Oversize

[Vesper Martini]

Just before Christmas I was pulled over and fined for not complying to regulations for an oversize Load. $295

The cop was listing a few minor things but the main one was having a OVERSIZE sign front an rear

Now I'm happy to comply with regulations, but I think its handy if I'm able to find what they are in advance.
I have a Boat sitting on a 2.49M trailer but the Boats 2.59M at its widest point.
Its pretty easy to find the trailer is compliant but not a lot about oversize and what to do about it.
anyway I'm writing a letter and pretty hopeful of getting off.

[Stefan]

I'm not sure that not knowing the rules is a valid excuse.

Costs nothing to try though

[JBomb3000]

I don't like your chances of getting off, police have been having a bit of a blitz on oversize boats from all reports http://www.wake.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=37166

[superroo]

Boat imported from USA or brought here?

Begins here on vicroads:
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/busi...light-vehicles

Road Safety (Vehicles) Regulations 2009 does list the limits but as far as I could see on a quick read, not what to do if you are over.

Perhaps follow the Yachting links on vicroads.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by superroo

Boat imported from USA or brought here?

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imported from the US, but not by me

[Vesper Martini]

Yes the Cop told me I was un lucky because they were having a Blitz.
I found that link too Superoo, and I visited Vic Roads today where they had no more information, so told me to call and ask for Mass and Dimensions.
after an hour of on/off hold on the phone I was speaking to a very experienced and frustrated Girl as she knew the regulations, but they have been removed from the website.
The regulations changed in Feb last year, I can see I'm a Class O vehicle but there used to be a Bulletin telling how to comply.

[naddis01]

You are oversize once you go over 2.5m which your boat is.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by naddis01

You are oversize once you go over 2.5m which your boat is.

That's nice to know naddis, what should I do about it??

[naddis01]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

That's nice to know naddis, what should I do about it??

Read the link that Superroo posted. It tells you in that. Or call Vic Roads again if still unsure.

In NSW for Oversize agricultural vehicles the main things you would need are oversize signs front and back, side flags and a rotating beacon. I can't see why an oversize boat would be any different to any other oversize load.

[XR Martin]

Pay the fine then get an oversize permit anytime you move your boat.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Pay the fine then get an oversize permit anytime you move your boat.

You don't need a permit, where did you read that?

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

You don't need a permit, where did you read that?

Its in the link provided above.

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/~/me...ion.ashx?la=en

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Its in the link provided above.

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/~/me...ion.ashx?la=en

This link is different from above, regardless you don't need a permit unless the load is over 150mm from the trailer width.
I have confirmed this with my hour on the phone with Vic Roads

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

This link is different from above, regardless you don't need a permit unless the load is over 150mm from the trailer width.
I have confirmed this with my hour on the phone with Vic Roads

Incorrect.
The 150mm applies if its less than 2.5m total width.

You can have a 2m trailer and 2.3m load
But you cant have a 2.4m trailer and 2.7m load.

You cannot exceed 2.5m at all unless you have a permit.

What someone tells you on the phone wont mean anything when you are pulled up by Vicroads or the Police telling you are oversize.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

This link is different from above, regardless you don't need a permit unless the load is over 150mm from the trailer width.
I have confirmed this with my hour on the phone with Vic Roads

That make no sense does it.

According to you, if your trailer is 3m wide you don't need a permit because your boat does not overhang 150mm.

[Vesper Martini]

Naddis I think you need to re read my posts. I have done this prior to posting..
I'm looking for the documentation that tells what to do when you have an oversized load, and there is none.. I don't need to call Vic Roads again and I'm not unsure.

Your example of an oversize Agricultural vehicle is different. Because it is normally carried but a heavy vehicle, ie where a Truck licence is required part of a truck licence training is how to handle an oversize load.

[naddis01]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Naddis I think you need to re read my posts. I have done this prior to posting..
I'm looking for the documentation that tells what to do when you have an oversized load, and there is none.. I don't need to call Vic Roads again and I'm not unsure.

Your example of an oversize Agricultural vehicle is different. Because it is normally carried but a heavy vehicle, ie where a Truck licence is required part of a truck licence training is how to handle an oversize load.

Reread Superroo's link. The last link in it. There is a form for light vehicle oversize permits. Otherwise ring Vic Roads again and ask exactly what you need to do to comply. Hopefully this time you get someone that can answer exactly what is needed.

By the way Agricultural vehicles can be anything from trailers through to large headers etc. A comb trailer or auger for example can be oversize yet be towed with a ute. A tractor can be driven on a car licence. So no an oversize load is an oversize load. But I was just giving an example of what we have to do. Not necessarily saying it is what you have to do.

[naddis01]

Read more here...

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/v...9309/sch7.html

9 Warning devices for class O vehicles




Sch. 7 cl. 9(1) amended by S.R. No. 150/2013 reg. 77(g)(ii).

(1) A class O vehicle that is wider than 2·5 metres or longer than 25 metres must have—

(a) one warning sign at its front; and

(b) one warning sign at its rear or, if it is carrying a rear-projecting load, at the rear of the load; and

(c) 4 brightly coloured red or yellow, or red and yellow, flags, each at least 450 millimetres long and at least 450 millimetres wide.

(2) A flag of the kind referred to in subclause (1)(c) must be positioned at each side of the front and rear—

(a) of any projecting load; or
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(b) if there is no projecting load, of the vehicle.

Sch. 7 cl. 9(3) amended by S.R. No. 150/2013 reg. 77(g)(iii).

(3) A class O vehicle that is not wider than 2·5 metres, and whose length is more than 22 metres but not more than 25 metres, must have—

(a) one warning sign at its rear; or

(b) if it is carrying a rear-projecting load, at the rear of the load.

(4) Subclauses (1), (2) and (3) do not apply to—

(a) a road construction vehicle travelling within 1 kilometre of a construction site, if the vehicle has a warning light which is operating; or

(b) a tractor; or

(c) a rigid mobile crane less than 3·1 metres wide.

Sch. 7 cl. 9(5) amended by S.R. No. 150/2013 reg. 77(g)(iv).

(5) If a load projects more than 150 millimetres beyond one side of a class O vehicle, and the projection is less than 500 millimetres thick from top to bottom, there must be—

(a) a warning light attached to the vehicle; and

(b) at least 2 yellow, rigid pieces of material ( delineators ), one attached to the front and the other attached to the rear of the projection.

(6) A delineator must—

(a) be at least 300 millimetres long and at least 300 millimetres wide; and

(b) conform with class 1 or 2 of Australian Standard AS 1906 Retro-reflective Materials and Devices for Road Traffic Control Purposes; and
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(c) if at the front of the projection, be attached so that its reflective surface is facing forward of the vehicle; and

(d) if at the rear of the projection, be attached so that its reflective surface is facing rearward from the vehicle.

Sch. 7 cl. 9(7) amended by S.R. No. 150/2013 reg. 77(g)(v).

(7) In the daytime, a class O vehicle must display a warning light if the vehicle is wider than 3 metres.


10 Additional warning lights at night

At night—

Sch. 7 cl. 10(a) amended by S.R. No. 150/2013 reg. 77(h).

(a) a class O vehicle that has a load projection must have front clearance lights and rear clearance lights and side marker lights on any part of a load that projects out from the vehicle;

Sch. 7 cl. 10(b) amended by S.R. No. 150/2013 reg. 77(h).

(b) a class O vehicle that is wider than 2·5 metres or longer than 22 metres must display a warning light.


Sch. 7 cl. 11 (Heading) amended by S.R. No. 150/2013 reg. 77(i)(i).

Sch. 7 cl. 11 amended by S.R. No. 150/2013 reg. 77(i)(ii).

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by naddis01

Read more here...

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/v...9309/sch7.html

Ok this is more helpful, but how on earth did you find that when the People at Vic roads couldn't?
I'm pretty good at finding stuff on the Web and I couldn't either

[naddis01]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Ok this is more helpful, but how on earth did you find that when the People at Vic roads couldn't?
I'm pretty good at finding stuff on the Web and I couldn't either

5 minutes on Google.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by naddis01

5 minutes on Google.

I always end up here:
http://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/

IMO less computer savvy people have no hope

[XR Martin]

Keep in mind if you dont have a permit and the applicable signs when travelling you may as well cancel your insurance because it wont be valid anyway.

[Gaz]

Get a grinder and shave 5mm off each side? Probably easier!

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Gaz

Get a grinder and shave 5mm off each side? Probably easier!

This is what we joked about at VIC Roads, they were even registering a boat at the time I was there which had an overhang.
they are no concerned over such small overhangs

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Gaz

Get a grinder and shave 5mm off each side? Probably easier!

Would need to be 50 mm actual- well 45 to be exact!

I was thinking the same thing - however does the boat have some sort of ID tag that states length and width etc? (Is this how they knew you were oversize or did they pull out a tape measure?)

What a lot of pain for 9cm.

This may be a stupid suggestion, but would it be at all possible to rig up something that loads then tilts the boat?

Nah - forget that idea! The top half of the boat will eventually widen the overall width again if it id angled too far.

[Vesper Martini]

[QUOTE=Yellow_Festiva;5307126]Would need to be 50 mm actual- well 45 to be exact!

I was thinking the same thing - however does the boat have some sort of ID tag that states length and width etc? (Is this how they knew you were oversize or did they pull out a tape measure?)

What a lot of pain for 9cm.

[QUOTE]

The Cop has a special app on his phone that tells the dimensions of the boat when you put in the make/model, it would be near impossible to measure with a tape as its sort of an oval shaped boat.
But they did get the tape out for the trailer.

[XR Martin]

To quote VicRoads

"A load may project 150mm from the outermost part of the vehicle. However the maximum overall width of any vehicle or load must not exceed 2.5m"

[naddis01]

I would be getting the permit in the link that Martin posted if I was you for the reasons he mentioned. That permit came from the link that Superroo posted.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by naddis01

I would be getting the permit in the link that Martin posted if I was you for the reasons he mentioned. That permit came from the link that Superroo posted.

What every time I tow it? the Police didn't even ask for a Permit

[XR Martin]

It states down the bottom of this document your allowable width overhangs. Project no more than 150mm each side, as long as it does not exceed 2.5m

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/~/me...ria.ashx?la=en

Just because some says something, doesnt not over rule what is actually written down as regulations. Unless youve got their name and have recorded the conversation it will mean nothing the next time a VicRoads officer pulls you over, and if he's having a bad day he can force you to not to go any further till you get the applicable permits.

Also as I said before it can result in your insurance being void if there is an accident.

I know of a truck driver who had it happen to them because the truck was 30cm too long (due to a bull bar)