fuel? ripped of twice......

svo347 · 31-10-2005, 12:19 AM

Ok i never really thought about it before but Im sure many of you have..
Ive always been generally carefull when filling the tank or rather to exact dollars. I filled up twice today after clocking up quiet afew K's looking at houses in Vincent,Cambridge & Mandurah.. but anyhoo
First time i topped up, oops went to $40.03 no dramas paid by card & read the statement hmmmm charged me $0.03 cents and debited out of my acc alrighty
Later on topped up another $30 but went to $30.03 walked in with $30.05 cash expecting to be rounded up and nope $30 thanx Mr..
Ooookayyyy so for everyone in Oz, if everyperson went afew cents over and paid by card.. WE are royally getting ripped off twice.
Tried it again at another servo, $20.03 "That'll be $20 "
Fairynuff 0.03 cents is bugger all but times that by 4 million

RG · 31-10-2005, 12:26 AM

Technically they should charge you the 5 cents when you go over by 3 and pay cash but some people are just nice. I hate my card too.

svo347 · 31-10-2005, 12:30 AM

But you can see what im getting to tho surely

RG · 31-10-2005, 12:32 AM

Yes I can and I do too agree that they are dirty theiving bastards.

DOC · 31-10-2005, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by svo347

But you can see what im getting to tho surely

Bud i think its the other way round, your not being ripped at all in fact you are saving you stated you spent xyz.03

and when you used your card that is what you were charged so no wrong done there, and when you paid cash for the xyz.03 you recieved a discount of .03 as most good stores will round down not up in the interests of the customer.

so i see your around .03 cents better off by paying cash.

gtfpv · 31-10-2005, 12:44 AM

life must be tough . feel for ya.no i dont im happy for you that means you dont have a problem in thew world . if your concerned about 3 cents.

Steffo · 31-10-2005, 01:00 AM

What a stupid thing to complain about. How are you getting ripped off by paying the exact price? That doesn't make sense. If anything, you're ripping them off when you pay in cash....

svo347 · 31-10-2005, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

What a stupid thing to complain about. How are you getting ripped off by paying the exact price? That doesn't make sense. If anything, you're ripping them off when you pay in cash....

Yep awaiting your as usual stupid reply Steffo.

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gtfpv life must be tough . feel for ya.no i dont im happy for you that means you dont have a problem in thew world . if your concerned about 3 cents.

no, Im one of those fortunate people to Gross over 100k p/a so your right afew cents pffffft.
What i was trying to get to is....4million people buy fuel, each get charged the 0.03cents extra on their CARDS... now 4 mill x 0.03 cents works out to be $120,000 extra to the Govt

Steffo · 31-10-2005, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by svo347

Yep awaiting your as usual stupid reply Steffo.

Stupid as usual huh? Take a look at what you said, $20.03 is what it says on the bowser, so $20.03 is what you pay on the card. And mathematically it SHOULD BE rounded up to $20.05 but they obviously don't because you'd be paying 2 cents extra for something you did not receive. So what exactly is wrong with paying $20.03 off the card like you're supposed to in the first place?

Just think, the 4 million x 0.03 thing you said, if 4 million people payed in cash, the $0.03 you don't pay for in cash multiplied by 4,000,000, that's $120,000 if my maths doesn't fail me.

b2tf · 31-10-2005, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by svo347

Yep awaiting your as usual stupid reply Steffo.

no, Im one of those fortunate people to Gross over 100k p/a so your right afew cents pffffft.
What i was trying to get to is....4million people buy fuel, each get charged the 0.03cents extra on their CARDS... now 4 mill x 0.03 cents works out to be $120,000 extra to the Govt

Scuse me? Attacks on other members are not tolerated, you know that.

mcflux · 31-10-2005, 09:39 PM

(off topic)

Aimzes... you'd hit Supernanny???

bindi · 01-11-2005, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghia5L

(off topic)

Aimzes... you'd hit Supernanny???

That's what I was thinking! lol Maybe he likes her rounder more womanly appearance. Maybe he likes the way she is so motherly, caring and sympathetic.

Or maybe he likes her discipline and would like to see her standing over him with a whip in her hand. I'm sure she'd be VERY harsh...

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svo347 · 31-10-2005, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by back2thefutura

Scuse me? Attacks on other members are not tolerated, you know that.

Mate youve been Xcused , did the first time, as for steffo , sorry mate, i should be used to that from you..

Yaw · 01-11-2005, 08:04 AM

When i used to work at a servo I would use my "unders and overs" That is the people that said foregt the change of .05 or .10 cents I left in the till for those that did go over like you. It was my thing not a company thing. but when paying by eftpos it will take it to the exact cent because it can. It used to amuse me people that deliberatly put in the extra .02 cents and then pay by creidt card. I know on the very occasional person was pure accident but when you have the dollar presets there is no excuse to be .02 cents over.

parawolf · 31-10-2005, 07:31 AM

I argued with a shop the other day.... I bought a desk calender as a xmas present, it was stickered at $24.99 and the operator behind the desk said "$25 thanks". I'm used to that, and then changing the correct amount on the card.

However he charged me $25 on the credit card, instead of $24.99.

It's certainly not about the money, it is about charging what you have as the sticker price.

Lukeyson · 31-10-2005, 08:17 AM

i noticed a few servos around coffs harbour, i will put $50 exactly in, and i pay with me Visa and i will be charged $50.01 , its only 1cent so i dont care, but why ?

deesun · 31-10-2005, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by XR8fella

i noticed a few servos around coffs harbour, i will put $50 exactly in, and i pay with me Visa and i will be charged $50.01 , its only 1cent so i dont care, but why ?

Start keeping reciepts and start complaining,thats illegal unless they warn you otherwise. 1 cent or not if it says $50 on the bowser then its $50 not $50.01.

pauljh74 · 31-10-2005, 09:41 AM

The only reason they round up/down is because 1 and 2 cent coins were abolished. So if you pay by cash, rounding applies. If paying electronically, you pay to the exact cent as there is no note and coin cash exchange. Some companies will still round up/down your bills and show this in the amount due even if you pay electronically. If you go 3 cents over, they are entitled to round up to 5 cents. If they round it down from 3 cents, that's because of company policy and isn't required.

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Fairynuff 0.03 cents is bugger all but times that by 4 million

If they discounted it, then it would be that amount the retailer would lose.

bindi · 31-10-2005, 09:52 AM

When they eradicated 1 & 2 cent coins they should have changed everything to suit, so that we had multiples of 5c. So instead of paying $24.99 we'd pay either $24.95 or $25 even. Hard to change I'm sure, and where does one start?! But if they had done it straight off then we would be used to it by now. It was a silly idea in the first place because our society is based around the number 1 and the increments. I miss my 1 & 2 cent coins.

They have always charged the 0.03 cents or whatever on the card, because the banks can work in 1 cent increments. So if you put in $40.03 in your tank, your card will be debited $40.03 whereas in cash you'll be paying $40.05 in most cases... so which one works out cheaper in the long run?

The trend will continue until we become a cashless society.

pauljh74 · 31-10-2005, 11:34 AM

If you buy 10 items at $0.98 that's $9.80. At the initial rounded up figure it would be $1 each - $10 for 10. Rounding the final total figure is the best way to do it.

vztrt · 31-10-2005, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by bindi

When they eradicated 1 & 2 cent coins they should have changed everything to suit, so that we had multiples of 5c. So instead of paying $24.99 we'd pay either $24.95 or $25 even.

The $24.99 is a psychological thing to make customers believe that the product is $24 instead of $25. If you think this dosn't work, it actually sucks customers in. At work there is always someone questioning the price when products are at the .99 mark.

The Monty · 31-10-2005, 03:03 PM

Speaking of servo rip offs, I like it when the pump says you have put 23 L in a 20 litre jerry can. Sorry if its off topic.

**Mechan1k** · 31-10-2005, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Monty

Speaking of servo rip offs, I like it when the pump says you have put 23 L in a 20 litre jerry can. Sorry if its off topic.

It's like me putting 96L of LPG in a 90L useable tank.
Not happy Jan.

gtfpv · 31-10-2005, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechan1k

It's like me putting 96L of LPG in a 90L useable tank.
Not happy Jan.

that would be 90 liters gas capacity . which is 80% water capacity. hopefully when you run out it should take 96 l everytime . the tank may be rotated slightly off the mark . mine is consistant with every fill .

gtfpv · 31-10-2005, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Monty

Speaking of servo rip offs, I like it when the pump says you have put 23 L in a 20 litre jerry can. Sorry if its off topic.

that sux . has anyone else ever experianced false readings ? can machines be manipulated to lie ? i'm just wondering as i don't know . if they can that is disgracefull.

aimzes · 31-10-2005, 05:16 PM

our trucks on gas. it has 2 45 litre tanks, which were almost completely empty when we last pulled into a servo (the truck was spluttering and farting but we made it) anyway it took 104 litres.

so 14 litres went somewhere? any ideas?

31-10-2005, 05:23 PM

We should measure the amount of petrol that is measured by the pump and compare it against a measuring beaker. Results will be interesting..

GenesiS · 31-10-2005, 08:20 PM

Actually the reasons for the price discrepenice is legal and nothing more.

As stated before, banks can still work in one and two cent values, hence when you pay by card you get charged the exact amount. Ie 24.16ltrs of fuel at $34.48 is exactly what you should be charged when working with eftpos.

However when you pay cash you for the same amount you will be charged $34.45, the reaon is that if you were to be charged $34.50 you are paying for product you did not recieve.
It is not a matter of rounding as in this case you are paying for QUANTITY.

A 600ml coke is always 600ml, you are not charge for 600mls of coke, you are charged for a bottle of coke (which is known to contain 600mls of coke), which can be rounded from $1.99 to $2.00.

However with fuel you are paying for an exact amount of fuel, you are not paying for a container holding 34 litres of fuel, you are paying for an exact amount of fuel.
If they rounded up you would be paying for product you haven't recieved as your paying for a unit measured amount.

Not sure if that clears it up, I know what I am trying to say, but wether it made sence is a whole different thing.

FordFan86 · 06-11-2005, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ArgonEF

We should measure the amount of petrol that is measured by the pump and compare it against a measuring beaker. Results will be interesting..

Not really. The pumps where I work are re-calibrated about every 3 months I think. As you'd expect with a bit of wear and tear on a mechanical piece of equipment they do tend to become less accurate. That being said the last guy I was speaking to said 9/10 as they wear they tend to give out more fuel. With that being said, he told me if I wanted any fuel I should get it from that pump as it was giving out a whopping 17mil per 20 litres extra...(which he was quite surprised by...)