Holden content in Motor magazine

Pedro · 18-07-2006, 12:48 PM

The August edition of Motor magazine has 70+ editorial content photos of Holdens in it! There are many more in advertising as well.

Grechie · 18-07-2006, 01:19 PM

who cares.

ltd · 18-07-2006, 01:22 PM

Why on Earth the motoring world falls all over Holden I'll never know.
Paul Gover alone orgasms every time dennis mooney says holden, and the rest of them just fall into line and gloss over the failures and rebrand them success.
BTW, Jaedene Hudson is still licking her lips at Holden.

xe351 · 18-07-2006, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ltd

Why on Earth the motoring world falls all over Holden I'll never know.
Paul Gover alone orgasms every time dennis mooney says holden, and the rest of them just fall into line and gloss over the failures and rebrand them success.
BTW, Jaedene Hudson is still licking her lips at Holden.

because people still believe they are an australian company

vztrt · 18-07-2006, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ltd

Why on Earth the motoring world falls all over Holden I'll never know.
Paul Gover alone orgasms every time dennis mooney says holden, and the rest of them just fall into line and gloss over the failures and rebrand them success.
BTW, Jaedene Hudson is still licking her lips at Holden.

Seriously Holden have milked the VE beautifully. Everyone knows about it, everyone's talking about it, hell there are more threads here on the VE than on Just Commodore.
Now if a lot of people are talking about a new model and want to know before everyone else, would they buy a mag that says VE secrets reveled? ***** oath they would.
I just hope Ford stir up this kind of interest for Orion, make the car seem like it's going to change your life, like its the greatest thing since slice bread! Holden do a great job of this, I knew the VE wasn't going to be all that special (well for 1.2billion spent on it, it isn't) but it got everybody talking about it and for the Holden fan boys the hype has worked on them. I'm still waiting for the technical specs so I can see whats so great about the car.........oh wait they fixed that POS suspension that they had. Hardly worth 1.2b.

FASTXR · 19-07-2006, 12:18 AM

Just to clarify for the ininformed, the new Motor does not have any articles on the VE. The space is mostly taken up by the "tribute" to the VT-VZ models, and I nearly choked when I read the quote on the front cover - "We salute a cult classic"

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Incidentally, the Camaro story relates to how they believe much of the new retro Camaro will make its way into the Monaro, which Motor claims will reappear in around 2009. Provided this is true, I think its an appalling business decision to publicly kill off a model (for the second time) only to bring it back 3-4 years later, and what about all those people who bought the "last" Monaro's?

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Full Spectrum · 19-07-2006, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by blackahcdx

It's V X R not V R X. This aint no **** heap mitsubishi you know

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Sorry

I was looking at a 380 VRX at the time

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Originally Posted by FASTXR

Just to clarify for the ininformed, the new Motor does not have any articles on the VE. The space is mostly taken up by the "tribute" to the VT-VZ models, and I nearly choked when I read the quote on the front cover - "We salute a cult classic"

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Incidentally, the Camaro story relates to how they believe much of the new retro Camaro will make its way into the Monaro, which Motor claims will reappear in around 2009. Provided this is true, I think its an appalling business decision to publicly kill off a model (for the second time) only to bring it back 3-4 years later, and what about all those people who bought the "last" Monaro's?

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Well it is worth a salute, The VT changed the Australian car industry, It led the way in sales from day 1, It spawned a new performance hero with the Chev LS1. Even with the fuel crisis they still sold V8's in record numbers or up on previous years, It made the BA-BF what it is today. IF it was just a run about we wouldn't be sitting here talking about 300kw cars with features like we have now in Australian cars. It's maybe why the Turbo and Balde IRS was introduced in the BA and not orion in 08?.

XRchic · 19-07-2006, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SlickHolden

Sorry

I was looking at a 380 VRX at the time

Well it is worth a salute, The VT changed the Australian car industry, It led the way in sales from day 1, It spawned a new performance hero with the Chev LS1. Even with the fuel crisis they still sold V8's in record numbers or up on previous years, It made the BA-BF what it is today. IF it was just a run about we wouldn't be sitting here talking about 300kw cars with features like we have now in Australian cars. It's maybe why the Turbo and Balde IRS was introduced in the BA and not orion in 08?.

I actually agree with that.

Papa Smurf · 18-07-2006, 01:43 PM

Yes they do XE. Given 5 Million pounds in 1946 by the Australian Gov to build a car, hostile take over of Holden's carriage works in Elizabeth in South AUstralia, Closing down a plant in NSW that they didn't even pay for? the ONLY company that was allowed to take 90% of it's profit out of Australia. Gee, I can see where this DEFINITELY was an Australian car?

MYVYSS · 18-07-2006, 01:50 PM

Cause we all know that FORD started in Australia...SHEESH bangs head....

Maybe cause stories about Ford dont sell enough papers/magazines, or maybe cause most people who drive fords cant actually read... (yeah I can bash a brand as well). The VE is the most waited for Automotive design and change in Australian History.... As will be the next generation of Fords..... I remember back to the AU (Yes, everyone thought it was the best thing since slice bread, only to realise it was just a poor substitute). Why is it I see more attacking of the Holden Brand on the the Ford website than I ever see on a Holden website, do people who support and drive a Holden have more intelligence, and or dont really have an complex about them selves. GROW UP FFS.....

(yeah I know is a ford site...blah blah blah....puts on flame suit and or waits to be banned...but for gods sake when will it be enough).

xe351 · 18-07-2006, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MYVYSS

Cause we all know that FORD started in Australia...SHEESH bangs head....

Maybe cause stories about Ford dont sell enough papers/magazines, or maybe cause most people who drive fords cant actually read... (yeah I can bash a brand as well). The VE is the most waited for Automotive design and change in Australian History.... As will be the next generation of Fords..... I remember back to the AU (Yes, everyone thought it was the best thing since slice bread, only to realise it was just a poor substitute). Why is it I see more attacking of the Holden Brand on the the Ford website than I ever see on a Holden website, do people who support and drive a Holden have more intelligence, and or dont really have an complex about them selves. GROW UP FFS.....

(yeah I know is a ford site...blah blah blah....puts on flame suit and or waits to be banned...but for gods sake when will it be enough).

well in an attempt to keep it civil, here goes
- no-one has claimed ford is an australian company
- the ve the most waited for in australian history? i dunno about that one
- brand bashing is when someone says fords/holdens are pieces of s***
- and the more intelligence thing..... well im sure there are people in both brands who sit in each paddock.

4Vman · 18-07-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MYVYSS

. The VE is the most waited for Automotive design and change in Australian History.... .

Why? its no more or less "world breaking" than any other new model from Ford or Holden, its just a New model......

Papa Smurf · 18-07-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MYVYSS

Cause we all know that FORD started in Australia...SHEESH bangs head....

Maybe cause stories about Ford dont sell enough papers/magazines, or maybe cause most people who drive fords cant actually read... (yeah I can bash a brand as well). The VE is the most waited for Automotive design and change in Australian History.... As will be the next generation of Fords..... I remember back to the AU (Yes, everyone thought it was the best thing since slice bread, only to realise it was just a poor substitute). Why is it I see more attacking of the Holden Brand on the the Ford website than I ever see on a Holden website, do people who support and drive a Holden have more intelligence, and or dont really have an complex about them selves. GROW UP FFS.....

(yeah I know is a ford site...blah blah blah....puts on flame suit and or waits to be banned...but for gods sake when will it be enough).

Well, you obviously shouldn't bother being here? I hear all the rubbish about HOLDEN and how good it is? they won't even back their own cars in racing?

As to the attacking of the holden car. I was having a shot at the company and NOT the car.

And for the last, you an Aussie? Holdens aren't. I hope you grow up, learn to read and then go soak yourself in holden.

new2ford · 18-07-2006, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MYVYSS

The VE is the most waited for Automotive design and change in Australian History....

Having been round for awhile I'd say (if we're talking about locally made cars) that would be the P76 and then the Ford Territory - and I guess the 1948 Holden but I wasn't around then. I'm from outside the Holden or Ford camps but I'd say the period when I owned two Holdens was the period during which I must have had a frontal lobotomy. I'd put ownership of a Holden on a par with owning a Camry.

I've looked at Motor in the newsagent - seems to be pretty useless to the average car buyer; is it the old 'Modern Motor"? Wheels on the other hand is a useful mag and clearly rates Ford the best - and they're right. Thanks heavens for Ford, makers of the best Australian cars.

XRchic · 18-07-2006, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by new2ford

Having been round for awhile I'd say (if we're talking about locally made cars) that would be the P76 and then the Ford Territory - and I guess the 1948 Holden but I wasn't around then. I'm from outside the Holden or Ford camps but I'd say the period when I owned two Holdens was the period during which I must have had a frontal lobotomy. I'd put ownership of a Holden on a par with owning a Camry.

I've looked at Motor in the newsagent - seems to be pretty useless to the average car buyer; is it the old 'Modern Motor"? Wheels on the other hand is a useful mag and clearly rates Ford the best - and they're right. Thanks heavens for Ford, makers of the best Australian cars.

Yes Motor is the old Modern Motor. My Dad had EVERY SINGLE copy of Modern Motor/Motor and Wheels since their very first edition back in the 50s, right through to the late 80s... when his shed burned down, with every edition in it....

Motor is considered to have a performance car focus (not a sports car focus) so you dont see too many of the more boring family type cars in there (you know the type), and more performance type road tests etc.

Wheels is more the every day car owners mag, and they road test everything.

While I find Motor more interesting as that is the stuff I like to see, I find they have had less credibility in recent times than Wheels but Im sure that will change.

Ive not really been reading either of them lately, just skimming.

As for the Ford v Holden debate, arguing which one is better is pointless. One is always going to be better than the other at some time with some things and then at some point, some of that will change. It just goes around it circles.

Reasonable comparisons and discussions, analysis and observation is fine, but slagging each other off is a bit rich.

Holden and Ford may be different teams but at least they are playing the same sport. Ricers are playing a different game altogether.... its like looking at the Port Power and Crows rivalry - its all the same sport. But ricers are like Rugby - different sport, different rules and just not fun.

Just my opinion.

aualright · 18-07-2006, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by XRchic

Holden and Ford may be different teams but at least they are playing the same sport. Ricers are playing a different game altogether.... its like looking at the Port Power and Crows rivalry - its all the same sport. But ricers are like Rugby - different sport, different rules and just not fun.

Just my opinion.

Lucky I'm a Rugby League fan otherwise I'd be offended.. how about this analogy:

"Holden and Ford is like Rugby union and Rugby League - a constant territorial battle within themselves and against each other, led by big beefy engines. Ricers are just like AFL - go ok until they need to use some muscle".

Note: this is a NSW perspective of course, so no offense to the less populated states.

XRchic · 18-07-2006, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by aualright

Lucky I'm a Rugby League fan otherwise I'd be offended.. how about this analogy:

"Holden and Ford is like Rugby union and Rugby League - a constant territorial battle within themselves and against each other, led by big beefy engines. Ricers are just like AFL - go ok until they need to use some muscle".

Note: this is a NSW perspective of course, so no offense to the less populated states.

Hahaha. Yeah, you get the idea.

I was going to use soccer as an example, but I just went with whatever... LOL.

new2ford · 18-07-2006, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by XRchic

Yes Motor is the old Modern Motor. My Dad had EVERY SINGLE copy of Modern Motor/Motor and Wheels since their very first edition back in the 50s, right through to the late 80s... when his shed burned down, with every edition in it....

OMG what a tragedy!

You're all pretty civil to the other side in FF. Coming from outside either camp and having owned two Holdens I don't have a problem saying which is the better brand. Holden simply has a history of mediocrity, playing catch ups with the competition and compromising its customers' safety (VP, Daewoo Barina). Ford hasn't exactly been crash hot either until the 2000s but now its products are clearly superior. The new Commodore will simply catch up with where the Falcon is now and everything will be even for a while. Lets see how it goes in ANCAP.

On the other hand, Holden dealers are on the whole much better than Ford dealers....

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Autocade · 18-07-2006, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MYVYSS

Cause we all know that FORD started in Australia...SHEESH bangs head....

Maybe cause stories about Ford dont sell enough papers/magazines, or maybe cause most people who drive fords cant actually read... (yeah I can bash a brand as well). The VE is the most waited for Automotive design and change in Australian History.... As will be the next generation of Fords..... I remember back to the AU (Yes, everyone thought it was the best thing since slice bread, only to realise it was just a poor substitute). Why is it I see more attacking of the Holden Brand on the the Ford website than I ever see on a Holden website, do people who support and drive a Holden have more intelligence, and or dont really have an complex about them selves. GROW UP FFS.....

(yeah I know is a ford site...blah blah blah....puts on flame suit and or waits to be banned...but for gods sake when will it be enough).

There appears to be no facts whatsoever in your comments
All I see here is a pile of inflamatory inuendo and sensationalism that is likely to provoke a negative response and you are questioning our intelligence
Perhaps if you based your comments on facts and added some value to this discussion you need not bother having to don your flame suit
I hope you are not one of those people that get off on antagonising nice people who share a common interest for no other reason than to satisfy there fragile ego
Cheers
Autocade

Bucket · 18-07-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MYVYSS

Cause we all know that FORD started in Australia...SHEESH bangs head....

Maybe cause stories about Ford dont sell enough papers/magazines, or maybe cause most people who drive fords cant actually read... (yeah I can bash a brand as well). The VE is the most waited for Automotive design and change in Australian History.... As will be the next generation of Fords..... I remember back to the AU (Yes, everyone thought it was the best thing since slice bread, only to realise it was just a poor substitute). Why is it I see more attacking of the Holden Brand on the the Ford website than I ever see on a Holden website, do people who support and drive a Holden have more intelligence, and or dont really have an complex about them selves. GROW UP FFS.....

(yeah I know is a ford site...blah blah blah....puts on flame suit and or waits to be banned...but for gods sake when will it be enough).

And i thought thinking before you speak was harder than thinking before you type..

I've just been proven wrong

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Dazza XLT · 18-07-2006, 02:49 PM

I am sure there have been editions of Motor and Wheels that have contained a crapload of Ford photos in them too!!!
They released a new model, of course they are going to get plenty of coverage!

XRchic · 18-07-2006, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Darran

They released a new model, of course they are going to get plenty of coverage!

I agree, I sort of thought thats why there would have been a lot of stuff/pics about the VE in the latest mags. New model always gets attention. Cant expect the mags NOT to focus in on it, as one of the best selling cars around...

I remember the same mags going nuts with pics and writeups when the BA came out.. its all the same thing.

I dont have a problem with the Holden/Ford rivalry. I like it. When its good natured, its fun and on a national scale, that competition fuels the market and the manufactuers to give us better cars every year.

And I would drive ANY Holden/HSV ANY day over ANY ricer...

Just my 2 cents.

Jac

WILDTRAKPX2 · 18-07-2006, 03:00 PM

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Pedro · 18-07-2006, 03:21 PM

[QUOTE=Darran]I am sure there have been editions of Motor and Wheels that have contained a crapload of Ford photos in them too!!!
They released a new model, of course they are going to get plenty of coverage![/QUOTE]

Darran, there is not one picture of the VE in the edition we're talking about here. VE photos only became available this week and this edition of Motor would have been put to bed a month ago.

Dazza XLT · 18-07-2006, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedro

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Originally Posted by Darran

I am sure there have been editions of Motor and Wheels that have contained a crapload of Ford photos in them too!!!
They released a new model, of course they are going to get plenty of coverage!

Darran, there is not one picture of the VE in the edition we're talking about here. VE photos only became available this week and this edition of Motor would have been put to bed a month ago.

Well the Wheels mag I picked up yesterday had plenty of VE photos in it.

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MYVYSS · 18-07-2006, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Darran

Well the Wheels mag I picked up yesterday had plenty of VE photos in it.

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Also a very nice plug for the Turbo Territory as well on the Front page.!!!!

Dazza XLT · 18-07-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MYVYSS

Also a very nice plug for the Turbo Territory as well on the Front page.!!!!

Really? I didn't notice!

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I am not argueing the point here. I believe both manufacturers get equal coverage, it just differs throughout the year!

Full Spectrum · 18-07-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Darran

Well the Wheels mag I picked up yesterday had plenty of VE photos in it.

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Thats last months you got a old one

Front cover has the camaro on front.
And the test of the XR5 and VRX. (Which the VRX won)

Bucket · 18-07-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SlickHolden

Thats last months you got a old one

Front cover has the camaro on front.
And the test of the XR5 and VRX. (Which the VRX won)

Thats Motor Slick..

And keep in mind, the XR5 Isnt FPV and the VRX is a good $7K More expensive...Now thats XR6 Turbo Territory...

XR5 Belongs against the Astra Turbo
Now if FPV only ger there mitts on an XR5 ;) Such a shame FF cars are restricted in power output that can come through the wheels :(

So much for Mr. Crennan Saying they (HSV) were a V8 Company...

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Dazza XLT · 18-07-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SlickHolden

Thats last months you got a old one

Front cover has the camaro on front.
And the test of the XR5 and VRX. (Which the VRX won)

And?

It was in Shell at the same time I was, so I purchased. I haven't read a motoring magazine in months, so it didn't matter much if it was a bit old!