December 2018 vFacts

Syndrome · 04-01-2019, 12:27 PM

https://www.caradvice.com.au/714901/...it-the-brakes/

Ford and Holden total sales for a calendar year was last this low back in the 1960s (what makes this news worse is Australia's population back than was half of what it is now):

https://www.caradvice.com.au/714898/...s-since-1960s/

simon varley · 04-01-2019, 01:16 PM

but total sales never been higher. Now that cars are more affordable most people just want cheap disposable white goods. It's no longer an investment, or even particularly hard to raise the finance these days. Ford and Holden simply can't seem to offer anything in that market place that competes with the Hyundais, Kias and Chinese crap.

vztrt · 04-01-2019, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by simon varley

but total sales never been higher. Now that cars are more affordable most people just want cheap disposable white goods. It's no longer an investment, or even particularly hard to raise the finance these days. Ford and Holden simply can't seem to offer anything in that market place that competes with the Hyundais, Kias and Chinese crap.

Yet Toyota sells the most and at a premium.

Bossxr8 · 04-01-2019, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Yet Toyota sells the most and at a premium.

They do have huge fleet deals though. They dominate that.

vztrt · 05-01-2019, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

They do have huge fleet deals though. They dominate that.

And rangers are all private sales?

hackney · 05-01-2019, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

And rangers are all private sales?

Certainly not.One energy company I know of has nearly all Rangers,with the odd Hi-lux.Cheers

prydey · 04-01-2019, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by simon varley

Ford and Holden simply can't seem to offer anything in that market place that competes with the Hyundais, Kias and Chinese crap.

To be fair to hyundai, they aren't cheap crap any more. While current Ford passenger cars and suv's are quality products, the Koreans have come a long way and their products these days are right up there.

I know there are many that still think performance is an important criteria, but in the real world where vehicles are transport, the Koreans etc are offering products that tick all the boxes.

Sprintey · 04-01-2019, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by simon varley

but total sales never been higher. Now that cars are more affordable most people just want cheap disposable white goods. It's no longer an investment, or even particularly hard to raise the finance these days. Ford and Holden simply can't seem to offer anything in that market place that competes with the Hyundais, Kias and Chinese crap.

Disagree.

I want my whitegoods to work, be reliable and last for a long time.

danzvtil · 04-01-2019, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

Disagree.

I want my whitegoods to work, be reliable and last for a long time.

Yeah...so......that’s why no ones buying Holdens or Fords.

Sprintey · 04-01-2019, 09:27 PM

Pretty much. In terms of perception, Toyota is the most reliable whitegood (we all know that's debatable) and the Koreans are armed with great warranty and reasonable longevity. At a price point.

outback_ute · 04-01-2019, 04:58 PM

I'm sure Holden would have sold more than 58k in 1961, they were making about 120-130k cars per year then. There were some exports, but not that many surely!

Sprint XR8 · 04-01-2019, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by outback_ute

I'm sure Holden would have sold more than 58k in 1961, they were making about 120-130k cars per year then. There were some exports, but not that many surely!

Holden sold 112,680 in 1961 including exports.

I haven't found 1961's export numbers yet. But in 1960 Holden exported 10,672 and in 1964 13,693 exports were a record number at the time.

Holden sold at least 100k in Aus in 1961.

I think Dowling has only looked at Holden's passenger car figures for 1961 and missed the light commercial (ute) numbers.

outback_ute · 10-01-2019, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprint XR8

Holden sold 112,680 in 1961 including exports.

I haven't found 1961's export numbers yet. But in 1960 Holden exported 10,672 and in 1964 13,693 exports were a record number at the time.

Holden sold at least 100k in Aus in 1961.

I think Dowling has only looked at Holden's passenger car figures for 1961 and missed the light commercial (ute) numbers.

Thanks mate, I was sure the number was wrong but couldn't find the right one!

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Fleet sales done properly is good for business.
There's nothing wrong with fleet sales to daily Rentals provided the vehicles are the same as retail trim, it's the old fleet strippers and taxis that hurt retail values.

Similarly, commercial fleet sales are also good business provided the discount is not excessive, companies generally make a profit from them although not as much as retail sales.

The reason that Toyota are now so strong is that they have all bases covered in fleet and retail, that's not to say they are dumping into fleets,more that they have a very balanced business..

Ford & Holden definitely got the fleet discount aspect wrong, killed the resale and one of the reasons the local cars died. Fleet can be very healthy, good 'service at the dealer' business. Pulling right out of it or otherwise killing sales, I wouldn't want to be a Ford or Holden dealer now...

jpd80 · 04-01-2019, 05:05 PM

Ranking.....Make/Model.............Sales
1..............Toyota HiLux ...........51,705
2..............Ford Ranger.............42,144
3..............Toyota Corolla..........35,320
4..............Mazda 3...................31,065
5..............Hyundai i30..............28,188
6..............Mazda CX-5..............26,173
7..............Mitsubishi Triton........24,896
8..............Toyota RAV4.............22,165
9..............Nissan X-Trail............21,192
10............Mitsubishi ASX...........19,950

the top 10 vehicles accounted for 302,798 sales

By deduction December sales of
Ranger....3,365
Hilux.......3,871

BENT_8 · 04-01-2019, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

By deduction December sales of
Ranger....3,365
Hilux.......3,871

Combined total?

jpd80 · 04-01-2019, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Combined total?

Yes.

Ranger again shadowing Hilux by about 500 sales, pretty typical.

hackney · 05-01-2019, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Yes.

Ranger again shadowing Hilux by about 500 sales, pretty typical.

Shadowing by 500 sales? How do you work that out? Hilux finished the year with 51,000 odd sales to Ranger 42,000 odd sales,I would say that is a pretty convincing win for Toyota.Even in the 4x4 segment they sold more than Ranger.

jpd80 · 05-01-2019, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hackney

Shadowing by 500 sales? How do you work that out? Hilux finished the year with 51,000 odd sales to Ranger 42,000 odd sales,I would say that is a pretty convincing win for Toyota.Even in the 4x4 segment they sold more than Ranger.

1.
I was talking about December's sales figures that Bent 8 responded to , not the annual totals.
Ranger....3,365
Hilux.......3,871

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Up to November, 4x4 Ranger sales trailed 4x4 Hilux sales by less than 2,000 sales,
the big difference is 4x2 sales, Hilux streaks away thanks to petrol tradie utes.

jpd80 · 04-01-2019, 09:43 PM

Makes me wonder whether the next great wave of low cost vehicles will be the Chinese..

I saw a JMC crew cab ute the other day that looked suspiciously like a previous Gen Ranger/BT50.

hayseed · 05-01-2019, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Makes me wonder whether the next great wave of low cost vehicles will be the Chinese..

I saw a JMC crew cab ute the other day that looked suspiciously like a previous Gen Ranger/BT50.

I bought one of these nearly 2 years ago, & am quite happy with It..

http://fotonmotor.com.au/Utes/Utes

danzvtil · 04-01-2019, 11:34 PM

Holy crap, Toyota moves to a 5 yr warranty
https://www.caradvice.com.au/714906/...rending&slot=0

BENT_8 · 04-01-2019, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by danzvtil

Holy crap, Toyota moves to a 5 yr warranty
https://www.caradvice.com.au/714906/...rending&slot=0

Is that all..

hackney · 05-01-2019, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by danzvtil

Holy crap, Toyota moves to a 5 yr warranty
https://www.caradvice.com.au/714906/...rending&slot=0

“Oh What a Feeling”!

Rob 351 · 08-01-2019, 04:55 PM

Falcon 5th best selling large car under $70k for 2018!

Mustang still averaging 500 a month which is quite extraordinary. Ford must be doing cartwheels with the Mustang in what is now what..... about 4 years since its return to Australia! Sells 4-5 times the units of it’s nearest competitor!
What was Fords original prediction with the Mustang in Australia? About 1000 units a year iirc.
Why wasn’t the Camaro on that list? One would think it would have at least moved 100 units for the month!
It’s not even on the list!

naddis01 · 08-01-2019, 07:35 PM

Looking at Dmax sales figures, they seem relatively consistent across the year roughly between 1400-1700pm. Maybe with the average increasing slightly across the year. The only significant exceptions to this being June and December. Smells like EOFY and EOY sales to me.

jpd80 · 08-01-2019, 09:43 PM

There were also two less selling days in December compared to 2017.

On pro rata selling, it means that Hilux and Ranger lost approximately
352 sales and 306 sales while D-max probably lost another 199 sales.

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Originally Posted by bigwil

What was commodores total number for 2018 please

Holden Commodore – 9040 (down from 23,676 in 2017)

Cheers bigwil...

Bossxr8 · 09-01-2019, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

There were also two less selling days in December compared to 2017.

On pro rata selling, it means that Hilux and Ranger lost approximately
352 sales and 306 sales while D-max probably lost another 199 sales.

Holden Commodore – 9040 (down from 23,676 in 2017)

Cheers bigwil...

Commodore down 62%.

arronm · 09-01-2019, 02:22 AM

Problem is now driving a mustang is liking driving a Hyundia I30. Everyone has one. Common as.

**Giant Cranium** · 09-01-2019, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by arronm

Problem is now driving a mustang is liking driving a Hyundia I30. Everyone has one. Common as.

How good is it hey! Shows that people still have a passion in cars. Would rather see a rd with 90% mustangs than a whole heap of boring commuter cars

Windsor220 · 09-01-2019, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by arronm

Problem is now driving a mustang is liking driving a Hyundia I30. Everyone has one. Common as.

We have just come from Commodore and Falcon which were the most common cars on the road. Mustang has a long way to go before it gets to that stage.