Older V8s, do they still have a place?

[HULK_I6T]

Driving about you still see a fair few older cars fitted with V8s. People with newer cars poke fun at them as performance standards have moved a long way in modern times.

When considering basic family cars like the Toyota Aurion, many of these older V8s (without major modification) perform mediocre by comparison. An aurion will show most these older V8s a set of tail lights and just keep pulling away whilst returning 10L/100km economy.

V8s were always associated with being a performance offering, but when considered against Today's standards of performance the older V8s seem to be little more than gas guzzling tanks that are well behind on performance

For Holden the LS1 and on seem to be strong by today's standards and from the holden 5.0v8 backwards seem lacklustre.

for ford anything Windsor V8 and back seem mediocre and from the b series 5.4 (boss/3V) are probably the cutoff for still pretty strong by today's standards.

Do these older V8s still have their place? Or are they now mocked and ridiculed by other drivers as well behind the times.

[Franco Cozzo]

I think that the Windsor from the 1990s has a hard time justifying its existence as its pretty damn average.

[Brodes]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

Do these older V8s still have their place?

Yes, they're called, or at some point will be labelled, classics.

Or are they now mocked and ridiculed by other drivers as well behind the times.

Not sure who you've been talking to, but it sounds like they have their heads up their a**. New cars will (should) always be an improvement, some prefer previous models, often as a hobby. I can't say I've ever met anyone who's laughed at me because I still own a '96 Falcon with an "outdated" Windsor, or a '76 GT with a "mediocre" Cleveland, if I did I'd laugh straight back at them.

[Nikked]

Yep, they haveaa place. Right between the place of my AU's chassis rails. Only a 5.slow, but who cares. More to life then worrying about a aurion traffic light races!

[Brodes]

I will also mention that a vast number of the population cannot afford a new performance V8 but still desire to own one so they purchase an old model. This is also where they have their place. Shame on those who laugh at these people too.

Pointless thread IMO.

[chopstar87]

the GTHO Phase III.. is an older V8... is now easily beaten by a FG XR6 N/a.... but is worth $500k+ or a Stock XC Cobra... old school V8, slower then HO III and again a good one is worth $100k+.. so obviously they do have a place. because people are welling to pay a lot for these vehicle.. even thou the car world has moved on from their tech and performance. cars aren't all about speed.. cars are different things to different people.

Myself.. I admire Fast cars, would love one but at the moment, Tech, Luxury and features are my requirements of my car, as its my daily drive.. but that doesn't stop me looking at an old school V8 for a toy down the track. it probably wouldn't be as fast as my Current 210kw V6 (depending on what I get of course), but it still would be a hoot to drive and I would get a lot of enjoyment out of it... so yes, there is certainly is a place for them... and if you have to ask the question, then you don't get or understand the attraction of an old school V8 and probably never will.

I love the modern car and all its benefits, but I still would love to have an old school V8 for a 2nd car/toy for me.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by chopstar87

the GTHO Phase III.. is an older V8... is now easily beaten by a FG XR6 N/a.... but is worth $500k+ or a Stock XC Cobra... old school V8, slower then HO III and again a good one is worth $100k+.. so obviously they do have a place. because people are welling to pay a lot for these vehicle.. even thou the car world has moved on from their tech and performance. cars aren't all about speed.. cars are different things to different people.

Even if its "worth $500K" you would be sitting it on the market for a LONG time waiting to sell it before someone comes around and shells out $500K on a car from the 1970s.

[mik]

Originally Posted by chopstar87

the GTHO Phase III.. is an older V8... is now easily beaten by a FG XR6 N/a.... but is worth $500k+ or a Stock XC Cobra... old school V8, slower then HO III and again a good one is worth $100k+.. so obviously they do have a place. because people are welling to pay a lot for these vehicle.. even thou the car world has moved on from their tech and performance. cars aren't all about speed.. cars are different things to different people.

Myself.. I admire Fast cars, would love one but at the moment, Tech, Luxury and features are my requirements of my car, as its my daily drive.. but that doesn't stop me looking at an old school V8 for a toy down the track. it probably wouldn't be as fast as my Current 210kw V6 (depending on what I get of course), but it still would be a hoot to drive and I would get a lot of enjoyment out of it... so yes, there is certainly is a place for them... and if you have to ask the question, then you don't get or understand the attraction of an old school V8 and probably never will.

I love the modern car and all its benefits, but I still would love to have an old school V8 for a 2nd car/toy for me.

An XY easily beaten by an fg na6 might be an exaggeration i think ?

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by chopstar87

the GTHO Phase III.. is an older V8... is now easily beaten by a FG XR6 N/a.... but is worth $500k+ or a Stock XC Cobra... old school V8, slower then HO III and again a good one is worth $100k+.. so obviously they do have a place. because people are welling to pay a lot for these vehicle.. even thou the car world has moved on from their tech and performance. cars aren't all about speed.. cars are different things to different people.

N/A XR6 aint beating a GTHO Phase 3

A Phase 3 will do a flat 14 second 1/4 mile...a B Series GT, 32 years later stuggle to match it.

It's only in the last 5 years we have surged ahead in performance, but a N/A XR6 ain't doing flat 14 second quaters.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Stefan

N/A XR6 aint beating a GTHO Phase 3

A Phase 3 will do a flat 14 second 1/4 mile...a B Series GT, 32 years later stuggle to match it.

It's only in the last 5 years we have surged ahead in performance, but a N/A XR6 ain't doing flat 14 second quaters.

FG XT kicked a GTHO Phase IIIs *** around Top Gear Australia's test track.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

FG XT kicked a GTHO Phase IIIs *** around Top Gear Australia's test track.

Who cares? no one is racing around a track, but you might just blow one off from a 0-60 in a traffic light dual.

Plus its a small tight track around a few witcheds hats...so probably a pointless test, I also recall them not thrashing a $500K collectible.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Who cares? no one is racing around a track, but you might just blow one off from a 0-60 in a traffic light dual.

Plus its a small tight track around a few witcheds hats...so probably a pointless test, I also recall them not thrashing a $500K collectible.

Sorry, wasn't the GTHO Phase III designed to race around a track?

[HULK_I6T]

Originally Posted by Stefan

N/A XR6 aint beating a GTHO Phase 3

A Phase 3 will do a flat 14 second 1/4 mile...a B Series GT, 32 years later stuggle to match it.

It's only in the last 5 years we have surged ahead in performance, but a N/A XR6 ain't doing flat 14 second quaters.

An old GTHO won't run a flat 14.. Lucky if they go 14.5.. All the other old V8s are way slower than this too.

A family man in his Aurion does 14.2.. They are lurking everywhere too.

Old V8 owners in the modern day roll up to the lights thumping away and stinkin of fuel scared of most cars that rolls up at the lights.. If an Aurion rolls up the ol V8 owner will have to pretend they are playing with the radio as the lights go green so as not to provoke the Aurion driver into action

[damo76]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

An old GTHO won't run a flat 14.. Lucky if they go 14.5.. All the other old V8s are way slower than this too.

A family man in his Aurion does 14.2.. They are lurking everywhere too.

Old V8 owners in the modern day roll up to the lights thumping away and stinkin of fuel scared of most cars that rolls up at the lights.. If an Aurion rolls up the ol V8 owner will have to pretend they are playing with the radio as the lights go green so as not to provoke the Aurion driver into action

Do you work for toyota? you can stick that aurion where .... all cars toyota make a bland, dull and boring.

[Bent8]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

An old GTHO won't run a flat 14.. Lucky if they go 14.5.. All the other old V8s are way slower than this too.

A family man in his Aurion does 14.2.. They are lurking everywhere too.

Old V8 owners in the modern day roll up to the lights thumping away and stinkin of fuel scared of most cars that rolls up at the lights.. If an Aurion rolls up the ol V8 owner will have to pretend they are playing with the radio as the lights go green so as not to provoke the Aurion driver into action

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone here is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[mik]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

An old GTHO won't run a flat 14.. Lucky if they go 14.5.. All the other old V8s are way slower than this too.

A family man in his Aurion does 14.2.. They are lurking everywhere too.

Old V8 owners in the modern day roll up to the lights thumping away and stinkin of fuel scared of most cars that rolls up at the lights.. If an Aurion rolls up the ol V8 owner will have to pretend they are playing with the radio as the lights go green so as not to provoke the Aurion driver into action

about the only place an aurion would get near an XY GT in a straight line is traction off the line, the GT is lighter than the aurion and has a load more power, and 500 odd nm of torque,.......... the aurion has 336 nm of torque.......... the GT also came out with different diff ratios, which obviously give different results in 1/4 mile tests,
but mate i would even put a dead stock standard non phase 3 XY GT 3 speed auto up against anything your currently driving in a straight line , and mate i gaurantee you`d ****ya self, because even with 3 gears the big 44 year old GT wouldnt be far off your rear bumper even if it was a shade behind over the qaurter.

and while 1/4 mile times vary in tests i did have mags with the GTHO running straight 14.0 seconds, of course that was when they where younger(me too ).

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

An old GTHO won't run a flat 14.. Lucky if they go 14.5.. All the other old V8s are way slower than this too.

1970's tyre technology was the "achilles heel" of a GTHO.
Ditch the aquajets and throw a set of M/Ts on a HO and let's see?

[b2tf]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

1970's tyre technology was the "achilles heel" of a GTHO.
Ditch the aquajets and throw a set of M/Ts on a HO and let's see?

But why bother, theyre pointless remember?

[HULK_I6T]

Originally Posted by chopstar87

the GTHO Phase III.. is an older V8... is now easily beaten by a FG XR6 N/a.... but is worth $500k+ or a Stock XC Cobra... old school V8, slower then HO III and again a good one is worth $100k+.. so obviously they do have a place. because people are welling to pay a lot for these vehicle.. even thou the car world has moved on from their tech and performance. cars aren't all about speed.. cars are different things to different people.

Old V8s such as A GTHO is only worth anything to a collector of such car that has some cash burning a whole in his pocket. Very rare to see a sale. It's not like there is a stock exchange where the value is published, it's not currency. Some people (most) won't pay more than $1000 for an old V8, try trade in a GTHO at a Ferrari dealer and see if they will swap you and give you money on top lol.. They would give someone a kick in the pants and fling them out the door.

When you actually look at the car, a Toyota Aurion is demonstratively better in all aspects.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

They would give someone a kick in the pants and fling them out the door.

I prefered it last time when you said something like ' they would drag you out the back and throw you off the balcony' made me LOL.

Hulk, you should give public speeches at the Summernats, right before the girls go on stage to fired the boyz up.

[mik]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

Old V8s such as A GTHO is only worth anything to a collector of such car that has some cash burning a whole in his pocket. Very rare to see a sale. It's not like there is a stock exchange where the value is published, it's not currency. Some people (most) won't pay more than $1000 for an old V8, try trade in a GTHO at a Ferrari dealer and see if they will swap you and give you money on top lol.. They would give someone a kick in the pants and fling them out the door.

When you actually look at the car, a Toyota Aurion is demonstratively better in all aspects.

have you ever driven one ?

[mik]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

Driving about you still see a fair few older cars fitted with V8s. People with newer cars poke fun at them as performance standards have moved a long way in modern times.

When considering basic family cars like the Toyota Aurion, many of these older V8s (without major modification) perform mediocre by comparison. An aurion will show most these older V8s a set of tail lights and just keep pulling away whilst returning 10L/100km economy.

V8s were always associated with being a performance offering, but when considered against Today's standards of performance the older V8s seem to be little more than gas guzzling tanks that are well behind on performance

For Holden the LS1 and on seem to be strong by today's standards and from the holden 5.0v8 backwards seem lacklustre.

for ford anything Windsor V8 and back seem mediocre and from the b series 5.4 (boss/3V) are probably the cutoff for still pretty strong by today's standards.

Do these older V8s still have their place? Or are they now mocked and ridiculed by other drivers as well behind the times.

Its not always about kw`s , its also about torque and smoothness , i can only assume you have not been in many old school v8`s, because what ever their quarter mile figures where/are , they are still very nice effortless cruisers even in this day and age.

[marty351]

Originally Posted by mik

Its not always about kw`s , its also about torque and smoothness , i can only assume you have not been in many old school v8`s, because what ever their quarter mile figures where/are , they are still very nice effortless cruisers even in this day and age.

After owning a old school 351 torque monster, effortlessly pulling up steep hills at
1400rpm still accelerating, hearing the much smaller V6 reving its guts out to achieve the same... we can live in both worlds, just not at the same time.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by marty351

After owning a old school 351 torque monster, effortlessly pulling up steep hills at
1400rpm still accelerating, hearing the much smaller V6 reving its guts out to achieve the same... we can live in both worlds, just not at the same time.

Very valid, when I bought my BF GT, it had no torque off idle, then ramped up from 4,500rpm then hit the limiter at just over 6,000 rpm, so you have like 1,500rpm were you actuall have decent performance, very hard to drive fast and very often you'd be blown away at the lights by a 4 cylinder simply because you were in the wrong gear.

My stock XY GT and XA GT with 351 clevos have power straight off idle everywhere.

The S/C 5.0 is probably good, but everything before has been pretty poor even 30 of 40 years after the original big bangers.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

Do these older V8s still have their place? Or are they now mocked and ridiculed by other drivers as well behind the times.

Funny thing is older V8's are now classics, no one is moking them because most wished they owned one.

The only ones would say are being mocked for irrelevance be a B-Series Falcon, like a lime green XR6-T, the owner obviously can't afford a new car, or a classic.....just a tired old falcon.

[noflac52]

I own an aurion and an older V8 and I don't laugh at anybody. As a car enthusiast I say each to their own and even though its not my bag I see a newer generation of car enthusiasts drifting and doing burnout comps and I say great our sport is alive and well!

As to the assertion that v8's were always associated with performance, that's not really correct because a lot of them were associated with big luxury cars and cars for towing caravans etc. These were never built for performance but were built to have lots of torque to do the job they were designed for.

Its still great if you have got a big load to have it behind a torquey v8 loping along.

[WHYME]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Funny thing is older V8's are now classics, no one is moking them because most wished they owned one.

The only ones would say are being mocked for irrelevance be a B-Series Falcon, like a lime green XR6-T, the owner obviously can't afford a new car, or a classic.....just a tired old falcon.

Don't make me laugh Stefan, are you saying it's sad to own an XR6-T now? Some people don't want to own a classic, or a newer car. The XR6T offers a lot of bang for buck, double standards much?

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Fully6

Don't make me laugh Stefan, are you saying it's sad to own an XR6-T now? Some people don't want to own a classic, or a newer car. The XR6T offers a lot of bang for buck, double standards much?

What I'm saying is I relation to the OP. There seem to be three categories of cars

1 new car..
2 old car...
3 classic

A B series xr6t is currently in 2, which is probably where an owner might get mocked.

IMO nothing wrong with a XR6T, I think they're awesome but to the general public they are much more likely to be seen as just an old falcon than my XYGT or my XA GT.

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by Stefan

What I'm saying is I relation to the OP. There seem to be three categories of cars

1 new car..
2 old car...
3 classic

A B series xr6t is currently in 2, which is probably where an owner might get mocked.

IMO nothing wrong with a XR6T, I think they're awesome but to the general public they are much more likely to be seen as just an old falcon than my XYGT or my XA GT.

I agree with this too a point. In saying that I have seen people with classics get mocked about having a different set of wheels or because its not original etc, I've seen all 3 get mocked the new FG-X has people that say it looks like a Lancer etc. I guess it really comes down to a matter of opinion

[WHYME]

Originally Posted by Stefan

What I'm saying is I relation to the OP. There seem to be three categories of cars

1 new car..
2 old car...
3 classic

A B series xr6t is currently in 2, which is probably where an owner might get mocked.

IMO nothing wrong with a XR6T, I think they're awesome but to the general public they are much more likely to be seen as just an old falcon than my XYGT or my XA GT.

Fair enough, but where do the B series/ FG FPV's fall into these categories? I can assure you no one was laughing at my RSPEC Typhoon when I owned it. Also if there's a mint BA/BF XR6 Turbo I'm sure it's appreciated, as most are thrashed these days and hard to find in good nick.