p plater driving V8s

CANFRY · 05-03-2011, 04:56 PM

im just wonderin if this would work
ive heard of people havn v8s in there dad/mums name and thats there only car and them goin to the rta sayin there parents are giving them the car for work ect and u have no other way of gettin a car and thats the only car registerd in your parents name does that work or does anyone know or heard of anyone trying this? i read it on the net n yeh.

g220ba · 05-03-2011, 05:05 PM

Regardless of who the vehicle is registered to if it is illegal for a p-plater to drive a v8 then the registration of the vehicle is irrelevant. It's all about the driving of the vehicle not the ownership.

XRGhia · 05-03-2011, 05:08 PM

you can get a permit if it is required for work purposes but the workplace has to organise them, go over your driving record etc

Ben73 · 05-03-2011, 05:53 PM

Nothing is stopping a P plater owning a V8. Just can't drive it I believe.

You can get exceptions, but they have to be approved by the RTA or equivalent. There has to be a reason, you cannot just ask for an exception because you want one.

GS608 · 05-03-2011, 05:56 PM

There was/is (dunno if its still around) that if your family owned the vehicle before the restrictions were introduced (06? in QLD) and that is the only car in your familys name then you can get a permit to drive it. Otherwise no way, If you need a work permit then you'll only be permitted to drive it during work hours, caught out driving out of those hours and you'll be in serious ****

GT 160 · 05-03-2011, 06:04 PM

I think the RTA will issue an exemption if it's the only vehicle the parents own, but i think they really scrutinise it now since a newspaper got hold of all the exemptions they issued and one was for a girl to drive her dads Porsche 911 Turbo

But in all seriousness do we really need more P platers with powerfull cars ?

** Puts on flame suit**

Riksta · 05-03-2011, 06:08 PM

The laws are there for a reason, reasonable exemptions can be made but dodging a way around them to get something against the law just because you want it isn't really doing the right thing by anyone, and is going to make it harder for others in a legitimate situation who genuinely NEED an exemption to get it.

FGII-XR6 · 05-03-2011, 06:18 PM

P platers are really learner drivers that are allowed to go solo. they still have a lot of learning to do and should be restricted in what they drive untill they learn a bit more.
I'll put it in perspective you can get a private pilots licence in a few months but they restrict what you can fly because you are still learning, would you like a novice pilot flying a 747 or an FA18?
I'm expecting all the "hard done by " and "discriminated against" P platers to scream , rant and carry on about my comments but the fact is under 25s and P platers are over represented in our road toll statistics. if they were just killing themself I'd say they knew the risks but they often take out inocent victims as well

It's simple really , P plates = no turbo no V8

Auturbo6 · 07-03-2011, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by au3xr6

P platers are really learner drivers that are allowed to go solo. they still have a lot of learning to do and should be restricted in what they drive untill they learn a bit more.
I'll put it in perspective you can get a private pilots licence in a few months but they restrict what you can fly because you are still learning, would you like a novice pilot flying a 747 or an FA18?
I'm expecting all the "hard done by " and "discriminated against" P platers to scream , rant and carry on about my comments but the fact is under 25s and P platers are over represented in our road toll statistics. if they were just killing themself I'd say they knew the risks but they often take out inocent victims as well

It's simple really , P plates = no turbo no V8

SPOT ON!!!!!

Zero_PSI · 08-03-2011, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by au3xr6

P platers are really learner drivers that are allowed to go solo. they still have a lot of learning to do and should be restricted in what they drive untill they learn a bit more.
I'll put it in perspective you can get a private pilots licence in a few months but they restrict what you can fly because you are still learning, would you like a novice pilot flying a 747 or an FA18?
I'm expecting all the "hard done by " and "discriminated against" P platers to scream , rant and carry on about my comments but the fact is under 25s and P platers are over represented in our road toll statistics. if they were just killing themself I'd say they knew the risks but they often take out inocent victims as well

It's simple really , P plates = no turbo no V8

I cant agree with this more. And you dony realise how unexperienced you were till you get older. Im still on p's thanks to speed cameras but after 4 years im still learning

dags41v · 05-03-2011, 06:28 PM

couldnt P platers just wait, I know it is totally against gen X principles, but I dont think it is too much too ask to wait a year or 2 to get into a V8.
+1 to au3xr6. New drivers dont know everything so should spend a couple of years learning the ropes before they are given a lethal weapon.

MNM96 · 06-03-2011, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dags41v

New drivers dont know everything so should spend a couple of years learning the ropes before they are given a lethal weapon.

Cause nobody ever died driving a 4 cylinder!

This law is in place because its easier than educating our children.

mrbaxr6t · 10-03-2011, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dags41v

couldnt P platers just wait, I know it is totally against gen X principles, but I dont think it is too much too ask to wait a year or 2 to get into a V8.
+1 to au3xr6. New drivers dont know everything so should spend a couple of years learning the ropes before they are given a lethal weapon.

you mean gen Y gen X are too busy working their buns off supporting gen Y's lifestyle and "I want it yesterday" attitude

XRGhia · 05-03-2011, 06:32 PM

they need to make it no turbo/v8 on your L-plates aswell as at the moment, for all the government cares, you can drive a bugatti veyron (if your lucky enough to be able to afford one)

Simple6 · 05-03-2011, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by xrghiawagon

they need to make it no turbo/v8 on your L-plates aswell as at the moment, for all the government cares, you can drive a bugatti veyron (if your lucky enough to be able to afford one)

But you'd have a full lisenced driver in the car who is legally responsible to what you do. Much lower risk

irish2 · 05-03-2011, 06:40 PM

I owned and drove a v8 on my P's. That was only 4 years ago before the law changed in QLD. Probably drove the v8 less hard than any other car because I understood the limitations of the vehicle.

AcidTrip · 05-03-2011, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by irish2

I owned and drove a v8 on my P's. That was only 4 years ago before the law changed in QLD. Probably drove the v8 less hard than any other car because I understood the limitations of the vehicle.

And you could hear the engine gulping the petrol when you pushed the V8 =P

Zedjay · 05-03-2011, 07:01 PM

the law should be power to weight ratio not just no V8...
my 16 year old son cant drive my dads old NL fairlane that he is getting but can drive our FG XR6??

The FG is way way faster than the NL.....infact there would be 4 cyl cars quicker than the NL

sanchoXB · 06-03-2011, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Zedjay

the law should be power to weight ratio not just no V8...
my 16 year old son cant drive my dads old NL fairlane that he is getting but can drive our FG XR6??

The FG is way way faster than the NL.....infact there would be 4 cyl cars quicker than the NL

Or have a horsepower / kilowatt limit.

boss54 · 05-03-2011, 07:31 PM

i got my ba xr8 wen i was 19. the main reason i got it was for the cool factor. none of my mates had a v8 and i wanted to be the cool guy. i used to get pulled over all the time and i got hit 3 times for driving a high powered car. now wen i think about it i spose i should of got my full licence first i done some dumb ****** in that car and i know why they have these laws now

RAPID_BA · 05-03-2011, 08:20 PM

P-platers need to drive slower cars. Even the i6 will outrun many of the older V8s. Speed limited and slow as hell to accelerate, with 6pot brembos too.

The facts are that most p-platers drive beyond their abilities. They just "wanna go fast" wanna be quicker, they drive with absolutely no margin for error, they never foresee other drivers mistakes.

For instance if there is a crest on a hill, the p-plater will come flying over it not aware and with no regard for what is on the other side.

The facts are you cant teach maturity, thats the issue, im no peter brock so i dont drive like one, p plater think they can.

I have a high powered car, when does it get crossed up with a nice opposite lock, screaming up the road?????.... Never.

Ben73 · 05-03-2011, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by HULK_BA

P-platers need to drive slower cars. Even the i6 will outrun many of the older V8s. Speed limited and slow as hell to accelerate, with 6pot brembos too.

The facts are that most p-platers drive beyond their abilities. They just "wanna go fast" wanna be quicker, they drive with absolutely no margin for error, they never foresee other drivers mistakes.

For instance if there is a crest on a hill, the p-plater will come flying over it not aware and with no regard for what is on the other side.

The facts are you cant teach maturity, thats the issue, im no peter brock so i dont drive like one, p plater think they can.

I have a high powered car, when does it get crossed up with a nice opposite lock, screaming up the road?????.... Never.

SOME P- Platers.

I know I sure as hell didn't drive around like that on my P's.
Maybe I was more aware because of the defensive driving courses I did. It does help you think about things. Should be compulsory for all new drivers.

I wanted to buy a V8 4x4 on my P's. It wasn't very fast at all, but since it was a V8 it was banned. Although on my P's I drove FG Xr6 and VE SV6. They are a hell of a lot quicker then many V8 4x4.

The rules need to be reviewed.

Bucknaked · 06-03-2011, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

SOME P- Platers.

All P-Platers. There is no exception to the rule. No matter how good they think they are behind the wheel, they still have no idea. Do your time and shut the hell up. Because no-one cares what a whinging P-Plater has to say. We only have to open the paper or watch the news to see another P-Plater caught at high speed, killing themselves and others to understand that the rules are not tough enough.

Ben73 · 06-03-2011, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucknaked

All P-Platers. There is no exception to the rule. No matter how good they think they are behind the wheel, they still have no idea. Do your time and shut the hell up. Because no-one cares what a whinging P-Plater has to say. We only have to open the paper or watch the news to see another P-Plater caught at high speed, killing themselves and others to understand that the rules are not tough enough.

I feel sorry for you if you are being serious. Not all p platers are maniac drivers.
I'm not even on my p's so you can't use that against me.
Sure there are more maniac drivers on their p's then full licence, but if you think every p plater is on a suicide mission then perhaps you should get out more often.

chrisfpv · 05-03-2011, 08:09 PM

I'm not against P plate restrictions, but the way it is currently set up is complete rubbish.

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the law should be power to weight ratio not just no V8...
my 16 year old son cant drive my dads old NL fairlane that he is getting but can drive our FG XR6??
The FG is way way faster than the NL.....infact there would be 4 cyl cars quicker than the NL

Agree, power to weight ratio. Not a straight out ban.

To the OP regarding a V8 being the parents only car, it's not as easy at it sounds. They'll most likely ask you what you do for work, and why you can't afford a car for yourself. Anyone who works can likely afford a car even if it's a $2,000 clunker.

Hell, if your parents own a V8 i'm sure they could throw $2,000 for a clunker too so don't get your hopes up and just wait like the majority of other P platers are. Me included.

jezza11 · 05-03-2011, 08:39 PM

I agree, bike riders have power to weight ratio, why shouldnt car drivers, I just got off my p's, i see people with there rice burners, crushing and what ever, want to be drifters. I bet half of these cars they wouldnt be aloud to drive.

xisled · 05-03-2011, 09:42 PM

The reason why an old v8 is banned and a new xr6 is not, is the safety rating. You are more likely to survive a crash at 60ks in a new xr6 than a pre 90's car.

If I had a kid I would rather them drive a car that had a pretty good safety rating than an older car.

GT 160 · 05-03-2011, 10:22 PM

100 % agree with power to weight. They do it with bikes so why the hell not cars.

A few weeks ago about 5 ks from my house a car load of teenagers driving a 6cyl Falcon, failed to negotiate a bend and slammed into some tree's outside a house in excess of 180km/h. No skid marks, nothing.

There were six kids in that car which only seats 5, 2 girls died. At least 1 wasn't wearing a seat belt and was ejected from the vehicle and found 20 odd metres away in the front yard of the house, she died instantly and had to be identified by a tattoo because she couldn't be done visually. The other girl died a few hours later in hospital.

My apologies for the morbid post and it's a bit off topic but enoughs enough. I'm terrified of the day my kids start to drive.

jezza11 · 05-03-2011, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fitzwa

100 % agree with power to weight. They do it with bikes so why the hell not cars.

A few weeks ago about 5 ks from my house a car load of teenagers driving a 6cyl Falcon, failed to negotiate a bend and slammed into some tree's outside a house in excess of 180km/h. No skid marks, nothing.

There were six kids in that car which only seats 5, 2 girls died. At least 1 wasn't wearing a seat belt and was ejected from the vehicle and found 20 odd metres away in the front yard of the house, she died instantly and had to be identified by a tattoo because she couldn't be done visually. The other girl died a few hours later in hospital.

My apologies for the morbid post and it's a bit off topic but enoughs enough. I'm terrified of the day my kids start to drive.

i do believe i heard about that, as i stated before i have friends that do this kind of stuff also they work engines other ways

**Kingsley** · 06-03-2011, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by fitzwa

100 % agree with power to weight. They do it with bikes so why the hell not cars.

A few weeks ago about 5 ks from my house a car load of teenagers driving a 6cyl Falcon, failed to negotiate a bend and slammed into some tree's outside a house in excess of 180km/h. No skid marks, nothing.

There were six kids in that car which only seats 5, 2 girls died. At least 1 wasn't wearing a seat belt and was ejected from the vehicle and found 20 odd metres away in the front yard of the house, she died instantly and had to be identified by a tattoo because she couldn't be done visually. The other girl died a few hours later in hospital.

My apologies for the morbid post and it's a bit off topic but enoughs enough. I'm terrified of the day my kids start to drive.

What was equally dangerous were the many, many people who decided to slow down to a 30 kph or less crawl on that stretch of road (speed limit is 100kph on a blind bend.) to gawk at the tree, or park with the *** of their car hanging out in the lane then wander out on to the road in front of oncomming traffic without looking, or standing in the middle of the road to take pictures. The cementary 1k away could experienced a population explosion that week alone on the stupidity of some of the mourners.

I was lucky enough to get through my youth only losing two friends from car crashes. Of those two, one was in a Renault that suffered steering failure, the other was speeding on a wet road driving a Porsche with suspect tyres. But considering how bad the roads were at the time with the availability of powerful cars with questionable brakes and suspension, I'm surprised more weren't killed. Maybe we weren't as impaitent...

I can understand why people would prefer a power to weight ratio, but if the person concerned does an advanced driving course or courses, then I don't see a problem with any of them owning a V8 or turbo. Lets face it, even the most gutless four banger is capable of a 100 kph in a 60 zone, so driver education should be taught as a compulsory component through school. It's the one thing that all kids will want to do at some point is get their licence.