XR8 Sprint vs Clubsport LSA drag race video

[fgpsi]

http://www.motormag.com.au/features/...int-drag-race/

[Express]

I'd be interested to see what happens when they swap out the tyres.

Even running with DSC on and letting the electronics manage the wheelspin resulted in 5.2sec 0-100km/h and a 13.3sec quarter mile.

It appears the blame lies with the tyres. The rear Pirelli P Zeros still had plenty of tread and worked well on the road, but the suspicion is they were past their best in terms of ultimate performance and with this level of torque, they need to be at their best!

This isn't the end of the story, as we have plans to give the Sprints their best chance of running the numbers they're capable of.

[mick74GT]

It seems they really are trying to give the sprints every opportunity to run the times they are capable of. Interested to see the re runs and what the 6 can do.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Express

I'd be interested to see what happens when they swap out the tyres.

Might make it a little quicker in first gear, but after that, the video is pretty clear - the HSV has its measure comfortably once rolling. Considering the price difference, it's hardly a defeat though, is it?

[asagaai]

Originally Posted by b0son

Might make it a little quicker in first gear, but after that, the video is pretty clear - the HSV has its measure comfortably once rolling. Considering the price difference, it's hardly a defeat though, is it?

I agree with what you say.

But what I can say, is that my FGX XR8 with intercooler was MUCH closer to a new BMW M3 than the Sprint 8 was to the HSV, and that was me giving the M3 the start off the line. The M3 is 4.1 seconds to 100.

My car had 275 Nexen SU1s on rear.

What this says to me is that those tyres on the sprint were not working, or an intercooler on a Miami makes that big a difference, or a combination of both.

In any event, get an intercooler and tune and on my experience with the BMW M3, you will have a Sprint or XR8 for some $8,000 extra that goes faster in acceleration than the HSV or the BMW M3- and that there is serious bang for your buck....

Ford has given a great engine that is detuned and non intercooled, the M3 and HSV supercharged versions are all intercooled. Intercool the Ford and tune to even the playing field....

[NX74205]

I wonder how the XR6 Sprint would've fared.

[Sabantien]

Swap tyres, and possibly swap drivers?
They should be throwing in the 6 too.

[Sprint]

Originally Posted by Sabantien

Swap tyres, and possibly swap drivers?
They should be throwing in the 6 too.

there is no such thing as a xr6 sprint in my eyes, unless you go back to the xp falcon lol.

[ford man xf]

The Clubsport is the superior of the two chasis.

[.:4:.]

Its all one eye in my opinion.. look at the re run of the gtf vs gts. The first run they made a note of not letting the gtf warm up. Even still they are comparing a premium hsv to a car you can (could?) buy off a ford lot. Give it a year and let the used car reviews tell the story.

[Dave R]

Those LSA Clubsports definitely have some balls. The XR6 Sprint will need to be quite a bit faster than the XR8 if it's going to challenge the GTS. I think it might.

[Bent8]

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

Those LSA Clubsports definitely have some balls. The XR6 Sprint will need to be quite a bit faster than the XR8 if it's going to challenge the GTS. I think it might.

Most people seem to forget the intercooled LSA is around 20 percent larger in cubic capacity over the Miami, and with a price tag that is not comparable to the Sprint's.

Imagine what you could do with an XR8 Sprint and $20k in your pocket

If you ask me, it's amazing how that non-intercooled 5.0 makes 97% of the LSA's torque output from the factory !

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Bent8

Most people seem to forget the intercooled LSA is around 20 percent larger in cubic capacity over the Miami, and with a price tag that is not comparable to the Sprint's.

Imagine what you could do with an XR8 Sprint and $20k in your pocket

If you ask me, it's amazing how that non-intercooled 5.0 makes 97% of the LSA's torque output from the factory !

Perhaps 97% of peak torque, but the LSA delivers more of it more of the time thanks to those cubes.

[jandj]

Unfortunately can't match cubic inches , would be interesting to see an intercooler fitted to sprint and redo to race.

[edchung2000]

The funny thing is, in the same issue, there is a tyre test including the Pirellis, and the winner is... the Dunlops!!

[arronm]

Not what I expected. LSA walks away. The roll ons show it. Tyres won't make that much difference.

The sprint 6 will get closer. But it don't think it will beat it

[SensationFG8]

Originally Posted by arronm

Not what I expected. LSA walks away. The roll ons show it.

Not sure what you mean here, I don't think the roll on showed the R8 walking away at all.

What I saw in the roll on was the cars staying even for the first part, then you hear the XR8 change gears and the R8 pulls ahead a bit and stays at an even point ahead for a few seconds. Then the XR8 catches up again to be more or less even again. I don't know if that's because they backed off or the R8 changed gears because you cant hear its engine noise.

This is also supported by this statement from the article.

After all, both cars recorded identical 2.5sec 80-120km/h times.

Was the R8 a manual or auto?

[arronm]

Originally Posted by SensationFG8

Not sure what you mean here, I don't think the roll on showed the R8 walking away at all.

What I saw in the roll on was the cars staying even for the first part, then you hear the XR8 change gears and the R8 pulls ahead a bit and stays at an even point ahead for a few seconds. Then the XR8 catches up again to be more or less even again. I don't know if that's because they backed off or the R8 changed gears because you cant hear its engine noise.





Was the R8 a manual or auto?

Did you watch the same video as me. The VF continues to pull away and then backs off. Sorry but this time the Holden is quicker.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by arronm

Did you watch the same video as me. The VF continues to pull away and then backs off. Sorry but this time the Holden is quicker.

This test the Holden is quicker...

Big deal. Same **** different day.

I can make a Camry do 0 - 100 in 5 seconds flat.. Just down a very steep hill.

[Rsmedley1234]

Originally Posted by arronm

Not what I expected. LSA walks away. The roll ons show it. Tyres won't make that much difference.

The sprint 6 will get closer. But it don't think it will beat it

Roll on shows it???? From 50-170 the Clubby only pulled 1 car length

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Rsmedley1234

Roll on shows it???? From 50-170 the Clubby only pulled 1 car length

So I'm the only one who thought the HSV driver didn't keep the boot in? In the rolling start video, the HSV starts leaving it behind, then loses virtually all of its advantage ... did he lift? The falcon didn't lose anywhere near as much ground on its gear change

[Rsmedley1234]

Originally Posted by b0son

So I'm the only one who thought the HSV driver didn't keep the boot in? In the rolling start video, the HSV starts leaving it behind, then loses virtually all of its advantage ... did he lift? The falcon didn't lose anywhere near as much ground on its gear change

The Miami is very strong down low and up high, the Xr8 all but matches the Clubby when it is nearing the end of rpm, but mid range the clubby is stronger, as is the Xr6.

[SensationFG8]

Given the conditions and result I don't think the sprint was operating outside overboost so I don't think adding an intercooler would change the result.

Dont forget if it's cool and you haven't been driving hard for a long time you'll pretty much always be on overboost. It's only once the intake temps get up it pulls things back.

[asagaai]

Originally Posted by SensationFG8

Given the conditions and result I don't think the sprint was operating outside overboost so I don't think adding an intercooler would change the result.

Dont forget if it's cool and you haven't been driving hard for a long time you'll pretty much always be on overboost. It's only once the intake temps get up it pulls things back.

An intercooler provides a denser air charge, putting aside timing, so there is a benefit of itself.

But the real benefit of the intercooler is that you can enable the Miami to have a more aggressive tune, ie a tune that the engine with intercooler was designed to run on.

The LSA has an intercooler, and has a tune with that component in place.

The Miami was designed to run an intercooler in the intake plenum, but Ford pulled it and the tune was detuned to balance no intercooler.

I know, if my car is tuned and gets 50 kw more at the rear, my XR8 will be faster than a turbo M3...traction up to 70 kph being another issue.

I also think that the LSA will be quicker than a 6 sprint, the Ford boys testing the Sprints said the fastest on optimum take off was a manual Sprint 8..although that is code for the Sprint 6 being quicker more often in real world.

But I agree with what others have said, the Sprints and XR8 are doing amazingly well against a LSA which is supercharged, running a tune tailored to the intercooling, and with a price tag to match.

Very simple to stomp LSA, intercool and tune....

[madmelon]

You can hear the XR8 tyres howling for the first half of the drag...but that makes no difference to the roll on- the reality is, the LSA has more torque and power than the Miami across the rev range and it appears to make better use of this, despite being a much heavier car.

[ebv8]

a 6.2 supercharged 400kw against a 5.0 supercharged 345kw, the Holden should win everytime.
why not measure equivalent cars price cars like an VF11 SS-Redline 304kw with the FG-X sprint 345kw

both with the same brand of tyre and same transmission

[fgpsi]

Originally Posted by ebv8

a 6.2 supercharged 400kw against a 5.0 supercharged 345kw, the Holden should win everytime.
why not measure equivalent cars price cars like an VF11 SS-Redline 304kw with the FG-X sprint 345kw

both with the same brand of tyre and same transmission

surely you dont believe that the xr8 sprint is only 345kw

[Giant Cranium]

I remember reading here about how the xr8 has more power at the treads and was going to spank the clubsport. Didn't really happen did it? But as a 63k machine against a 80k machine it proves it is great bang for bucks. SS will get a hiding though.

[Bent8]

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

I remember reading here about how the xr8 has more power at the treads and was going to spank the clubsport. Didn't really happen did it? But as a 63k machine against a 80k machine it proves it is great bang for bucks. SS will get a hiding though.

It probably does make more power than the LSA but it's a case of getting all that power to the ground.

It's possible even those Pirelli 265's are too narrow for the Sprint's 650Nm...

Cars with similar torque outputs like the Jag F-type and AMG GT are both fitted with 295 section rubber.

But again, the title of this thread should be $63k XR8 vs $83k HSV, so people can see where their money is going... and we probably won't even see the XR8 Sprint tested against it's direct competitor, the 304kW SS-V as the results would be too embarrassing for Holden ;)

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Bent8

But again, the title of this thread should be $63k XR8 vs $83k HSV, so people can see where their money is going... and we probably won't even see the XR8 Sprint tested against it's direct competitor, the 304kW SS-V as the results would be too embarrassing for Holden ;)

Sit inside a Clubsport or SSV-R and you will see where your money is going.

Also if this becomes a value contest, the LS3 SS wins hands down at $44k. The SSV-R is a handling package and it fulfils that brief superbly- it's one of the best handling sedans on the planet and there's plenty of data to prove it. Holden have absolutely nothing to be embarrassed about and honestly I'm tired of these cars being reduced to a quarter mile time. Hell, the Sprint didn't even win this contest and we're still implying it's better value? The brutal truth is the Clubsport does everything better- and is priced appropriately.

There's also the reality that people will have cross-shopped these cars regardless of price. If the Sprints were 90 grand they still would have sold all of them. Ford also encouraged these comparisons by allowing their reps to boast that the Sprints were benchmarked in acceleration against a GTS.