2018 Chevrolet Camaro 2SS vs Ford Mustang GT comparison review

[GO FURTHER]

One of the first Australian comparison reviews published on 02 Jan 2019 by Whichcar.com.au...

https://www.whichcar.com.au/reviews/...8tdj-Uvt04PJzU

[MethodX]

Will be interesting to see what they do for the next generation of both cars.
Hopefully Camaro will do a modernized Gen 2.

[roddy1960]

Great read ....Thanks for posting .. It'd be truly awesome if both were factory offerings , not just one but Australian's want the thank goodness that HSV exists to give us the opportunity to have an option to the mighty Mustang albeit at a more premium price . Better exxy than not at all .

They say that HSV's effort on quality control is really good so anybody buying a Camaro will get a well glued together car .

Ford through and through but one day I hope to catch a glimpse of a HSV build Camaro somewhere and maybe own a Mustang in the distant future .

[Nikked]

For what it's worth, the Camaro sits 3rd behind the Challenger and the number 1 selling mustang in America.

Mustang is firimg on all cylinders.

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Mustang is firimg on all cylinders.

True, as also the Camaro runs as a V4 on the highway to save fuel, so the exhaust growl is not always present like the Mustang.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

True, as also the Camaro runs as a V4 on the highway to save fuel, so the exhaust growl is not always present like the Mustang.

L77 Commodores do that too - AFM.

[FG50T]

Originally Posted by Nikked

For what it's worth, the Camaro sits 3rd behind the Challenger and the number 1 selling mustang in America.

Mustang is firimg on all cylinders.

YTD until November 2018 in the U.S.

Ford Mustang - 71,450

Dodge Challenger - 62,560

Chev Camaro - 43,443

Chev Corvette - 16,149

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2018/12...rs-in-america/

[jpd80]

2018 USA Sales Totals:


Ford Mustang - 75,842

Dodge Challenger - 66,716

Chev Camaro - 50,963

Chev Corvette - 18,791

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by jpd80

2018 USA Sales Totals:


Ford Mustang - 75,842

Dodge Challenger - 66,716

Chev Camaro - 50,963

Chev Corvette - 18,791

To think the Camaro used to be challenging the Mustang for top spot, what a fall from grace, great car but hideous interior/outward visibility.

What a resurgence from the Challenger, the only one not to drop sales on 2017, not bad for a decade old platform.

[Cav]

I read the review and I was amazed that the Camaro has run flats, but I doubt it will affect sales because buyers will be after exclusivity.

Whereas the Mustang, for Australians, is an emotional purchase because as blokes say, "I've always wanted a Mustang."

Gofurther's 4 cylinder Mustang shows it is possible to get yourself into a new Mustang at a reasonable cost, and it is still a 'Mustang that I've always wanted.' The only outward signs are the sound of the engine and the 5.0 badge on the side.

That's why manufacturers build a hero car. So that blokes who cannot afford one still feel good about driving a cheaper version of the same brand.

This won't happen with the Camaro in Australia because of market limitations HSV is working within; hence sales will suffer. No doubt HSV considered whether to do the 2.0l Camaro, or even the 3.6l, but I guess the numbers didn't stack up.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Mustang is firing on all cylinders.

Just ticking loudly..........

[jpd80]

From the OP article

HSV also uses Argentinian core vehicles, not because someone at GM’s shipping docks misread the destination address, but because their car offers the most ADR compliant parts. This saves development costs, but it’s also why, for now, HSV offers the Camaro only in 2SS trim. The ‘2’ means it packs more fruit like Bose audio, interior mood lighting and power seats with heating and ventilation.

Argentina must be sunny because, whether you like it or not, every single car also comes with a sunroof. Meanwhile, the restricted spec also means Magnetic Ride Control, Recaros, different style wheels and styling packs are all missing from the HSV brochure, even though they’re available in America.

Hmm, that's a little disappointing...

[jpd80]

I wish HSV every success with the Camaro, they've worked hard and put in the effort to deliver
a great vehicle when GM wouldn't, that in itself is deserving of high praise but be under no illusion
that this is still a mini assembly line catering for fewer buyers than Mustang - that's why it's unique.
....I have a feeling that these will be mostly keepers, not sure about Camaro beyond the next refresh.

Originally Posted by MAGPIE

To think the Camaro used to be challenging the Mustang for top spot, what a fall from grace, great car but hideous interior/outward visibility.

What a resurgence from the Challenger, the only one not to drop sales on 2017, not bad for a decade old platform.

There's a theory that quite a few disaffected GM and Ford buyers went over to Challenger
and Charger and lived happily ever after with big roomy affordable V8s.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by MAGPIE

To think the Camaro used to be challenging the Mustang for top spot, what a fall from grace, great car but hideous interior/outward visibility.

What a resurgence from the Challenger, the only one not to drop sales on 2017, not bad for a decade old platform.

And the 2019 Camaro now adds hideous exterior styling to match the hiddeous visibility. They really screwed the design up badly. And the 2020 Silverado as well. Makes you wonder what is going on at GM design. They both have been widely panned. HSV will be happy to keep selling the pre-update models for at least a few years.

[Big_Daz]

Was an interesting review that ended pretty damn close with the Mustangs (comparatively) small price giving it the win... Such a shame they cant compete at a similar price point...

My Redline is being serviced in a few weeks and ive spoken to the salesman who sold me my SS and have tee'd up a drive of their Camaro Demo... Should be an interesting drive... I wouldn't buy one over a mustang but will be good to have a whirl...

[arronm]

Mustang passenger gets their own handbrake. NICE

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by arronm

Mustang passenger gets their own handbrake. NICE

The handbrake location is not an issue once an owner has acclimatized.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by arronm

Mustang passenger gets their own handbrake. NICE

Surprise handbrake turns FTW.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Fiji

At full boar these cars seem to match the old fg/fgx supercharged 8 and barra turbo6. In 0-100 or quarter mile.

But because the gearbox keeps em right up in the power band?
6000rpm+ most of the time on a full throttle run.

But what about for 90% of driving at lower revs? wouldnt they feel lethargic at lower revs? (Relative to super8 or turbo6).

Why?
If as you say, the job of the 10-speed auto is to keep the Coyote on song,
then that would be doubly true on light throttle, smaller gear steps mean
more linear feel to acceleration...

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Why?
If as you say, the job of the 10-speed auto is to keep the Coyote on song,
then that would be doubly true on light throttle, smaller gear steps mean
more linear feel to acceleration...

Exactly right

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Fiji

But to achieve some sort of fuel economy wouldnt it need to be driven at low revs too?

Generally speaking, the less you move the throttle on light to moderate acceleration the better the fuel economy,
that's why companies like GM and Ford have added more gears to their auto transmissions.


News flash, power comes from burning more fuel and economy comes from burning less...

[roddy1960]

Just say hypothetically that this 2017 press release on all left hand drive road registerable cars was to happen ..

https://www.caradvice.com.au/575846/...legal-by-2019/ under Sco Mo not just Turnbull

Would this potentially allow for GM to sell Corvettes , Camaro's and Ford to sell a couple of the GT's in original LHD form if you were allocated one ?

Or does it just allow for these "Hypercars " .

Would be interesting times .

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Fiji

And keeping revs up? I would think that would also burn extra fuel?

Absolutely. The up side as with any atmo engine is less issue with part throttle fuel enrichment.


In reality, I think you'd find that all three vehicles types would have similar fuel economy,
It's more down to what floats your boat, forced induction or the glorious note of a Coyote in full song..

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Fiji

At full boar these cars seem to match the old fg/fgx supercharged 8 and barra turbo6. In 0-100 or quarter mile.

But because the gearbox keeps em right up in the power band?
6000rpm+ most of the time on a full throttle run.

But what about for 90% of driving at lower revs? wouldnt they feel lethargic at lower revs? (Relative to super8 or turbo6).

Variable camshaft timing gives it a very wide power and torque band.

If you are complaing about lack of torque in a Mustang GT you must drive a triple double.

[GT0132]

So the Camaro will be badged as HSV. I would have thought for the sake of keeping the GM fanboys happy they would have left it badged as a Chev, or will those who used to put Chev badges on their Commies now put Holden badges on their Camaro ? I guess we will soon find out

To be badged as HSV implies its a Holden special vehicle i.e something better than the standard model, so will the Aussie camaro have performance features not otherwise available in a standard V8 camaro to justify its HSV badging?

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by GT0132

So the Camaro will be badged as HSV. I would have thought for the sake of keeping the GM fanboys happy they would have left it badged as a Chev, or will those who used to put Chev badges on their Commies now put Holden badges on their Camaro ? I guess we will soon find out

To be badged as HSV implies its a Holden special vehicle i.e something better than the standard model, so will the Aussie camaro have performance features not otherwise available in a standard V8 camaro to justify its HSV badging?

Surely you're taking the ****?

I doubt too many HSV owners ripped their HSV badges off to fit Bowtie's so im not sure why the Current offerings would be subject to any different.

HSV enhanced vehicles weren't always performance enhanced so being converted from LHD to RHD is more than enough to be considered enhanced by HSV, not that it really matters, HSV is just a company.

And before you suggest that a LHD to RHD isnt an 'enhancement' it is because driving from the right hand side of a car in Australia is a much better proposition than the alternative due to vision factors, so it is enhanced over its original designation for our conditions.

[Big_Daz]

Originally Posted by GT0132

So the Camaro will be badged as HSV. I would have thought for the sake of keeping the GM fanboys happy they would have left it badged as a Chev, or will those who used to put Chev badges on their Commies now put Holden badges on their Camaro ? I guess we will soon find out

To be badged as HSV implies its a Holden special vehicle i.e something better than the standard model, so will the Aussie camaro have performance features not otherwise available in a standard V8 camaro to justify its HSV badging?

Camaro's (just like the Silverado's) are Badged/sold as Chev's.

Originally Posted by Mechan1k

Saw my first one on the road on the way home yesterday.
Looked pretty mean looking back at it in the mirror ... it passed me and i followed it.
not very good looking from the back though. Really bland ... and the rear looked really high off the ground as well.

Owner gave it a bootful. Was rather quiet indeed. Sorta sounded like a V8 ... but nowhere near as a nice or tough as a MY19 GT.

You know, I agree with you regarding its looks... I LOVE them from the front, but from the back not so much.. Its almost like they spent a heap of time making the front end look awesome then thought, "Bugger, running out of time" so did the back in 5 minutes...

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by GT0132

So the Camaro will be badged as HSV. I would have thought for the sake of keeping the GM fanboys happy they would have left it badged as a Chev, or will those who used to put Chev badges on their Commies now put Holden badges on their Camaro ? I guess we will soon find out

To be badged as HSV implies its a Holden special vehicle i.e something better than the standard model, so will the Aussie camaro have performance features not otherwise available in a standard V8 camaro to justify its HSV badging?

The Camaro will never sell in this market as a “whatever”, buy it as a HSV, but it as a Chev, or a whatever, it will never be a mainstream product like a Mustang is.

It may not even survive the next product cycle, as the sales in the US are so poor.

[fgpsi]

the camaro looks much better.

the front of that facelifted mustang is hideous. the first model that was sold here looked much better

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

the camaro looks much better.

the front of that facelifted mustang is hideous. the first model that was sold here looked much better

Except it’s not. It was a bit disliked at first. But after seeing it on the road, next to no one thinks that now. To me its a lot better, especially with the bonnet vents.

Camaro looks like a cartoon. Even the yanks hate it cause it bombed in sales ever since release. GM even made it worse with the coming update which is puke worthy.

Disclaimer- beauty is in the eye of the beholder, opinions are like a holes blah, blah, blah.