Ford & Holden Police cars put on dyno

[prasac]

Sydney's largest dyno day was on yesterday, the event held at V&E Rigoli saw just under 100 car's run up on the dyno and 2 of those were Police cars. the FG XR6 Turbo making 205rwkw and the Holden V8 SS making 186rwkw. the R-Spec GT was supposed to come out, but, maybe got scared of the low number's

[FGII-XR6]

and this shows why ford don't need the XR8 anymore after all they have an XR6 that will flog an SS commy

[blue sleeper]

Wow thats lower then I thought a SS would be...

[Peter B - CV8]

Originally Posted by blue sleeper

Wow thats lower then I thought a SS would be...

Yeah - something doesn't quite add up. My stock Monaro (5.7 auto) made 186 rwkw. After a tune & diff gears it increased to 220rwkw. I would have thought a 6 litre SS would be in the low 200's

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by Peter B - CV8

Yeah - something doesn't quite add up. My stock Monaro (5.7 auto) made 186 rwkw. After a tune & diff gears it increased to 220rwkw. I would have thought a 6 litre SS would be in the low 200's

and even if it did the XR6 would make 5Kw more with 2.0L less, not a bad effort

[302 XC]

Originally Posted by Peter B - CV8

Yeah - something doesn't quite add up. My stock Monaro (5.7 auto) made 186 rwkw. After a tune & diff gears it increased to 220rwkw.

Makes the 5.7 seem dismal in the big picture ,when something with flashing lights makes more power,untouched
Tune and different diff gears on the turbo six,would be good to see
Pritty sad when the hottest of factory hotties is a 6 pot ford ........

[RAPID_BA]

Originally Posted by 302 XC

Makes the 5.7 seem dismal in the big picture ,when something with flashing lights makes more power,untouched
Tune and different diff gears on the turbo six,would be good to see
Pritty sad when the hottest of factory hotties is a 6 pot ford ........

My 5.7 LS1 has run more than 220rwkw on two dynos with a peak at 230rwkw. That is unopened.

What would diff gears do for the turbo on a dyno? make it go backwards more likely.

The SS cop car has obviously come in hot off the street (I didnt see it parked like the XR6T cop car) and torque management has pulled timing. Simple as that. That car should make 200+rwkw if it was parked like the XR6T half a day.

[FPV GTHO]

Originally Posted by RAPID_BA

My 5.7 LS1 has run more than 220rwkw on two dynos with a peak at 230rwkw. That is unopened.

What would diff gears do for the turbo on a dyno? make it go backwards more likely.

The SS cop car has obviously come in hot off the street (I didnt see it parked like the XR6T cop car) and torque management has pulled timing. Simple as that. That car should make 200+rwkw if it was parked like the XR6T half a day.

The SS isn't going to do 200rwkw when the turbo does though. It's down 10kw at the engine and the Fords are well known to be underrated.

[superfly]

Originally Posted by RAPID_BA

The SS cop car has obviously come in hot off the street (I didnt see it parked like the XR6T cop car) and torque management has pulled timing. Simple as that. That car should make 200+rwkw if it was parked like the XR6T half a day.

Sorry but are you saying a "cold" car makes more power than a "hot" car? Or was the dyno day held on a particularly hot day?

Weird though that driving it on the street (under normal conditions) pulls out timing. When does the timing get reset? On a restart of the car or a relearn of the conditions?

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by RAPID_BA

The SS cop car has obviously come in hot off the street (I didnt see it parked like the XR6T cop car) and torque management has pulled timing. Simple as that. That car should make 200+rwkw if it was parked like the XR6T half a day.

after all these years and bans you still come in with the LSx troll stick..

torque management pulling timing? unless the cops had been doing flat-out runs chasing people down the highway 10 seconds before doing the dyno run then i highly doubt it.

did he miss a gear too? hit some oil? get blinded by the sun?

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by RAPID_BA

My 5.7 LS1 has run more than 220rwkw on two dynos with a peak at 230rwkw. That is unopened.

What would diff gears do for the turbo on a dyno? make it go backwards more likely.

The SS cop car has obviously come in hot off the street (I didnt see it parked like the XR6T cop car) and torque management has pulled timing. Simple as that. That car should make 200+rwkw if it was parked like the XR6T half a day.

Do you honestly believe anything that you type?

The XR6T would probably still make more power if it was full of heat soak.

I reckon you should sell your Fords...

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by RAPID_BA

My 5.7 LS1 has run more than 220rwkw on two dynos with a peak at 230rwkw. That is unopened.

What would diff gears do for the turbo on a dyno? make it go backwards more likely.

The SS cop car has obviously come in hot off the street (I didnt see it parked like the XR6T cop car) and torque management has pulled timing. Simple as that. That car should make 200+rwkw if it was parked like the XR6T half a day.

[302 XC]

Originally Posted by RAPID_BA

My 5.7 LS1 has run more than 220rwkw on two dynos with a peak at 230rwkw. That is unopened.

What would diff gears do for the turbo on a dyno? make it go backwards more likely.

The SS cop car has obviously come in hot off the street (I didnt see it parked like the XR6T cop car) and torque management has pulled timing. Simple as that. That car should make 200+rwkw if it was parked like the XR6T half a day.

End of the day,we can make all the excuses in the world, or throw in all the tall stories we want
The ford turbo 6 pot on the day,put down more power than the commie V8 ...
End of story,void of any or all reasons

[Peuty]

Cool thread. Pessimistic dyno perhaps?

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Peuty

Cool thread. Pessimistic dyno perhaps?

Give folks the opinion they are slow and might make a run for it

Good on em for getting involved though.

[gcg2503]

Originally Posted by Peuty

Cool thread. Pessimistic dyno perhaps?

Pessimistic dyno is being polite.

That dyno is miserable!

[Mr Brooksy]

I remember reading in a caradvice blog that they put an FG XR8 up against a VE SS and they were surprised how far from reality the output of the SS had. So this doesn't really surprise me either.

[dimka100]

Doesn’t the XR6T make 225kw stock?

I noted they have the FG MkII car up there, maybe they are tuned less from the factory now???

[FGII-XR6]

that figure on the dyno is RWKW not at the flywheel so if anything it is making more than the rated 225Kw

Originally Posted by dimka100

Doesn’t the XR6T make 225kw stock?

I noted they have the FG MkII car up there, maybe they are tuned less from the factory now???

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

that figure on the dyno is RWKW not at the flywheel so if anything it is making more than the rated 225Kw

the xr6t is rated at 270KW at the fly..

the figures are certainly lower than i expected, but there are a lot of factors involved.

[FGII-XR6]

true but I guess they were all on the same dyno so the differential between the cars would still be reasonably accurate that's why it is best to use the same dyno for comparison. still shows what s good car the XR6T is compared to the SS

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

the xr6t is rated at 270KW at the fly..

the figures are certainly lower than i expected, but there are a lot of factors involved.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

the xr6t is rated at 270KW at the fly..

the figures are certainly lower than i expected, but there are a lot of factors involved.

Coppers using 91 ULP?

[dimka100]

225kw at the wheels is a typical figure for a stock FG XR6T, they are rated at 270Kw at the fly wheel … hence I was asking why the lowish 205kw result. Fuel would be unlikely since it’s the weather was not hot, and for a single dyno run the car should not trim that much (i.e. 20kw).

Originally Posted by au3xr6

that figure on the dyno is RWKW not at the flywheel so if anything it is making more than the rated 225Kw

[Professor Farnsworth]

even weth knock sensors, 91 would potentially bust rods/valves with harsh usage

[b2tf]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

even weth knock sensors, 91 would potentially bust rods/valves with harsh usage

I doubt that otherwise they would be listed as being run on 95RON only.

[prasac]

Vince's dyno is very very conservative compared to others it gives a true reading.

[EgoFalcon]

My FG ran 232 rwkw (euro 4) dead stock. Possibly the fuel but 27rwkw? Possible unhappy dyno as mine was done at autotech.

[BEN189]

I've seen several cop cars fill up at petrol stations with premium.

I heard the dyno was low on power with some cars

[Bluehoon]

Interesting.

Whether it's a low reading or not is irrevelant. The results between the two cars is very comparable. If the figures were 15 and 20 rwkw in total or 600 & 650 respectively the results are relative, which is fundamental case in point.

Look at the relativity and difference of the two and not the total sum. Per say.

Any comment over low reading dyno's, humudity, straps, tie downs or fuel really is a waste of a post....!

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Bluehoon

Interesting.

Whether it's a low reading or not is irrevelant. The results between the two cars is very comparable. If the figures were 15 and 20 rwkw in total or 600 & 650 respectively the results are relative, which is fundamental case in point.

Look at the relativity and difference of the two and not the total sum. Per say.

Any comment over low reading dyno's, humudity, straps, tie downs or fuel really is a waste of a post....!

So we arent allowed to ask or wonder why the figures are low eh?

I see what you mean re comparative results though.