Ecoboost whats the point

[olds]

Ok may get shot down here but I cant see anybody except fleets and taxis wanting ecoboost over the I6 . Convince me otherwise .

[4VCLEVO]

Fuel economy.

[jpd80]

ATM, fleets don't want I-6 Falcon or V6 Commodore either in petrol or LPG so they have to try something..

I don't think it would matter what engine you put in a Falcon, very few buyers want them.

[olds]

But the decision for Ecoboost would have been made three years ago not ATM

[Nikked]

Give it up olds, stop wasting bandwidth.

[olds]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Give it up olds, stop wasting bandwidth.

Top reply lots of thought put into that Thanks

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by olds

Top reply lots of thought put into that Thanks

about as much thought as the thread topic...

if you dont understand why ford would want to produce a car that is cheaper to run, cheaper to own, better for the environment, and will hopefully boost sales the there really is no point explaining it any further.

[Cashie]

Fuel economy and cheaper rego in some states.
Also, the bulk of owners might get a fuzzy feeling driving a 4 cyl over a 6 cyl.
Anything that can help Ford sell more FGs is a great thing in my book.

[Mr H]

your wife wants a camry (running costs) u convince her that fords are cool, you meet halfway.....ecoboost!!!!

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by olds

Ok may get shot down here but I cant see anybody except fleets and taxis wanting ecoboost over the I6 . Convince me otherwise .

and what do you suggest as an alternative to boost sales?

[flappist]

Originally Posted by olds

Ok may get shot down here but I cant see anybody except fleets and taxis wanting ecoboost over the I6 . Convince me otherwise .

1) $200 per year cheaper rego (in QLD anyway).
2) Cheaper to run as far as fuel is concerned without any of the compromises of LPG.
3) Longer range.
4) Lighter and better handling.
5) "Eco friendly" and "green" which to some is even more important that stripes and 20" rims.

It is important to remember than not everyone wants what you want and Falcon is available in a T4, NA6, LPG6, two different T6s and two different V8s.

Can you name another vehicle anywhere in the world with such a broad choice?

[olds]

So I fork out 36k and Im worried about 10 cent /litre in fuel costs ?

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by olds

So I fork out 36k and Im worried about 10 cent /litre in fuel costs ?

And those other people who fork out $30 grand on other 4 cyclinder cars like toyota, Honda etc also appreciate that fuel/ rego is expensive.

People who are looking at buying a 4 cyclinder car, usually want... a 4 cyclinder car! So now the Falcon is available to them, when previously they wouldnt have looked twice at it.

[olds]

People who are looking at buying a 4 cyclinder car, usually want... a 4 cyclinder car! So now the Falcon is available to them, when previously they wouldnt have looked twice at it.[/QUOTE]p

people that are looking at buying a 4 cylinder car will pay a 4 cylinder price not 6 cyclinder

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by flappist

1) $200 per year cheaper rego (in QLD anyway).
2) Cheaper to run as far as fuel is concerned without any of the compromises of LPG.
3) Longer range.
4) Lighter and better handling.
5) "Eco friendly" and "green" which to some is even more important that stripes and 20" rims.

It is important to remember than not everyone wants what you want and Falcon is available in a T4, NA6, LPG6, two different T6s and two different V8s.

Can you name another vehicle anywhere in the world with such a broad choice?

The BMW 3 and 5 series would come close, available with 4, 6 and 8 cylinders, NA and Turbo as well as diesel.

Originally Posted by olds

So I fork out 36k and Im worried about 10 cent /litre in fuel costs ?

Doesn't have to make sense, its the same with people who pay double the price of a Corolla to buy a Prius, for slightly better economy and a sense of smugness.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by olds

People who are looking at buying a 4 cyclinder car, usually want... a 4 cyclinder car! So now the Falcon is available to them, when previously they wouldnt have looked twice at it.

p

people that are looking at buying a 4 cylinder car will pay a 4 cylinder price not 6 cyclinder[/QUOTE]
What about people who pay 50k+ for a 4 cylinder 3 series or C Class Merc.

What about them.

[WILDB]

Originally Posted by olds

people that are looking at buying a 4 cylinder car will pay a 4 cylinder price not 6 cyclinder

4 cylinder price? Define that one please.

Toyota - have 4 cyl models going into the high 30s.
Honda - Some models well into the 40s.
Subaru - Ditto
Volkswagen - ditto, probably even higher.

The list goes on.

People are paying in the 30s and 40s for Focus' and Mondeos....

This thread is a waste of time.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by olds

So I fork out 36k and Im worried about 10 cent /litre in fuel costs ?

With that logic the BMW 7 series should come with the Petrol V12 twin turbo ONLY.
Hey if you are paying $200,000+ for a car you clearly don't NEED the economy of the v6 diesel 7 Series. So you might as well just pay the running costs of the gas guzzling v12. Why not.

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by olds

So I fork out 36k and Im worried about 10 cent /litre in fuel costs ?

THIS IS THE SAME USSUAL UN EDUCATED COMMENT THAT FIRES ME UP EVERY TIME. REALLY...DID YOU JUST SAY THAT 10CENTS PER LITRE OF FUEL FOR A 30K PLUS CAR ISNT WORTH IT...omg...WHAT IS EVERY OTHER CAR MAKER IN THE WORLD DOING THEN.
u do realize that ecoboost engines wernt thought and made for the falcon...they were just put in because we had them

if your asking this question you clearly havent read ANYTHING about an ecoboost falcon drive review yet..and i can garuntee you havent driven on

For your information it has stood up against some extremely staunch oposition amomong the known car reviews allready and has been taken with VERY HIGH REGARD. THATS the point of Ecoboost pal.....

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by flappist

1) $200 per year cheaper rego (in QLD anyway).
2) Cheaper to run as far as fuel is concerned without any of the compromises of LPG.
3) Longer range.
4) Lighter and better handling.
5) "Eco friendly" and "green" which to some is even more important that stripes and 20" rims.

It is important to remember than not everyone wants what you want and Falcon is available in a T4, NA6, LPG6, two different T6s and two different V8s.

Can you name another vehicle anywhere in the world with such a broad choice?

Originally Posted by Rodge

1. 74 kg's less weight over the nose giving better weight distribution and a better balanced car.
2. 13 mm lower ride height
3. Firmer spring settings giving better handling especially in conjunction with points 1 & 2 above
4. Lower registration costs
5. Reduced fuel consumption, (just becaise one bunch or jurno's getting up the cars returned only marginally better consumption doesn't mean Joe average driving in a Joe average way won't get the ~ 20% fuel savings suggested by the ADR figures)
6. Longer range
7. Obvious Fleet and Govt advantages due to fleet buying policies.
8. Greater spread of torque than the IL6 giving more relaxed driving, (max torque arrives much earlier in the rev range)

Much as many of us don't like to admitt it, most of the time we're really just cruising and I think in real world conditions the efficiency gains suggested by the much lower ADR figures of the EB will be seen by most motorists.

You both got it in one. As I said before in another thread...in Queensland, if they market this thing right, it'll sell very well. If I now had the choice between our G6E and an ecoboost G6E, it'd literally be no contest...the ecoboost would be in the driveway. In fact I'm a bit annoyed I didn't realise this was coming or I'd have held out another year and bought one of them instead.
Cheaper rego, cheaper insurance, lower running costs...the list goes on. You'd be stupid not to go for one, and given that the vast majority of drivers couldn't care less about 0-100 or quarter mile times, the thing could even have been slower than it is and it'd sell on those points...given however that it's so close in performance that no one but a motoring expert would pick them apart, that doesn't matter.

Our G6E has 43,000km on it since February last year...I'd seriously consider swapping to an ecoboost right now if I could get a good trade, given the kilometers we do.

[Brazen]

Diesel would have been much better for the Falcon, it would have transformed the appeal to fleets and private buyers. Diesel sells itself, no complex markerting message to get across to consumers, the fact that Ford don't even know how to advertise the ecoboost shows the challenge.

Personally I think a new wagon would be much more effective in gaining sales across a full range of variants including XR. People who buy brand new cars have moved on from sedans. A new body style would also freshen the range and give people a reason to look again at the FG after 4 years on sale.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Brazen

Diesel would have been much better for the Falcon, it would have transformed the appeal to fleets and private buyers. Diesel sells itself, no complex markerting message to get across to consumers, the fact that Ford don't even know how to advertise the ecoboost shows the challenge.

Personally I think a new wagon would be much more effective in gaining sales across a full range of variants including XR. People who buy brand new cars have moved on from sedans. A new body style would also freshen the range and give people a reason to look again at the FG after 4 years on sale.

Yep I would buy a Diesel over Ecoboost... More power and better economy... Still gives you the 6 appeal too.

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

You both got it in one. As I said before in another thread...in Queensland, if they market this thing right, it'll sell very well. If I now had the choice between our G6E and an ecoboost G6E, it'd literally be no contest...the ecoboost would be in the driveway. In fact I'm a bit annoyed I didn't realise this was coming or I'd have held out another year and bought one of them instead.
Cheaper rego, cheaper insurance, lower running costs...the list goes on. You'd be stupid not to go for one, and given that the vast majority of drivers couldn't care less about 0-100 or quarter mile times, the thing could even have been slower than it is and it'd sell on those points...given however that it's so close in performance that no one but a motoring expert would pick them apart, that doesn't matter.

Our G6E has 43,000km on it since February last year...I'd seriously consider swapping to an ecoboost right now if I could get a good trade, given the kilometers we do.

This is the problem, the only appeal ecoboost has is to people who would of bought an I6 anyway. It won't gain sales like diesel or a wagon would. Heck a new RTV would probably gain more sales.

[NX74205]

Originally Posted by Brazen

This is the problem, the only appeal ecoboost has is to people who would of bought an I6 anyway. It won't gain sales like diesel or a wagon would. Heck a new RTV would probably gain more sales.

On the contrary, those who would never have looked at Falcon before due to its fuel consumption might look at it again with a new, modern and efficient 4-cylinder engine in it.

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by NX74205

On the contrary, those who would never have looked at Falcon before due to its fuel consumption might look at it again with a new, modern and efficient 4-cylinder engine in it.

I disagree, the people who want that kind of engine want the package to go with it. They want xenons, push button start, voice control, moonroof, blind spot assistance. The people who don't want those features would have probably been happy with the I6 to begin with. They are trying to find the 4 people in Australia who want a sophisticated ecoboost engine coupled with a car with a lot less features than most other cars on the market.

[Nikked]

Well, yes...

[Kryton]

Its a legit question and a legit thread.
Im still waiting for Ford to tell us why we should buy one............
Seems they cant even do that.

[Falcman0o7]

Originally Posted by davway

Its a legit question and a legit thread.
Im still waiting for Ford to tell us why we should buy one............
Seems they cant even do that.

We can sneak up on a pesty cane toads! thats another environmental plus

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by olds

Ok may get shot down here but I cant see anybody except fleets and taxis wanting ecoboost over the I6 . Convince me otherwise .

And that is exactly the point so what is the problem? Government fleets in particular have a 200g/klm of CO2 threshold which the Falcon can't meet without Ecoboost. Those extra few hundred fleet sales per month are better off going to Ecoboost Falcons instead of some whitegoods on wheels from Toyota.

[minheim]

Road Warrior is spot on when he notes the limits on Gov't fleets.

Over time the ecoboost will hopefully gain a following as people realise you can have the benefits of fuel economy like a smaller car, but the power, size and performance of a six. This might make them also desirable second hand cars, which keeps fleets happy.

If so then eventually the resale of fleet falcons may in turn grow or maintain falcon sales volume (alongside sixes and lpg sales) at the expense of rivals.