Not V8 Supercars

[last fairlane]

I was on Facebook last night and reading my Cousins thread he is behind the scenes as part of channel 10s coverage somebody wrote to him about the job and also mentioned the V8 Supercars race and he said they are not called V8 Supercars anymore just Supercars I wonde if that is a backdoor deal so Holden can run the new Commodores with awd and twin turbo V6s just wondering thats all John

[baboon]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/spo...e2d12cbf7f9f6f

Yep the change was made in July 1st 2016 by James Warburton.

[lra]

Not a backdoor deal for Holden. As from next year, any-one can run whatever they like, body, engines, as long as they all use the same RWD chassis .....clip on whatever bits you want.
The Australian V8s are dead, and they are going to "take it to the world in cars that the world knows".
Supercars have been dead to me since they introduced the COTFs.

[roddy1960]

G'day...Yep , turbo's , turbo's, turbo's everywhere and not a V8 to be seen (maybe) in a few years time...Hopefully the Mustang and the Camaro if GM does send it here will hold up a V8 flag ..Just the same I wonder would the Barra T have ever seen racing days if things had been different...Cheers Rod..

[Nikked]

Gen 2 COTF allows any engine combo, ford could run a Ecoboost v6 or 4 banger if they wanted.

No AWD, still RWD only.

[DJR-351]

And wait until you see the V8 Utes SuperUtes

[lra]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

And wait until you see the V8 Utes SuperUtes

Are they going to be those big wheeled, jump around, fall apart, truck things that now appear with the main game ? ?

[xtremerus]

Originally Posted by lra

Are they going to be those big wheeled, jump around, fall apart, truck things that now appear with the main game ? ?

No.
Turbo diesel duel-cab utes/Trucks?
Should be plenty of rollovers.

[lra]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Gen 2 COTF allows any engine combo, ford could run a Ecoboost v6 or 4 banger if they wanted. No AWD, still RWD only.

There was talk some time that ago Holden could run a twin turbo V6 this year at Bathurst, as an experiment/ comparison.
I wonder if it will happen, and what body ( VF or NG) would be on it ?

[ivorya]

Originally Posted by lra

There was talk some time that ago Holden could run a twin turbo V6 this year at Bathurst, as an experiment/ comparison.
?

It's for exhibition only to show the fans the upcoming PSA Commodore with the TTV6.

[eb2fairmont]

Originally Posted by ivorya

It's for exhibition only to show the fans the upcoming PSA Commodore with the TTV6.

Wow. Let's go there.

But no one was there, because they won't care

[NX74205]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Gen 2 COTF allows any engine combo, ford could run a Ecoboost v6 or 4 banger if they wanted.

I'd still rather see the old Touring Car formula back, with a variety of different drivetrains, chassis, gearboxes and engines (not to mention different makes and models, rather than bolt-on bits on a common chassis).

I liked watching the old ATCC, but Supercars has lost its way.

[4stanger]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

God I hope so...V8 supercars are boring as bat guano. I suppose now at least it's not a two horse race with just things that look like Commodores and Falcons, but still...return it to the good old days of several classes of car all racing together, of all cylinders and capacities, and you had no idea what was going to happen or what upset would let some underdog in an unexpetced type of car get up into the lead.

Originally Posted by NX74205

I'd still rather see the old Touring Car formula back, with a variety of different drivetrains, chassis, gearboxes and engines (not to mention different makes and models, rather than bolt-on bits on a common chassis).

I liked watching the old ATCC, but Supercars has lost its way.

For those who liked the old formula of cars racing around Bathurst, with the knowledge of what is racing, is what you can actually buy on Monday (Tuesday for this weekend ) with a variety of classes, engines, sizes and body types, your dream has come true.
This weekend the Bathurst 6 hour http://bathurst6hour.com.au/ . I am sure many who wish for this type of racing to return will be avidly following it this week end and with that type of support, who knows it may become more popular than what is currently being put to us race fans.
A little help, the race starts Sunday at 9.45am and you can watch the race via live stream (so if you got an internet and can read this you can watch this for FREE) http://www.bathurst6hour.com.au/live . As this is a Ford Forum there is a few Fords competing, keep an eye on car number 1, Chaz Mostert driving the Ford Focus RS http://bathurst6hour.com.au/event-info/entry-list .
To continue with further discussion regarding the Bathurst
6 hour this Sunday, there is a thread here; https://fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11458915

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by NX74205

I'd still rather see the old Touring Car formula back, with a variety of different drivetrains, chassis, gearboxes and engines (not to mention different makes and models, rather than bolt-on bits on a common chassis).

I liked watching the old ATCC, but Supercars has lost its way.

G'day...
Not as much as NASCAR has...Cheers Rod

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

G'day...
Not as much as NASCAR has...Cheers Rod

All the top Touring car classes are more or less the same...bespoke chassis, control components, modified bodies, category spec engines etc...

At least Australia haven't gone down the DTM route (or nascar for that matter). DTM for its immense attention to aerodynamic grip (including DRS), NASCAR for its massive restriction on bodies (pillar angles, bonnet angle,...pretty much any surface that effects aero is controlled...)

[XBGS500]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

G'day...
Not as much as NASCAR has...Cheers Rod

As with our ATCC and NASCAR, they still have their popularity, which is seen by the huge crowds in the states but....
Just the same as over here, the purists no longer care or follow the sport, just reminisce about the old days and watch races of the era on YouTube.

No offence to anyone who owns one but a Ford Focus is not even on my radar as a potential purchase. Same league as a corolla.

[Powdered Toast Man]

Originally Posted by XBGS500

No offence to anyone who owns one but a Ford Focus is not even on my radar as a potential purchase. Same league as a corolla.

I don't know.....one fitted with a V8 like they raced at the 12 hour would interest me lol

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by last fairlane

I wonde if that is a backdoor deal so Holden can run the new Commodores with awd and twin turbo V6s just wondering thats all John

God I hope so...V8 supercars are boring as bat guano. I suppose now at least it's not a two horse race with just things that look like Commodores and Falcons, but still...return it to the good old days of several classes of car all racing together, of all cylinders and capacities, and you had no idea what was going to happen or what upset would let some underdog in an unexpetced type of car get up into the lead.

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

God I hope so...V8 supercars are boring as bat guano. I suppose now at least it's not a two horse race with just things that look like Commodores and Falcons, but still...return it to the good old days of several classes of car all racing together, of all cylinders and capacities, and you had no idea what was going to happen or what upset would let some underdog in an unexpetced type of car get up into the lead.

Motor racing has lost credibility ever since about the mid 2000s, namely F1 and also V8 Supercars. Racing should be about getting from point A to point B in the least amount of time possible, whatever it takes. As soon as there are regulations about fuel economy, or what green fuel E85 to use, the engine capacity and KERS technology, it's really not racing anymore... is it ?

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Motor racing has lost credibility ever since about the mid 2000s, namely F1 and also V8 Supercars. Racing should be about getting from point A to point B in the least amount of time possible, whatever it takes. As soon as there are regulations about fuel economy, or what green fuel E85 to use, the engine capacity and KERS technology, it's really not racing anymore... is it ?

yep ....***** the regs and open it up so racers can dream up all kinds of mods just a few basic limitations

all these colar and tie w@#$%rs in board rooms think we all want real close racing ...so its like stock cars (nz version) and smash each other off the track ...i want to see technical innovation (within reason ) and if someones way out in front ....then catch up suckers

the only sport that really excites me at the mo is americas cup racing , i know its got its problems with all the legal crap....but i find it really interesting what teams have what on the boats compared to the others and why theyre faster .....weird and i know diddly squat about sailing

i see team nz have made the sale grinders into a row of bikes...pedal power , be interesting to see how that works , and its gonna look really odd ??

[XBGS500]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Motor racing has lost credibility ever since about the mid 2000s, namely F1 and also V8 Supercars. Racing should be about getting from point A to point B in the least amount of time possible, whatever it takes. As soon as there are regulations about fuel economy, or what green fuel E85 to use, the engine capacity and KERS technology, it's really not racing anymore... is it ?

Yep I agree but go back to about 98 when the shells started to be assembled around the cage VT on. That's when it really got boring as bat ****. I consider myself lucky to even only barely remember the last of the group C cars and wish I could have seen improved production...

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

God I hope so...V8 supercars are boring as bat guano. I suppose now at least it's not a two horse race with just things that look like Commodores and Falcons, but still...return it to the good old days of several classes of car all racing together, of all cylinders and capacities, and you had no idea what was going to happen or what upset would let some underdog in an unexpected type of car get up into the lead.

Ah, no.
The cars are all basically the same underneath, but you can make the exterior look like anything you want. So they can pretend to be racing whatever FWD POS Toyota or Nissan are selling.

And yes, from the next gen, that will also include a wider variety of engines.

On its own, it would be a foolish move, reminiscent of the destruction of the old touring car championship. But since the Falcon and Commode are essentially dead, they had to do something to keep the contest "relevant."

The competition was created to capitalise on the Falcon v Commode rivalry, at the time still the 2 biggest selling cars. That rivalry is now historical only, so they have no choice but to adapt.

[Tonz]

what about 2litre tourers in UK & Europe are they all the same chassis? Dont think so and they have some fantastic racing, biff and push thrown in plus quality drivers.

[Nikked]

Actually, the BTCC do run control chassis...along with engines...its just as much has a silhouette formula as Supercars is...

Infact, all the major/top touring car classes are...

[80rs]

BTCC doesnt run a control chassis they only have controlled width all bodies must be from original car manufacturer. They also have the option of the using the NGTC fia motor or whatever the car manufacturer supplies

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by 80rs

BTCC doesnt run a control chassis they only have controlled width all bodies must be from original car manufacturer. They also have the option of the using the NGTC fia motor or whatever the car manufacturer supplies

Front and rear subframes are controlled, and the center tub must conform to bolt to those sections.

There is more then control on width...bodies have to be a minimum length, and profile. 2 door coupes have to share a sedan profile etc

[FGX-351]

All hail the Warbster!

[jpblue1000]

It was announced late 2015 or early 2016 that the category was dropping V8 and becoming just supercars from 2017 onwards from memory.


JP

[scoupedy]

Bring back the touring cars format the v8 super cars were race cars with falcon or Commodore shape bodies that weren't even the same size.
So many of my friends think they are the same as the road cars. Had numerous arguments with them.
The V8 s will disappear as the turbocharged cars take over.

[Uncle_Ken]

I never liked the '2 horse race'.I grew up watching Fords, GM, Chrysler, Mazda, Jags, etc all going around Bathurst (mind you the big boys always complained about 'slow cars' but that made it more interesting IMO). I agree the F1 is a joke with all the restrictions they have in place. Its also been, on a mathematical scale, on sided because there have been more GMs in the V8s than Ford. It would have been a waste of time without the Datsuns (opps Nissans), Mercs and Volvos. I suprised Ford has won anything over the past few years. Lets hope they get it right. I would be funny if we were still watching 2016 Fords racing in 2020.
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