Burnout incident at Alice Springs

[ozpacman]

This looks nasty: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-0...prings/8868062

[Stefan]

Interested in the cause of this.

Years ago car would do a burnout in your pride and joy in a fairly controlled fashion.

Over the years you see dudes building cars just for these comps, flying onto the track almost out of control, hitting walls and pushing car to point of destruction without a care. Waiting for one of these things to grenade and fling engine parts into the crowd.

[FG50T]

The other new "Meth Trend". It's more about everyone running meth on dropped pipes, spitting flames and lighting the back half of the car on fire than actually popping the tyres.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by FG50T

The other new "Meth Trend". It's more about everyone running meth on dropped pipes, spitting flames and lighting the back half of the car on fire than actually popping the tyres.

I was under the impression they use methanol cause it makes the engines run really cold. Which is really important in a burnout car as they generate insane amounts of heat. We've all see them boil over and blow up radiators.

From the video it was such bad luck that it happened at the worst possible time ,when it was aimed right at the crowd.

[uniacidz]

Well Bugger

Wonder if they will take away the ability to get close up. Or waivers be signed.

Hope everyone makes a speedy recovery though







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[ebv8]

i'm guilty of standing in a similar spot as these guys at summernats and flames have come out at us too but the way the concrete barricades are placed the flames shoot up after hitting the concrete, these looked like they went under which i haven't seen before
looks like this might change up the safety for all futures events

p.s. motorsport is dangerous and there is always a risk of injury so that's just part of it, as much as i feel sorry for the 11 injured they put themselves at risk standing there. if you want to be wrapped in cotton wool stay home and watch it on tv

[Rallye Sport]

Originally Posted by ebv8

p.s. motorsport is dangerous and there is always a risk of injury so that's just part of it, as much as i feel sorry for the 11 injured they put themselves at risk standing there. if you want to be wrapped in cotton wool stay home and watch it on tv

Totally agree.

As the safety has evolved so have the cars, this is nothing new, just on a bigger scale. I remember the early days of Motorvation, the burnout comp was held in a carpark, the barriers were copper log, post and rail bollards. Pieces of hot steel belt were being thrown into the crowd and Victor Bray had a tyre fire there one year.... we still kept going though.
The current fire trend is a bit of a worry, surprised we haven't seen a complete fireball yet. (says the man with a flaming car for his avatar lol)

[mike_nofx]

Tracey Grimshaw will have a field day with this one.

[Wretched]

interesting.
Was the sprayed fuel done on purpose of an accident? Bit silly to have done it on purpose, especially if the facilities are only there to accommodate burnouts.

[ebv8]

they run methanol and when they are on and off the throttle it pumps raw methanol out the pipes and it ignites from the steel belts or from the exhaust itself and acts like a flame thrower, some guys extend the pipes about 500mm out the back and helps stop it but its awesome to watch a car go up in flames.
not awesome when someone gets hurt but that probably could have been avoided if they set it up better

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by ebv8

they run methanol and when they are on and off the throttle it pumps raw methanol out the pipes and it ignites from the steel belts or from the exhaust itself and acts like a flame thrower, some guys extend the pipes about 500mm out the back and helps stop it but its awesome to watch a car go up in flames.
not awesome when someone gets hurt but that probably could have been avoided if they set it up better

The flames are very yellow, I though that methanol flames were almost invisible.

Dr Terry

[ebv8]

https://www.streetmachine.com.au/str...ars-catch-fire

[LG17]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

The flames are very yellow, I though that methanol flames were almost invisible.

Dr Terry

Pure methanol is but it's often surrounded by oils etc in any kind of race car.

[XR8235]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

The flames are very yellow, I though that methanol flames were almost invisible.

Dr Terry

I'm with you Dr methanol very hard to see in the day and very blue with a tinge of orange at night.

Looks he has some sort of exhaust sprayer in that car. If it was like the summernats video the flames would have kept going but the fire went out.
Cheers

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by XR8235

I'm with you Dr methanol very hard to see in the day and very blue with a tinge of orange at night.

Looks he has some sort of exhaust sprayer in that car. If it was like the summernats video the flames would have kept going but the fire went out.
Cheers

What it is is the car is on the limiter that cuts spark but not fuel. Being on methanol yeah that burns almost clear but the rest of the crap thrown up and about doesn't. So whilst the car is banging the limiter it's dumping fuel into the exhaust which ignites, the contaminants being thrown up are the cause of ignition which starts the tyre fire. It's sort of but not really like a silo explosion or somebody creating an explosion by using a regular vaccum without the particulate filter to clean out a photocopier and creating a fire ball. The reason alot of the top guys run straight pipes well past the back of the cars is to prevent it happening but it's not always the case. The reason they run methanol is that whilst you use more it burns colder so whilst power is to be made its harder to overheat the motor.

[CyberWasp]

I don't get the fascination with Burnouts and why anyone would even want to watch one.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

I don't get the fascination with Burnouts and why anyone would even want to watch one.

I don't either. But it would be the same as people who think why would you be in to cars and spend money on it.

I guess its better then other pass times out there.

[FPV0002]

I don't understand why people spend tens of thousands of dollars on a car to purposely push it to the point of destruction, damage the engine, ruin paint and panel and purposely catch it on fire just for a couple of minutes of entertainment for themselves and a few ****ed d1ckheads... totally lost me why???

[b0son]

Originally Posted by FPV0002

I don't understand why people spend tens of thousands of dollars on a car to purposely push it to the point of destruction, damage the engine, ruin paint and panel and purposely catch it on fire just for a couple of minutes of entertainment for themselves and a few ****ed d1ckheads... totally lost me why???

Part of the 'look at me' generation?

[mr smith]

Originally Posted by FPV0002

I don't understand why people spend tens of thousands of dollars on a car to purposely push it to the point of destruction, damage the engine, ruin paint and panel and purposely catch it on fire just for a couple of minutes of entertainment for themselves and a few ****ed d1ckheads... totally lost me why???

Drug dealers have to spend their money on something.

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by mr smith

Drug dealers have to spend their money on something.

You spelt conceil wrong. It doesn't start with an s.

[DOOZIE DAISY]

Originally Posted by .:4:.

You spelt conceil wrong. It doesn't start with an s.

Conceal

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by DOOZIE DAISY

Conceal

Yeah spelling is not my fortè

[FPV0002]

Originally Posted by FPV0002

I don't understand why people spend tens of thousands of dollars on a car to purposely push it to the point of destruction, damage the engine, ruin paint and panel and purposely catch it on fire just for a couple of minutes of entertainment for themselves and a few ****ed d1ckheads... totally lost me why???

I didn't say I'm a hater of burnouts, sure they aren't my thing and I'm not the type of bloke who could sit and watch for hours but I don't understand why people would spend so much $$ and build a beautiful car then basically destroy it within minutes. Surely it is possible to do a burnout without completely wrecking a car? I'm assuming as the level and showmanship increases so does the need for a more visually spectacular 'burnout'. Unfortunately with intense heat, flames and flying rubber and belts spectators are going to risk injury, there are risks at all Motorsport. I am amazed at events like Summernats you can have joe public enter his car and do a static burnout with huge crowds lining the streets either side and have nobody get hurt. IMO when you attend stuff like this you know the risk, weigh it up against the reward and occasionally stuff happens unfortunately.

[.:4:.]

When I go to car shows I'll sit through a few burnouts for something to do, I much prefer the drags because you see a lot more and the results are more cut and dry, but what gets me about this is was it people jumping the barriers and event management not being able to pull the pin in time, or was it event management simply failing to impliment safety precautions for the spectators? Granted the burnout pad at wsid is much more purpose designed but they corden off the first few rows of seats in the stands and stop everything when dickheads try to be heroes and go too close. People in the stands often still get bits of tyres launched up there but it's nothing close to getting a ride in an ambulance.

[DOOZIE DAISY]

Most if not all motorsport venues are required to have a sign that says basically,motorsport is dangerous,enter at your own risk,weve all seen videos of speedway/drag cars crashing and jumping fences/exploding/flying parts and killing /hurting people,spectator injuries do happen.

[b0son]

Waivers wont protect the organisers from acts of negligence.

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by b0son

Waivers wont protect the organisers from acts of negligence.

Yep it's all about liability these days. Even if a person does something silly it's always another person's fault. It's just society these days. I don't know the circumstance and frankly don't care too much, but judging by the video more could have been done to prevent it. And on a side note I went to school with the only sprint car driver to lose his life in the sport in Australia. In older times super modified and stuff it wasn't common but it happened on occasion.

[KBC]

Look for the guys that don't like burnouts that's your right, I don't like football. I don't go and trash talk them for doing so! If you have to ask why they do it, you will never understand.
Anyway back on topic, methanol is used to cool the engines as previously stated. The fires are caused with over-fuelling and tuned this way. They don't need to be tuned like this but the crowd's love to see fire (I don't but again different horses for different courses). There were talks going on to try and stop/disqualify cars if they had a fire, not sure why it hasn't happened yet but might be because of the crowds reactions. I would dare say it will be back on the tables after this one!
Some people go to these expecting things like fires/carnage to happen, then when it does they complain and bitch about not being enough safety!

[The Yeti]

I don't get these comps and I don't like foot ball but understand others do. I'd much rather see skids performed like this (with out the injurys) than on the street though

Perhaps a look at the over fueing issue might be needed

I hope all recover soon