |||
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04-08-2010, 04:28 PM | #16 | ||
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Wow the ute is disappointed, 610 sales
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04-08-2010, 06:01 PM | #17 | ||
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I can see Ford slipping to 5th in the next 12 months. Sad, but we will see Ford as a minority player.
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04-08-2010, 06:27 PM | #18 | ||
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Maybe Ford better release exactly what is coming up with V8 models now as I can't see it hurting current sales, particularly XR8 utes as there are no current sales to hurt.
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04-08-2010, 06:33 PM | #19 | |||
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04-08-2010, 07:01 PM | #20 | ||
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Another problem for Ford is the holding pattern they're in re future Thai sourced Focus (new model) and Fiesta's. Until then they can't compete fully on a value basis as the change will allow either cheaper cars or much higher spec levels for the same dollars. 2011/12 can't come soon enough, if that makes sense.
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04-08-2010, 08:32 PM | #21 | ||
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i like the level playing field myself , people wanna buy wanna support other countries manufacturing at the expense of our own ..........let them pay the extra tax .
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04-08-2010, 11:34 PM | #23 | ||
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We do keep hearing all the time from the main man of over time, saturday shift, but where are all these cars going??? Ford have not sold that many more locally built cars, yet I'm sure they must have built allot more? Stock levels must be going up again??
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05-08-2010, 05:19 AM | #24 | |||
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Things aren't that bright. Hopefully 50th Anniversary models boost sales. |
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05-08-2010, 06:34 AM | #25 | |||
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Oh dear, that is a worrying development. I wonder what went wrong in the market place to cause Falcon sales to slip that badly. This is Falcon's 50th Anniversary and if Ford can't stage manage brilliant sales this of all years, they never will...... |
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05-08-2010, 10:44 AM | #26 | |||
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I think Fords overall product mix is letting them down. Old Focus, old Territory, old Ranger, the Escape, these cars simply can't compete with more modern looking competitors with more features, with equal pricing. The ute isn't being advertised at all, which in itself is stupid, but at least with the Falcon there is a core of 2-2500 people a month that want a large RWD car with a Ford badge on it. But for how long? I think the perception of a large car with a large engine being a fuel guzzler is hurting it, as well as a lack of a decent, modern looking wagon variant. Say what you will about Holden's Sportwagon, one thing the Sportwagon has done for the Commodore volumes is kept them buoyant. It's given people one more reason to visit a Holden dealer. I also feel that with the buying public there is a 'once bitten, twice shy' mindset that may be a hangover from quality and service standards from a few years ago.
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05-08-2010, 10:48 AM | #27 | ||
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Not to go off topic, but maybe the CASH for CLUNKERS scheme that might be introduced should only apply to replacing the old cars with Australian made cars to help prop up the industry. Just a thought.
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This situation with monthly sales is starting to get silly. Actually no, it was silly 6 months ago, now its absolutely diabolical.
All of those pie in the sky dreams of global RWD platforms, Lincolns and Falcon exports will become nothing more than that unless management sort this issue out. And I think it has more to do with the pointy end of the business, not the back end.
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05-08-2010, 12:46 PM | #30 | ||
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I think it would be a bit rich to put tarriffs on a Mazda 3 or Ford Focus when there isn't even an equivalent Australian product you could choose from. Same for 4x4s.
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