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27-10-2010, 05:10 PM | #1 | ||
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It seems Marin Burela's moving to China and being replaced by the current CEO of Ford China.
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27-10-2010, 05:14 PM | #2 | ||
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Not good. Marin Burela was the best thing to happen to Ford Australia since Geoff Polites. He will be missed in Australia.
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27-10-2010, 05:15 PM | #3 | ||
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27-10-2010, 05:18 PM | #4 | ||
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Beat me by this much
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27-10-2010, 05:19 PM | #5 | ||
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Damn, I was expecting this to be about a new Boss motor, not a new manager..
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27-10-2010, 05:19 PM | #6 | ||
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Great, it will all be down hill from here..an Aussie boss was the best thing to happen to Ford Aus since Geoff, I can see all the future plans for Falcon slowly die..he won't understand the importance of the Falcon or the V8 Supercar program and dump them..
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27-10-2010, 05:22 PM | #7 | ||
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And we are back on the downward spiral of the rollercoaster that is Ford Aus Management..
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27-10-2010, 05:22 PM | #8 | ||
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I dont see this as good news for Ford Australia
With Marin I think we finally had someone that was pasionate about what Ford was doing here, and not just using it as a stepping stone to go higher in the company
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27-10-2010, 05:35 PM | #9 | ||
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This is NOT good news....
Only 2 years, should have been 3 or 4. Also .... I'm told that FoA will be having a quite a few 'idle days' between now and year end. These were not planned and are due to high inventory levels. |
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27-10-2010, 05:43 PM | #10 | ||
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27-10-2010, 09:24 PM | #11 | |||
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27-10-2010, 06:29 PM | #12 | |||
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27-10-2010, 05:33 PM | #13 | ||
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Not happy, Ford are doing poorly in China (compared to other brands) and now we get their boss. Another Gorman people!
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27-10-2010, 05:34 PM | #14 | ||
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This sucks! Now I wonder how long till the falcon will be made in China with all the contacts this new guys has..
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27-10-2010, 05:34 PM | #15 | |||
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27-10-2010, 05:38 PM | #16 | ||
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Oh dear. Its probably unfair to cast judgment on a guy before he's even taken the role, but if I were to have the luxury of speculation for a moment, I see this as a real danger to Ford Aus.
Local knowledge is critical here for Ford Aus. The Yanks have no idea of our market, and that's been proven in the past. As for this guy, OK he's managed the Chinese operations but I couldn't think of a market that is more poles apart than the Australian one. Labour costs, production techniques, environmental considerations, model designations, design and development mandates...all totally different. To take a guy from a high volume, lower value, developing world production regime and plug him into a low volume, high cost, niche market situation as per Ford Aus, it'll err, be a challenge unless this dude is very adaptable. That's my 20c. The revolving door of senior management is what has stuffed many a good Aussie company. They come in on a 3 year contract, wreak havoc, then leave a trail of destruction behind. Very few are true visionaries. |
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27-10-2010, 05:51 PM | #17 | ||
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Thanks Burnout. His CV doesn't inspire me. Launched the Mercury Villager minivan hey? Let's break out the party pies and sausage rolls. Nuff said.
Notice his more recent appointments......Brazil, South America, China. All somewhat err (how do I put this nicely)....."challenging" geographies. Read that as a corporate troubleshooter......lean 'em down, shape 'em up and move onto the next one. Hmmm. I'm nervous. |
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27-10-2010, 05:51 PM | #18 | ||
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What is FORD Detroit ulterior motive?????
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27-10-2010, 06:28 PM | #19 | |||
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27-10-2010, 06:48 PM | #20 | |||
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If Ford world wide (don't forget Ford OZ is a pimple on the butt of the Ford global operation) are to survive they need to trim up the company, cut the waste and streamline models. If they don't they'll end up like GM. Chrysler is doing the same at the moment under the guidance of Fiat and they're up coming models are far better than anything in the past. Nissan has teamed up with other makes to consolidate the costs of developing platforms. It all comes down to cost, we as consumers want more for less and in such a competative market costs need to be reduced. I personally am looking forward to seeing the result of One Ford. Too many here are short sighted and cannot see the bigger picture. Ford is on the up and the changes made so far may not impress a few here (no real bad news anyway) but if they can sell a whole lore more cars and make a whole lot more money meaning they stay in business a lot longer, I can't see the problem.
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27-10-2010, 07:39 PM | #21 | |||
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Yes but that's not what I meant exactly. Say ford have 100 different models with 40 different chassis types under them. One ford is about dropping 35 of those chassis types to 5 types and then instead of 100 models they would drop to say 30 models all up for the world. what ones get dropped who knows, in terms of Australia being a small market and all, that could mean all the current Australian only models could be wiped in favour of US and European models by next year. Australia seems to be the design bed for the one ford chassis types the T6 chassis was designed and developed here yet won't be produced here. The next chassis type is a small car one that is due to be started before the end of the year also to be designed and developed as well but currently unlikly to be produced here either. I've been reading around on the net and people in the Australian car media are starting to ask ford if they will keep making the ford ute seeing as the T6/ranger is based and designed on a US F150 pick up truck for the global markets including Australia. Currently Ford Australia are saying yes but future plans can always change so unknown what will happen. Also many of fords US cars all all front wheel drive only, the Ford US cop car has failed pretty bad (front wheel drive) against the Holden export cop car (rear wheel drive) That might not mean much right now here, but it could after next year. Ford US are wanting more front wheel drive cars than rear wheel drive cars, I think the falcon is the only ford rear wheel drive car bar the mustang. Money wise Ford was is doing good, it was the only US car maker that didn't need US government bail out money, so currently any money they make now is theirs and don't need to pay back anyone. Nissan are a bit different back in the 80's and early 90's they made many of their own car designs, how ever since being owned by Renault and the bosses at Renault have put a major stop on that, they allowed the new Skyline to go ahead only because it would be a huge seller in all markets around the world but until then skyline's have never been sold outside of Japan. All the Skylines you see on the roads around the world, bar the newest one are all imports to that country. Anyway, I think many people can see the end of the falcon and the ute as you can buy it today. the next version of the falcon will probably be a V4 front wheel drive car with the upper version being powered by a turboed V4, and no V6 or V8 will exist. FPV could get wiped as it uses V6 and V8 motors and with no rear wheel chassis existing it'd be pointless keeping it around as it wouldn't be a viable competitor to HSV and Ford US wouldn't see the current FPV models complying with their Ford One project. While I won't mind having a US pick up and diesel too at that (brilliant for stupid amounts of power) but I don't think many Australian Ford fans will be into that. I actually think it'd be good to a point in that Ford probably do need to drop some models but I wouldn't be interested in buy Australian ford's that are front wheel drive cars just because some 16 year old can't stop crashing into trees etc in the USA. |
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If they do cut it down like you say to 5 platforms and 30 models, that is still a fair chunk of range. Of the top of my head, Fiesta, Focus, Mondeo, Mustang, Falcon, Fseries, Taurus, Fusion and these are just the main models, don't forget all the others that can be spawned from them, i.e. from the Falcon platform (if it shares the mustang) the ute. However what i have stated is just speculation and I would rather wait for an official announcement. Quote:
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The Ranger is sold here alongside the ute. The ute's future is based on the Falcon, if the Falcon remains then ute has a better chance. Simply put if the sales aren't there then why keep pouring millions of $$ they don't have into it? Quote:
FWD is a cost saving. Most consumers who buy them (hot hatches excepted) don't care which wheels are the driving force, they just want reliable transport. Just ask BMW who will be moving to a FWD platform for the next 1 series. Their customers didn't know it was RWD or cared. Quote:
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Your last statement is silly beyond anything. FWD cars were not brought in to stop 16 year olds from hitting trees, you can hit a tree in anything. I think you should spend some time researching the car industry, start with Ford motor company and their current line up. Know the products before trying (yet failing) to analyse what people want.
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27-10-2010, 05:51 PM | #23 | ||
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27-10-2010, 05:53 PM | #24 | ||
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Ford Australia needs ONE person to commit for years...not a little toe in the water for a short while before departing.
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27-10-2010, 05:57 PM | #25 | |||
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27-10-2010, 06:04 PM | #26 | ||
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27-10-2010, 05:58 PM | #27 | |||
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Ford move people around all the time. Mind you moving a person for the sake of it isn't good. I bet Marin is going to China to fix up the mess over there. So much potential for Ford (Ford Australia Design) especially.
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27-10-2010, 06:01 PM | #28 | ||
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Highlights of tenure:
$29,990 Falcons XR6s, cancellation of wagon, cancellation of RTV, cancellation of local Focus, cancellation of global V6, no pursuit of exports, Falcon being outsold by Cruze. Falcons being mass-registered monthly as demos to increase sales, Crap "Ford of course" marketing campaign, Woeful and gutless handling of Territory ball-joint problem. To be fair, its not one persons decisions. Probably still one of the best people they have had in getting things done and done well. I doubt anyone could of done a better job under the circumstances. Its a shame an Aussie isnt at the head as they probably 'get' the market a lot more. It certainly sounds like a promotion as China is VERY important for Ford. Probably a good time to leave as all the exciting stuff is done with EcoBoost, LPG and diesel Territory. Probably wanted the next challenge. Last edited by Brazen; 27-10-2010 at 06:08 PM. |
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27-10-2010, 06:08 PM | #29 | |||
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Ummmm.... No.. There was no FG RTV ... well before Burela. Nice edit by the way That last paragraph wasn't there a minute ago. |
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27-10-2010, 06:12 PM | #30 | |||
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