Picked up a new D-Max

[jaydee]

Picked up the latest 4X4 D Max from the dealer yesterday.
My Daughter and her fiance who live up north bought it and asked me to pick it up here in Perth after about a 16 month wait.
They have an old Patrol past it used by date so lashed out on a new car. Tried to talk them into a low kay used HiLux, but heart set on a new car.
They need it and will use it extensively.

So, first impressions, looks great, seating is comfortable, drives well, except...
My God, the ride is terrible, feel every bump in the road, every join, every road repair.
It was like reading Braille.
Checked the tyre pressures, one had 55, the rest 45 to 48.
Let them down to 33, went for another drive, bounce, bounce, bone jarring ride.

Now she wants me to do a road trip and take it up to Broome for them, 2000km.
No way, I just couldn't do it, my back won't make it and I'll be like one of those bobble head dolls.

I'll pay to truck it up, worth every cent.

[whitelion65]

Originally Posted by jaydee

Checked the tyre pressures, one had 55, the rest 45 to 48.

Isn't that pre-delivery fee money well spent? :-/

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by jaydee

My God, the ride is terrible, feel every bump in the road, every join, every road repair.
It was like reading Braille.
Checked the tyre pressures, one had 55, the rest 45 to 48.
Let them down to 33, went for another drive, bounce, bounce, bone jarring ride.

Now she wants me to do a road trip and take it up to Broome for them, 2000km.
No way, I just couldn't do it, my back won't make it and I'll be like one of those bobble head dolls.

I'll pay to truck it up, worth every cent.

#ThailandSpecial

People don't know what they had with the single cab Falcon Ute

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

#ThailandSpecial

People don't know what they had with the single cab Falcon Ute

Not just the Thailand ones. The Chinese ones do the same thing

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Not just the Thailand ones. The Chinese ones do the same thing

#ChineseThailandSpecial

The only ones which didn't ride like **** were the Australian ones, kinda like we had a bit of an idea how to make a decent car

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

#ChineseThailandSpecial

The only ones which didn't ride like **** were the Australian ones, kinda like we had a bit of an idea how to make a decent car

I disagree, a Ranger rides a lot better on the road than a D-Max.

The new Ranger is next level.

A LOT better.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

I disagree, a Ranger rides a lot better on the road than a D-Max.

The new Ranger is next level.

A LOT better.

Only taken circa 15 years, a billion dollars and a global engineering team to catch up to the ride and refinement of an FG

I hear they even have disc brakes on the rear axle now.

[barra240t]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

#ThailandSpecial

People don't know what they had with the single cab Falcon Ute

Have you driven a MY22 Ranger? Very very good, got nothing to do with Thailand and everything to do with Australian engineering.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by barra240t

Have you driven a MY22 Ranger? Very very good, got nothing to do with Thailand and everything to do with Australian engineering.

Nah but I've driven every Falcon ute from an XF onwards up to an FGII.

Sounds like the 2022 Ford Ranger has finally caught up to the ride and compliance of the AU Falcon ute

Out of curiosity, what did a PG Ford Courier ute cost new for a povvo spec 4x2 and what was a povvo spec tray back AU Falcon ute worth?

Curious to see the turn around in pricing, say compared to FGX tray back ute to PXII/PXIII Ranger 4x2 and now that there's no Falcon what the new Ranger in povvo spec 4x2 is worth.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Nah but I've driven every Falcon ute from an XF onwards up to an FGII.

Sounds like the 2022 Ford Ranger has finally caught up to the ride and compliance of the AU Falcon ute

Out of curiosity, what did a PG Ford Courier ute cost new for a povvo spec 4x2 and what was a povvo spec tray back AU Falcon ute worth?

Curious to see the turn around in pricing, say compared to FGX tray back ute to PXII/PXIII Ranger 4x2 and now that there's no Falcon what the new Ranger in povvo spec 4x2 is worth.

Cant give an exact figure but I believe I paid around $27k for a new PH single cab 4x2 petrol manual with steel tray in 2005.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Nah but I've driven every Falcon ute from an XF onwards up to an FGII.

Sounds like the 2022 Ford Ranger has finally caught up to the ride and compliance of the AU Falcon ute

Out of curiosity, what did a PG Ford Courier ute cost new for a povvo spec 4x2 and what was a povvo spec tray back AU Falcon ute worth?

Curious to see the turn around in pricing, say compared to FGX tray back ute to PXII/PXIII Ranger 4x2 and now that there's no Falcon what the new Ranger in povvo spec 4x2 is worth.

The bulk of falcon utes sold weren't 1 tonne variations. Payload in most utes was actually lucky to be 500kg. Not to mention they were a one trick pony. Dual cabs are so much more versatile. Falcon ute sales were never even that high. You can't argue against the market, as much as you like to try.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

The bulk of falcon utes sold weren't 1 tonne variations. Payload in most utes was actually lucky to be 500kg. Not to mention they were a one trick pony. Dual cabs are so much more versatile. Falcon ute sales were never even that high. You can't argue against the market, as much as you like to try.

Just because something is popular, it doesn't correlate to being 'good'

If you go back 15 years and took away the big tax incentives they introduced on the Thailand Specials, I doubt it would have gone off on the trajectory they have.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by prydey

The bulk of falcon utes sold weren't 1 tonne variations. Payload in most utes was actually lucky to be 500kg. Not to mention they were a one trick pony. Dual cabs are so much more versatile. Falcon ute sales were never even that high. You can't argue against the market, as much as you like to try.

Don't know about later ones but my XF van is legal for over 750kgs, with the utes at the time having a higher payload cap.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Nah but I've driven every Falcon ute from an XF onwards up to an FGII.

Sounds like the 2022 Ford Ranger has finally caught up to the ride and compliance of the AU Falcon ute

Out of curiosity, what did a PG Ford Courier ute cost new for a povvo spec 4x2 and what was a povvo spec tray back AU Falcon ute worth?

Curious to see the turn around in pricing, say compared to FGX tray back ute to PXII/PXIII Ranger 4x2 and now that there's no Falcon what the new Ranger in povvo spec 4x2 is worth.

Yes, but none of those utes are 4X4. Apples and oranges.

[roKWiz]

I'm more curious to know why every dual cab 4X I've spotted lately has roll out awnings, dual spare wheels, jerry cans, steel dog boxes, huge roof racks, vast external lighting and general camping gear hanging off them and that's the cities ones.
By the time the passengers get in, it would be close to GVM.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by jaydee

Yes, but none of those utes are 4X4. Apples and oranges.

Doesn't matter - the 4x2 versions also ride like **** compared to a Falcon.

So why do they still ride so badly in comparison?

Both Falcon utes and the 4x2 Thailand Specials are RWD, have leaf springs and have 1000kg+ payloads.

But one steers, stops and rides much better than the other - why could that be?

Its not apples and oranges at all because they're all 4x2 and 'commercial vehicles'.

If you want to go one bigger - how come the American utes ride much more comfortably than the Thailand Specials? Those also come in 4x4 variations.

[barra240t]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Nah but I've driven every Falcon ute from an XF onwards up to an FGII.

Sounds like the 2022 Ford Ranger has finally caught up to the ride and compliance of the AU Falcon ute

Out of curiosity, what did a PG Ford Courier ute cost new for a povvo spec 4x2 and what was a povvo spec tray back AU Falcon ute worth?

Curious to see the turn around in pricing, say compared to FGX tray back ute to PXII/PXIII Ranger 4x2 and now that there's no Falcon what the new Ranger in povvo spec 4x2 is worth.

Back in the day a PG was no comparison with an AU, you'd buy an AU any day of the week if you are comparing comfort, safety and even fuel consumption. Price wouldn't even come into it.

PX/FG was the beginning of Ranger being a great country traveller, it began to be on par with Falcon as well as comfort, safety and being diesel fuel consumption. And lets not forget visibility, something everyone seems to get upset about being they ride higher.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Out of curiosity, what did a PG Ford Courier ute cost new for a povvo spec 4x2 and what was a povvo spec tray back AU Falcon ute worth?

.

back in April 2002 I bought a new (Aug 01 Plate) PG Courier 4x2 Povo Pack with A/C

$20,490 Driveaway... On Business Rego..

[fiestaz]

Originally Posted by jaydee

Picked up the latest 4X4 D Max from the dealer yesterday.
My Daughter and her fiance who live up north bought it and asked me to pick it up here in Perth after about a 16 month wait.
They have an old Patrol past it used by date so lashed out on a new car. Tried to talk them into a low kay used HiLux, but heart set on a new car.
They need it and will use it extensively.

So, first impressions, looks great, seating is comfortable, drives well, except...
My God, the ride is terrible, feel every bump in the road, every join, every road repair.
It was like reading Braille.
Checked the tyre pressures, one had 55, the rest 45 to 48.
Let them down to 33, went for another drive, bounce, bounce, bone jarring ride.

Now she wants me to do a road trip and take it up to Broome for them, 2000km.
No way, I just couldn't do it, my back won't make it and I'll be like one of those bobble head dolls.

I'll pay to truck it up, worth every cent.

Pretty typical of these utes. The Hilux would be no better (possibly worse). Ranger is meant to be best in this regard.

[ozrunner]

Originally Posted by fiestaz

Pretty typical of these utes. The Hilux would be no better (possibly worse).......

Agreed. Last Xmas on a flying visit to Melb to see my mum and sister I asked for a hire Ranger so I could see why they were popular.

Was not happy when told I had been given a new Hilux. Wow what an eye opener that was. Total POS and the ride was absolutely terrible even on the Hume I felt every freaking bone jarring little bump. I arrived at Mums totally RS. It was hard to believe how anyone would buy one to go on trips after a test drive.

No thanks Toyota I'll keep my FG Mk11 tray back ute. Compared to the Hilux it's like a Limo, LOL.

[Paull]

Originally Posted by jaydee

Picked up the latest 4X4 D Max from the dealer yesterday.
My Daughter and her fiance who live up north bought it and asked me to pick it up here in Perth after about a 16 month wait.
They have an old Patrol past it used by date so lashed out on a new car. Tried to talk them into a low kay used HiLux, but heart set on a new car.
They need it and will use it extensively.

So, first impressions, looks great, seating is comfortable, drives well, except...
My God, the ride is terrible, feel every bump in the road, every join, every road repair.
It was like reading Braille.
Checked the tyre pressures, one had 55, the rest 45 to 48.
Let them down to 33, went for another drive, bounce, bounce, bone jarring ride.

Now she wants me to do a road trip and take it up to Broome for them, 2000km.
No way, I just couldn't do it, my back won't make it and I'll be like one of those bobble head dolls.

I'll pay to truck it up, worth every cent.

Assume that you won't be bringing it tomorrow then?

[.:4:.]

Car based utes like falcodores are way more complient with roads then ute based utes. Chuck a couple hundred kgs in the back of a ranger, hi lux, dmax, then they ride comfortably.
When i had a 2013 ranger as a work car i only drove it for a week with nothing in the back, if i had fillings in my teeth im sure the bouncy ride would have rattled them out. But with all my work tools and stock in the back it rode quite nice. So +/- 400kgs in the back. Thats the main aim for utes designed for uting. Unlike a falcodore ute, they're not supposed to be the poor mans performance coupe.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by .:4:.

Car based utes like falcodores are way more complient with roads then ute based utes. Chuck a couple hundred kgs in the back of a ranger, hi lux, dmax, then they ride comfortably.
When i had a 2013 ranger as a work car i only drove it for a week with nothing in the back, if i had fillings in my teeth im sure the bouncy ride would have rattled them out. But with all my work tools and stock in the back it rode quite nice. So +/- 400kgs in the back. Thats the main aim for utes designed for uting. Unlike a falcodore ute, they're not supposed to be the poor mans performance coupe.

Yeah but even unloaded a one tonner Falcon ute is still a lot more comfortable than an unloaded Thailand Special.

You had 195KW too to go with it, and disc brakes on the rear axle

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Yeah but even unloaded a one tonner Falcon ute is still a lot more comfortable than an unloaded Thailand Special.

Correct, however why by a ute if you do not plan to put crap in the back?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by .:4:.

Correct, however why by a ute if you do not plan to put crap in the back?

Why have something with more than 70KW when the highest speed limit in VIC/NSW is 110? Even with your 70KW you'd still do the 130 that NT has on its highway.

Why have beer when you have water? Why eat meat when we can all be vegans and live off vegetables.

Don't use seasoning on your food either, don't need it.

Its just handy to have a ute - I'm pretty sure a whole heap of people who have bought the Ford Maverick in the US aren't the traditional ute buyer either but its still selling like hotcakes (except in RHD markets where they don't offer it).

Doesn't mean it has to be slow and ride like **** just because it has a tray on the back of it and its designed for 'work' - as the Falcon ute proved for a very long time.

The same sort of mentality why it has taken years for them to be given safety systems, they didn't even have airbags or ABS for the longest time, now two of them even have disc brakes on the rear axle (I think the LDV T60 was the first one to offer disc brakes on the rear in our market).

When was the last time a Falcon ute had drums on the back?

Just because something 'does the job', doesn't mean you can't (or shouldn't) improve on it.

Half of the DCOA monthly compilations have an unloaded Thailand Special facing backwards from a low speed spin at a slightly wet roundabout because of the poor dynamics of those things.

I can rip skids in mine without much effort in something with nearly 200,000km on the clock with all 92KW/200NM (when it was new) from its 2.6L 4 cylinder engine with a mighty 8.4:1 compression ratio.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Why have something with more than 70KW when the highest speed limit in VIC/NSW is 110? Even with your 70KW you'd still do the 130 that NT has on its highway.

Why have beer when you have water? Why eat meat when we can all be vegans and live off vegetables.

Don't use seasoning on your food either, don't need it.

Its just handy to have a ute - I'm pretty sure a whole heap of people who have bought the Ford Maverick in the US aren't the traditional ute buyer either but its still selling like hotcakes (except in RHD markets where they don't offer it).

Doesn't mean it has to be slow and ride like **** just because it has a tray on the back of it and its designed for 'work' - as the Falcon ute proved for a very long time.

The same sort of mentality why it has taken years for them to be given safety systems, they didn't even have airbags or ABS for the longest time, now two of them even have disc brakes on the rear axle (I think the LDV T60 was the first one to offer disc brakes on the rear in our market).

When was the last time a Falcon ute had drums on the back?

Just because something 'does the job', doesn't mean you can't (or shouldn't) improve on it.

Half of the DCOA monthly compilations have an unloaded Thailand Special facing backwards from a low speed spin at a slightly wet roundabout because of the poor dynamics of those things.

I can rip skids in mine without much effort in something with nearly 200,000km on the clock with all 92KW/200NM (when it was new) from its 2.6L 4 cylinder engine with a mighty 8.4:1 compression ratio.

Still think the reason most utes still have drums is for the needed park brake performance having a tow rating of 4 to 4.5 tonne try holding that with little shoes .mounted on the inside of the rotors my au11 Fairmont struggles to hold its own weight .....they're big drums too Twice the size of Falcon drums

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Why have something with more than 70KW when the highest speed limit in VIC/NSW is 110? Even with your 70KW you'd still do the 130 that NT has on its highway.

Why have beer when you have water? Why eat meat when we can all be vegans and live off vegetables.

Don't use seasoning on your food either, don't need it.

Its just handy to have a ute - I'm pretty sure a whole heap of people who have bought the Ford Maverick in the US aren't the traditional ute buyer either but its still selling like hotcakes (except in RHD markets where they don't offer it).

Doesn't mean it has to be slow and ride like **** just because it has a tray on the back of it and its designed for 'work' - as the Falcon ute proved for a very long time.

The same sort of mentality why it has taken years for them to be given safety systems, they didn't even have airbags or ABS for the longest time, now two of them even have disc brakes on the rear axle (I think the LDV T60 was the first one to offer disc brakes on the rear in our market).

When was the last time a Falcon ute had drums on the back?

Just because something 'does the job', doesn't mean you can't (or shouldn't) improve on it.

Half of the DCOA monthly compilations have an unloaded Thailand Special facing backwards from a low speed spin at a slightly wet roundabout because of the poor dynamics of those things.

I can rip skids in mine without much effort in something with nearly 200,000km on the clock with all 92KW/200NM (when it was new) from its 2.6L 4 cylinder engine with a mighty 8.4:1 compression ratio.

Wasn't trying to start an argument. Just car based utes unlaiden handle better then unlaiden utes that are by design supposed to carry stuff.
Oh, the 92kw thinkg makes me laugh. My grandpas old 2000 mazda 626 made 92kw factory claimed. It went alright. My mums 2017 benz b200 has a turbo 1.6 that also makes 92kw. Its an absolute slug. Pretty sure the 19 airbags make it safer as they weigh the thing down that much that if you do hit something the car is travelling too slow to deploy any of them.

[GT1533]

Originally Posted by .:4:.

Correct, however why by a ute if you do not plan to put crap in the back?

Ironically, you can put more crap in the back of a Falcon one-tonner than in the back of a Thailand special.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by GT1533

Ironically, you can put more crap in the back of a Falcon one-tonner than in the back of a Thailand special.

I reckon even my van carries more.

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by GT1533

Ironically, you can put more crap in the back of a Falcon one-tonner than in the back of a Thailand special.

By dual cab, yes. Single cabs, yeah 100% a falcon is nicer then a single cab ranger. My brother has an au ute. I had a px single cab with a tub. The au has way more cabin space, but the tub is about a foot shorter then the px. So for moving large amounts of crap, the ranger could move slightly more. My brothers au isnt good for uting these days. Its been lowered on bigger rims so not practical anymore.