Baillieu vs Bracks debate re the 10% tolerance

[Bill M]

Anyone see the debate last night? The segment covering the tolerance given to drivers when detected above the speed limit was interesting. Ted Baillieu wants to revert back to the 10 % tolerance and Steve Bracks says his lower tolerance has saved lives. I couldn't believe the journo who questioned Baillieu though, he just babled the usual Govt line regarding speed, a puppet whose strings were pulled by Spring St. Unbelievable!
cheers
Bill

[XR8GRL]

Ofcourse Steve has saved lives :alien2:

[Kryton]

Political Thread......

Kill It.

[[Tonko]]

Originally Posted by davway

Political Thread......

Kill It.

whats wrong with a political thread? i find it more useful than one on what someone saw on ebay this morning, or the head gasket/altezza taillight threads...

[Kryton]

Originally Posted by TonkoXR8

whats wrong with a political thread?

because:
A) they always end the same way.
B) they arent allowed.

[Falcon Coupe]

Baillieu FTW.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

Baillieu FTW.

.....FTW?



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[Longreach]

FTW = For The Win
I believe, well i understand it does in other contexts not 100% sure about this one but would presume so.

[kyro_02]

10% FTW .. steve bracks should get off his money pitt :gren: :

[iCat]

i just can't believe that 10% isn't the norm anyway, since it matches our ADR's for speedos. In effect, none of us know how accurate our speedo is - we could be under or we could be over the posted speed limit. as for the lower tolerance saving lives - what a load of rubbish. as i said, we have no idea that our speedos are accurate anyway.

preaching to the coverted i know, but just on my soapbox!

[Auslandau]

Yep.
This should be a poll! Saw only bits but has to be Baillieu.



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[uranium_death]

I don't really care about the tolerance since I never purposely go over the limit anyway.
And regarding political threads...agreed. Better than "I found some crap on Ebay" or "This Ebayer is dishonest". At least this thread has the potential to aggravate some thought.

[Kryton]

Originally Posted by uranium_death

And regarding political threads...agreed. Better than "I found some crap on Ebay" or "This Ebayer is dishonest". At least this thread has the potential to aggravate some thought.

well so long as it doesnt get nasty like political threads ALWAYS do, this thread might be one of the few that wont get locked.

keep it clean if you dont want it shut down.

[SpoolMan]

Originally Posted by davway

keep it clean if you dont want it shut down.

Good advice.....
If this cant be achieved, it will be closed very quickly..._2:

[Ruger]

i know for a fact that the speedo in my BA is out at 150k's it shows 160 as proven at the track.
thats a 3 year old car imagine what a 15 year old car would be like. 10 percent should be minimum.

[Kryton]

Originally Posted by Ruger

i know for a fact that the speedo in my BA is out at 150k's it shows 160 as proven at the track.
thats a 3 year old car imagine what a 15 year old car would be like. 10 percent should be minimum.

we have a Police Pack VTII (ex ambo squad car) so it has digital speedo as well as the 2km increment needle.
i can say with certainty that the speedo is within the 3% spec that everyone is getting fined for.
100kmh on the digital is 103kmh on the needle.
the 100kmh digital is also verified by the freeway speed checks around the outskirts of melbourne.

[MO]

To all those that don't want 3% and want 10% nows your chance..you have the vote!!

[Outbackjack]

In the NT we have gone from, what ever is comfortable to 130. Now +/- 10 % equals upper limit is 143. Slower than I am used to but better than what the dictators down south reckon is safe.....

[EL_futuraistic]

no questioning the statemt that Bracks is a Tossa. The speed debate is never ending....... however Baillieu sees like a bigger Nuff Nuff than bracksy. His current "promises list" will put victoria back into debt........ politicians... all the same.

Why dont they develope a National Ruling on this issue....... rather than have states bickering.....

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by MO

To all those that don't want 3% and want 10% nows your chance..you have the vote!!

As much as i hate the limp wristed "personality of an indoor plant" "take credit for Jeffs hard work" that is called Bracks I hope people put a little more effort into understanding who to vote for than just the speed tollerence....

[Hawk]

Originally Posted by davway

the 100kmh digital is also verified by the freeway speed checks around the outskirts of melbourne.

The same speed checks that said I was doing 75km/h when the needle in my car was sitting on 110.

Hmmmmm.

[Kryton]

Originally Posted by Hawk

The same speed checks that said I was doing 75km/h when the needle in my car was sitting on 110.

Hmmmmm.

well 2 speed checks in Melbourne and 1 in ballarat all saying the same as the police cluster digital speedo in the car is enough for me to know what is right.

[Bluefreak]

Originally Posted by davway

well 2 speed checks in Melbourne and 1 in ballarat all saying the same as the police cluster digital speedo in the car is enough for me to know what is right.

2 cars side by side, my wife in one and me in the other... Very little fluctuation in speed right through the speed trap (Ballarat), 14kph difference in the readings... That and everytime I go through the same speed trap solo, I range from 96kph to 114kph while indicated 110kph on the speedo... Went through the one on the Hume with a horse float on, sat on speed limit and it failed to read. Mate who was 10 mins behind also with a float on failed to trigger it. I can only guess it thought we were going either too fast or too slow as my lane showed readings for the cars in front of me.

[Silver Ghia]

I think 10% tolerance is much more realistic as its so easy in some responsive cars without cruise control like my wifes Lancer (not the I6 Ghia which isnt that responsive), to creep over the speed limit without realising. In these cars one eye needs to be kept on the speedo, which could be better used looking out for the unexpected on the road.

Therefore for this reason, it could be even safer to have a 10% tolerance rather than 3%.

[Bill M]

The caretaker Premier Steve Bracks painted a picture of increased fatalities if a 10% tolerance was reintroduced.I don't believe this would be the case. For those that dislike political threads I understand why but given the number of posts and media attention paid to the issue of speedo tolerance I felt justified in raising this issue before an election on this board. If I have broken rules on political posts that is my mistake and I accept responsibility.
cheers
Bill.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Bill M

The caretaker Premier Steve Bracks painted a picture of increased fatalities if a 10% tolerance was reintroduced.I don't believe this would be the case.

Of course he did because if he didn't then he was WRONG. And as there has never been a politician admit he was wrong EVER, he must be right.

As stated above. You guys have complained about this ad nauseum. You now can do something about it. If you do not then stop complaining.

"A democracy always gets the Government it deserves" (Adolf Hitler)
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch" (Benjamin Franklin).
"Freedom, liberty and equality are when the lamb has a gun" (flappist)

[sprjenkins]

i've always voted labour but i'm so sick of bracks, i just have to vote for baillieu

[Full Spectrum]

Originally Posted by RedXR8220

They basically do have a national ruling on the issue, the ADR states that the speedo only has to be within 10% of your actual speed. And just for your info it was the Mr Kennet's Libs that pulled Victoria OUT of debt from the previous Kirner Labor Government.

Thats because he privatised the state


But on speeds what stupid person allows you too get away with speeding at higher speeds more so then lower speeds.
I'd rather a 10% tolerance at 90 below and 5% 100 above. You shouldn't get away with more at higher speeds.
Too anyone that believes there speddo is out have it looked at, One hit in the pocket by your own hand is better then 2 hits on the pocket forced by a speeding fine.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by SlickHolden

Thats because he privatised the state


But on speeds what stupid person allows you too get away with speeding at higher speeds more so then lower speeds.
I'd rather a 10% tolerance at 90 below and 5% 100 above. You shouldn't get away with more at higher speeds.
Too anyone that believes there speddo is out have it looked at, One hit in the pocket by your own hand is better then 2 hits on the pocket forced by a speeding fine.

You really have no idea do you?

The circumference of your tyres is dependent on:
Tread wear (new tyres are bigger)
Temperature of the road
Gas pressure in the tyres (which is also temp dependent)
Load carried
Temperture of the rims
Deformation due to rotational vectors (worse with smaller rims)

Your speedometer calculates indirectly from the number of rotations of your wheel per second.
If the wheel is wider because it has expanded you will travel further per rotation therefore your speedo will read lower.

To be 3% out of tollerence you need less than 0.5% increase in radius.
In the case of a standard falcon wheel with is about 65cm to be 3% out is a difference of about 3mm. How deep is your tread?

Of course those are Ford measurements, I am sure you will tell me that Holden measurements are faster and more accurate.......

[Full Spectrum]

Originally Posted by flappist

You really have no idea do you?

The circumference of your tyres is dependent on:
Tread wear (new tyres are bigger)
Temperature of the road
Gas pressure in the tyres (which is also temp dependent)
Load carried
Temperture of the rims
Deformation due to rotational vectors (worse with smaller rims)

Your speedometer calculates indirectly from the number of rotations of your wheel per second.
If the wheel is wider because it has expanded you will travel further per rotation therefore your speedo will read lower.

To be 3% out of tollerence you need less than 0.5% increase in radius.
In the case of a standard falcon wheel with is about 65cm to be 3% out is a difference of about 3mm. How deep is your tread?

Of course those are Ford measurements, I am sure you will tell me that Holden measurements are faster and more accurate.......

But with the 3% they also ad 2kp/h on top. So @ 60 kp/h we are looking at 66kp/h that will get you caught.

My wheels are Back 225/60/R15. Front 205/65/R15.
I haven't had a speeding fine even by accident.
Again it's why Speedos are out too allow for wear deterioration of tyres rims conditions etc.

Of course holdens measurements are more accurate and faster why would you think other wise :