Club plates in Vic

[buggerlugs]

Was down in Vic over easter. What's with the brown club plates ? A Commodore Vacationer wagon running round with a family and full of groceries, a Nissan Skyline and a Commodore ute full of firewood !!! What special conditions are there to obtain one of these plates ?

[Trevor 57]

Car has to be over 25 years old and the owner has to be a member of a Vicroads approved car club - basically that is it

They are required to complete a log book while more than 100 metres from home, and are limited to a maximum of 90 days driving

There are shonky people out there, many 25 year old vehicles wouldn't be deemed as ''classic" or "historic" but the rules are the rules, personally as the owner of a '66 XP Falcon Coupe I get a little ****ed off at the blatant abuse of the club rego scheme

Most of the governance of the club plate program is left to the car clubs themselves

[buggerlugs]

That is why I was surprised Trev, the 3 vehicles I looked at were stock as a rock and certainly not "Classics"........

[Hulsty]

Only rule really is vehicle must be 25 years or older, have a full roady, fill out the log book and be a vic roads approved club member.

[Franco Cozzo]

This club

http://kprcc.com.au/

Mainly exists just to get the club rego scheme on your cars.

[MDS69]

There is about to be a big clean up of the club rego scheme in Victoria. Some of the junk on H plates is a joke.

[Bearman]

Originally Posted by MDS69

There is about to be a big clean up of the club rego scheme in Victoria. Some of the junk on H plates is a joke.

About to be?? Tell us more.

I thought this had already been done and is now in force.

[mik]

I thought about putting my old 1990 lexus ls400 on it, I don't know if you guys would call it a classic, but I think it is, the first model of the series and the most iconic imo, it only gets driven for less than half the year it's totally stock and is roadworthy.

[Silver Ghia]

Yes, the changes are now in force, but they wont stop the questionable cars from retaining their club plates, nor even new ones gaining club plates. All they do is ensure the cars are not greatly modified, and a proper RWC is obtained rather than a club official declaring it roadworthy when getting the plates.

Camper vans are a good example where they are only driven a limited number of days each year to go camping etc. so they suit the club plate scheme well. Ridiculous.

[Grippy]

Cars now needing a full RWC will thin out new people taking advantage of the scheme a little. Our car club has been informed that Police will be doing more checks and issuing defects to any club plated cars driving on public roads that aren't roadworthy.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Grippy

Cars now needing a full RWC will thin out new people taking advantage of the scheme a little. Our car club has been informed that Police will be doing more checks and issuing defects to any club plated cars driving on public roads that aren't roadworthy.

It will be difficult to detect cars that really should be in the M class that are currently on H plates

The compulsory initial roadworthy only applies to vehicles new to the scheme

[Bearman]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

It will be difficult to detect cars that really should be in the M class that are currently on H plates

The compulsory initial roadworthy only applies to vehicles new to the scheme

True, but my understanding is it only takes one cop to "form a belief" that the car does not comply and defect it. The car owner will need a RWC to lift the defect.

Whether the cops or VicRoads notify the club concerned or not I don't know. What the impact is again, I don't know but what I do know is that CPS plated cars will be getting a lot more unwelcome attention.

[GTP-RPD]

We have a cut off in SA of Jan 1979. Historic not available for anything built after that date for now. No scheme whatsoever for modified vehicles (currently under review) at the moment and no little brown plates signifying your a historic vehicle on conditional registration. It is a bloody good scheme that we jealously guard and respect. you can use your vehicle up to 90 times a year. Car basically has to be OEM.

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by GTP-RPD

We have a cut off in SA of Jan 1979. Historic not available for anything built after that date for now. No scheme whatsoever for modified vehicles (currently under review) at the moment and no little brown plates signifying your a historic vehicle on conditional registration. It is a bloody good scheme that we jealously guard and respect. you can use your vehicle up to 90 times a year. Car basically has to be OEM.

Sounds like a better scheme than in Vic. Whats the cost per year?

[GTP-RPD]

Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

Sounds like a better scheme than in Vic. Whats the cost per year?

Its a little over $100 per year in SA from memory. I forgot to mention the Street rodders have historic as well. A bit more strict in the sense. You must be a member of a recognized rod club and I think your chassis/rod must be pre 1949. The vehicle has to be inspected by a certified person form the club who can verify the vehicle chassis etc. as being pre 1949. Engineered and approved modifications are permitted.

You also need to provide a stat dec to your club every year detailing any modifications made.

[Franco Cozzo]

If I had a classic car I'd doubt I'd have it on historic rego if it has to be OEM, all my cars are modified.

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

If I had a classic car I'd doubt I'd have it on historic rego if it has to be OEM, all my cars are modified.

There is a category for modified cars. 'M' club plates.

[Trevor 57]

Just to put the 25 years in perspective, that is a EAII and a VN Commodore, certainly not classics in my opinion

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Just to put the 25 years in perspective, that is a EAII and a VN Commodore, certainly not classics in my opinion

see I don't have a problem with people classing these as classics, lets face it Wilkinshaw VL's VN Group A's etc can be considered modern day classics

And like wise shortly EB's and XR8's will come in to that age

The ones I think are wrong are the VN hack with 1 missing hubcap chaser rims on the back bubbled window tint etc that are really just using it to avoid paying full freight rego

[buickman]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Just to put the 25 years in perspective, that is a EAII and a VN Commodore, certainly not classics in my opinion

Well I beg to differ a VN SS and Group A are 25 years old and meet the criteria, also are increasing in value and are not oil leakers like a lot of the older cars especially English makes. If the car is over 25 years old it’s not breaking any rules if driver fills in their log books.
What I find unfair in the new rules is if a car has been forced to be converted to RHD and previously registered in Australia it now has to have an engineer’s report as well as a roadworthy.

[OzJavelin]

Originally Posted by buickman

Well I beg to differ a VN SS and Group A are 25 years old and meet the criteria, also are increasing in value and are not oil leakers like a lot of the older cars especially English makes. If the car is over 25 years old it’s not breaking any rules if driver fills in their log books.
What I find unfair in the new rules is if a car has been forced to be converted to RHD and previously registered in Australia it now has to have an engineer’s report as well as a roadworthy.

Really? I have one of those ('70 Fury convertible) which I still have all the rego stuff from Qld (plates, papers, etc). Being an old conversion I doubt it would pass current engineering standards.

I'll have to look into that one closer ..

:(

.. might end up getting EBay'd (back to Qld) instead of going though that trama (done it once for LHD full rego)

[OzJavelin]

Originally Posted by buickman

What I find unfair in the new rules is if a car has been forced to be converted to RHD and previously registered in Australia it now has to have an engineer’s report as well as a roadworthy.

Hopefully I'm reading this right .. but in VSI-33

4.4 Imported vehicles
An imported vehicle, for which admission to CPS is being sought, must have Australian registration history or a copy of the Vehicle Import Approval issued by the Commonwealth Government relating to the vehicle will be required.
Further, imported vehicles without registration history that were built after 1968 require a VASS Approval Certificate demonstrating compliance with any applicable ADRs.
An imported vehicle that has undergone an assessable modification that has not been previously registered in its modified condition in Australia must be issued with a VASS Club Permit Approval Certificate.

It's the last sentence I'm intepreting as:
"An imported vehicle that has undergone an assessable modification (RHD conversion) that HAS been previously registered in its modified condition in Australia does not require a VASS Club Permit Approval Certificate."

Thoughts?

[buickman]

Originally Posted by OzJavelin

Hopefully I'm reading this right .. but in VSI-33


It's the last sentence I'm intepreting as:
"An imported vehicle that has undergone an assessable modification (RHD conversion) that HAS been previously registered in its modified condition in Australia does not require a VASS Club Permit Approval Certificate."

Thoughts?

I'm listening to old club members panicking that their RHD converted cars from years ago and some have quiet a few sitting idle in sheds will have to have a VASS Club Permit Approval Certificate as well as a RWC. So I was concerned that my old 1975 Electra I'm gradually restoring might have to re-go another engineers report even though its a Chapel conversion.
It has given myself a bit of relief as I was having trouble trying to locate Vic Roads interpretation on the RHD conversions. thanks

[neptune blue]

Originally Posted by buickman

I'm listening to old club members panicking that their RHD converted cars from years ago and some have quiet a few sitting idle in sheds will have to have a VASS Club Permit Approval Certificate as well as a RWC. So I was concerned that my old 1975 Electra I'm gradually restoring might have to re-go another engineers report even though its a Chapel conversion.
It has given myself a bit of relief as I was having trouble trying to locate Vic Roads interpretation on the RHD conversions. thanks

I thought all conversions needed certification with the only exception those company's licenced to do conversions ( compliance plate)

[Trevor 57]

Categories are basically
* H - fairly original
* M - modified (new category)
* SR - street rod

[Franco Cozzo]

So whats the difference between M and SR?

What are the limits on the modifications you can have?

[XAO71]

Qld Club rego still the old system, Drive 15km radius or designated location within reasonable distance, etc 200km, club need to be notified with letter. Best part we can run personalized number plates.

[smciner1]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

So whats the difference between M and SR?

What are the limits on the modifications you can have?

SR is for pre 1948 and M is for post 1948.

As far as I know, modifications for M are stuff that needs to be "Engineered" for regular Rego. This now covers Cars that have now been converted from Left Hand Drive to Right Hand Drive, even if otherwise stock.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by smciner1

SR is for pre 1948 and M is for post 1948.

As far as I know, modifications for M are stuff that needs to be "Engineered" for regular Rego. This now covers Cars that have now been converted from Left Hand Drive to Right Hand Drive, even if otherwise stock.

Excellent, so for example you could have an engine conversion without needing emisisons/engineers cert done like you would in a normal rego car?

Say 1960s car with LS3 or something.

[smciner1]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Excellent, so for example you could have an engine conversion without needing emisisons/engineers cert done like you would in a normal rego car?

Say 1960s car with LS3 or something.

No, you need full Enineering, SAME as for regular Rego.