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12-04-2006, 08:00 PM
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Poll on www.drive.com.au
Will be heavier than VZ May be thirstier than VZ (can't be more economical) May be slower than VZ (not enough power increase to combat weight increase) Not enough local content. Jobs for Aussie workers I say! FF |
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12-04-2006, 08:07 PM
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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The main reson i voted no was my car is only six months old with just under 5k on the clock so i cant see myself considering a new car for quite a while.
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12-04-2006, 08:08 PM
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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Currently 60% voted NO
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12-04-2006, 08:11 PM
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Clio 182 CUP!
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Location: Inner West, Sydney
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Does anyone here study/remember Economics?
Without competitors I can't see Ford making better vehicles in the future? Will be heavier than VZ - It might then also be safer. Would much rather safer cars on our roads May be thirstier than VZ (can't be more economical) Where did you read that? Nothing official just yet. Remember that most modern engines are becoming much more fuel efficient, and yet increasing power May be slower than VZ (not enough power increase to combat weight increase) So? It might have more USEABLE power lower in the rev range - hence increased fuel economy. And last but not least - DOESN'T THE BF WEIGHT MORE?! Quote:
I'm all for the VE! Don't you see a pattern happening? The VT was a great car, and the AU wasn't so good. So, Ford increased R&D costs and created the BA. Now, this was then better then the VX/Y. Now the BF is still better then the VZ, so Holden increased their R&D to create a better car then the BF. Which they have, the VE. Now just wait for Ford to release their new product, which I'm sure will again be better then the VE. Bring on the competition! We need it for technological advances, safer cars, more equipment on the standard list... and most of all - to keep the price of cars low
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------------- Steven 'In fact, so good is the Clio 182 with the Cup chassis set-up that I feel moved to make a bold statement - I think it's the best hot hatch ever built.' (EVO Jan 04) Last edited by Teki04; 12-04-2006 at 08:23 PM. |
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12-04-2006, 10:14 PM
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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A test was done with the renault espace one old (3star) and one new (5star). The two car where rammed into each other and sure enough the 5star driver was able to walk away but the 3star drive was mortaly wounded. While cars are getting safer to the occupants they are more dangerous to older less safe cars. I say give ME the safe car and everyone else a pos so I survive and everyone doesn't.
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12-04-2006, 10:19 PM
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It got as low as 32% for yes about an hour or so ago. Now Yes is 56%.
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12-04-2006, 11:39 PM
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Clio 182 CUP!
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Now - You rather other people drive a less safe car, that way you have a higher chance of survival? Well, if you were BOTH in safe cars, you would BOTH survive. I'd rather everyone live. Also, the 3 star car they were almost dead as they were in a BADLY rated car. If a 3 star car slammed into the wall, the same would be said... they would be badly injured. As to the VE - I still agree with what some people have mentioned. Competition will add to the next Falcon being better. Doesn't mean you have to buy one... Anyway - If I was in the market for a family sedan I would just get the best one. If that happens to be the VE, so be it
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------------- Steven 'In fact, so good is the Clio 182 with the Cup chassis set-up that I feel moved to make a bold statement - I think it's the best hot hatch ever built.' (EVO Jan 04) Last edited by Teki04; 13-04-2006 at 12:24 AM. |
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12-04-2006, 08:46 PM
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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voted yes...
i have 3 vehicles i am looking at in the future (no particlular order). 1) Ford Focus XR5T 2) Volvo S40 T5 3) Holden VE Commodore |
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12-04-2006, 08:49 PM
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12-04-2006, 09:17 PM
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2) owned by Ford 3) nothing to do with Ford Therefore options 1 and 2 are for you. FF |
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12-04-2006, 09:47 PM
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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What happened to jobs for Aussie workers? lol
Maybe some of you should wait and give the VE a chance. competition improves the product. Voted yes. Ford or Holden, Whichever makes the better product at the time. |
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12-04-2006, 09:51 PM
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I voted No. If Ford do not make a product worth buying I will just keep my current ride. As for Holden, call me bias, whatever, could not force myself to buy one. Don't like them, never have...........
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13-04-2006, 08:07 AM
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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2) I don't care who owns the manufactuer 3) So what? No all 3 are there for me. |
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12-04-2006, 10:48 PM
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yes is 63% now... i take it ls1 got wind of the poll
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12-04-2006, 11:29 PM
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Yes is 65%. I voted no.
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12-04-2006, 11:40 PM
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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I voted yes, I'll never disregard a vehicle until I've had a thorough look over.
Anyway, my unbiased shopping habits doesn't really matter, Holden will still sell thousands. |
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12-04-2006, 11:44 PM
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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I would consider buying it if I wanted a big family car. But I don't have a family, so I'll continue looking at buying a turbo/import.
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13-04-2006, 12:02 AM
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ppl are voting about buying it right, and not just liking it? Here's a poll for ya... buy the VE, or wait and see what the Orion has to offer...
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13-04-2006, 12:18 AM
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Now, would you like people to drive a less safer car.
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13-04-2006, 12:32 AM
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i voted no! with my main reason being that im young and poor:p
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13-04-2006, 12:44 AM
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Another whinge about the VE thread!
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13-04-2006, 01:31 AM
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and you forgot to add its ugly!
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13-04-2006, 08:47 AM
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The 'Stihl' Man
 
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What a stupid poll from the worst car related website on the net!
Im sure Mooney's kids have been voting too :MrT_anim:
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13-04-2006, 09:34 AM
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NOT A TOYOTA :/
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I think that posting this thread was alright until you advised everyone to hit no. You know, there may be a fair few people on this forum who are VERY keen to see what the VE Commo has to offer.
It's no different to the concept of a lot of Holden people changing to Ford since the BA was released. Make your own decisions people.
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13-04-2006, 11:28 AM
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13-04-2006, 11:41 AM
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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I know Ford went their own way with AU and got burned. I seriously hope they dont follow Holdens lead here. Bigger, slower and thirstier is not the way to go. Not saying Falcon should be smaller, but more effecient and no heavier is the way to go, like BA vs BF. Let them brag about extra room and boot space but watch customers rum from the higher fuel use over their previous models. Like 380
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VE Commodore - vote NO!
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