would you give naturaly therapies a go.

[Angry Beaver]

If you where told by so many doctors that there was not much they could do for your child and that the only thing to help him was speech therapy some occupational therapy etc, ( which has not done much for your child) would you look to alternative treatments, ie naturopaths, homeopathics etc. We are currently looking at this form of treatment for dayton as his condition has now been even more complicated by the increase in his autistic behaviour. I found out some alternative treatments that sound like they may give some excellent outcomes and figured what else have we got to lose, since the doctors dont wish to help much. So i would like to know who else would take this action even if they where skeptical. : py:

[rag top]

Personally, I would look at combining the speech therapy, occupational therapy with a naturpath etc.

I've seen some remarkable results with my sister in law and the naturpath...

[bindi]

OH HELL YES! Now, being an Aromatherapist I suppose it could come across that I am a little biased, but it's through personal experience that I say yes and NOT cos of my profession.

My daughter, aged 11, in July 04 was having pains in her side (right), lower back, and right up to her belly button. She got so bad I took her to the hospital, and basically after THREE WEEKS of being in agony (sent home, brought back in, sent to the Childrens' Hospital, sent home etc), the doctors had no idea what was wrong cos it wasn't anything surgical (appendix, kidneys etc). The Paediatrician declared she was constipated.

Cut a long story short, I decided "f*&k this" and took her to a Naturopath (also Chiropractor and Osteopath). He listened to us for over an HOUR, asking us to tell him anything that we have not told the doctors for fear of being labelled "weird" or put in the too-hard-basket - so we let him have it :evil_laug

He then discovered her L3 vertabrae (near the base of the spine) was out of alignment, and was radiating pain round to her front. A course of homeopathic remedies and magnesium eased her pain enough so that he could realign her back.

He did this over a few weeks, and she was cured. So much for constipation hey.

So now we go to him a damn sight more than the doc.

DO IT, give it a go, you may be pleasantly surprised :1syellow1

[XRated]

Give it a shot, I don't think you have anything to lose if you have tried most of these other paths that you have already taken.

Originally Posted by bindi

He then discovered her L3 vertabrae (near the base of the spine) was out of alignment, and was radiating pain round to her front. A course of homeopathic remedies and magnesium eased her pain enough so that he could realign her back.

In grade six I suffered sicknesses/pains each day (especially in the morning) and it wasn't just because I didn't want to go to school! I saw my doctor multiple times, went to different doctors, went to a specialist a few times (blood samples etc), hospital for X-Rays, everything.

One day my mum spoke to a neighbour who suffered constant migraines and saw a chiropractor. So we decided to give it a shot...

I remember laying down with butterflies in my stomach and the chiropractor positioning my arms etc. Next *craaaaaaaa-aaaaaaaaack* my back cracked SO much! Apparently pockets of air caught in my spine some how. And again, and again. I got up and nearly fainted...

Since that FIRST day, I felt 80-90% better. Saw him a couple more times and I was 100% again within a couple of weeks. Something in my spine/verterbrae was touching and causing pains somehow. We'll never forgot him.

Strangely enough, all this came back to the time when I came off my BMX and landed straight on my head and my spine compressed together and got out of alignment. Not fun.

[bindi]

Originally Posted by XRated

I remember laying down with butterflies in my stomach and the chiropractor positioning my arms etc. Next *craaaaaaaa-aaaaaaaaack* my back cracked SO much! Apparently pockets of air caught in my spine some how. And again, and again. I got up and nearly fainted...

Since that FIRST day, I felt 80-90% better. Saw him a couple more times and I was 100% again within a couple of weeks. Something in my spine/verterbrae was touching and causing pains somehow. We'll never forgot him.

Well we are the same, we will never forget what our Naturopath did for our daughter when all else failed, and so quickly too! She thinks he's brilliant (as the whole family does now)

And LuvinmyEB, my god - what a list! I am glad to hear of another massage therapist amongst this group (I know exactly what you mean about sore hands, that is why I have stopped for now)... and I am often surprised at the amount of nurses who are also alternative therapists. It's great to see.

Mike Gayner, to me there must be something in what we are saying if so many people have been helped the world over... you are entitled to your opinion but if it works for us does it really matter how the homeopathics are produced?

Even if homeopathics are 99% water, the 1% of whatever actual ingredient is in it can be of more use than 99% of the medicines some doctors give their patients (and 99% less harmful too).

I think I'd better go now or I might get grumpy... :

[Racecraft]

For sure, aromatherapy, the benifits of massage and even acupuncture were once seen as natural and oddball too (only by us stubborn westerners of course).

I know quite a few people that have been doing the 'test referral run-around' within what we like to call conventional medicine. It is hard enough sometimes to first diagnose an issue let alone recieve any advice or offer any reccomendations to actually fix the problem.
Trips to natural medicine practitioners have yeilded progress from the first visit.

Personally I wouldn't hesitate to look into the practices and more importantly the practitioners (as that is where the skill and knowledge lies imo) of any field of healing.

Best of luck with it.

[Dodge]

place some crystals around the home, do a cleansing too, then take the kid to a kneisieologist (spelling) for allagy tests ,
also if your kids are in a pleasent atmosphere with lots of learning games, not PS2 ect they will devlope faster than the kid who eats rubbish and watches tv all day.

[Angry Beaver]

from day one dayton was a difficult baby. He would have to have been the worst out of all four. He was lactose intolerant, colic(caused by the lactose intolerance) and reflux that was impressive ( for the new parents, two types of reflux the happy chuckers who it doesnt bother at all and the not happy chuckers) we resorted to tablets to controll the reflux and lactose free milk but then grandma found out about a certain type of massage. We drove all the way from bald hills to noosa to see this doctor and oh my god the results where instant. he could sit up and hold himself more and there wasnt as much crying. He also found when doing the massage that daytons dyaphram (spelling) had at some stage managed to fold itself so he manourved it back to normal. this took a few visits and by the time he was 12 months old we had reduced the tablets and then by the time he was 18 months old he was off them, but that was only to be followed by nikita who was put on them. he has no sign of reflux but even if he did he does not have the muscle tone to throw up like normal kids, he ends up aspirating the vomit. I wanted other peoples thoughts on it as i think casper and i need the support because it is not going to be easy when we tell the paeditrician what we are doing. so cheers so far for the oks.

[bindi]

How old is Dayton now? And he's breathing in the vomit because of poor muscle tone in his oesophagus?

You shouldn't have to "fight" the Paediatricians, remember YOU are the parent and the one who decides what is right for your child. And if they really give you guilt trips, tell them to : off and either threaten to, or do take your child elsewhere.

Natural therapies have their place in society for sure. I feel they fill the void where doctors have no idea, and alternative therapies really do work.

Use Sandalwood essential oil in an oil burner for calm and courage, and Clary Sage for clarity and strength. (Use 3 drops Sandalwood and 1 drop Clary Sage ok?).

And I'll help fight with you!

[Angry Beaver]

he doesnt vomit now unless he gets gastro but thats the risk we run if he does. the low muscle tone is more the trunk of his body. if you think about it you use your stomach muscles alot when you throw up but daytons dont function in that way they look strong but the actual messages to the brain dont get through properly ( thats actual what they mean when they say low muscle tone. to me i thought it was the other way dont figure). The doctors hands are tired because they cannot go out side of the square that medical society lives in so the ones who see natural therapies as an alternative have to be care ful about recommending it. Our paeditrician isnt so bad but the other doctors that dayton sees like the ent specialist are old school and dont believe. Thanks.

[LuvinmyEB]

Dayton is your child and you can have him treated by whomever you see fit, I'm a huge advocate of natural remedies. I've done aromatherapy and I'm also a Massuese (although I haven't given a massage for a while because my hands get way too sore now). I know Dayton wouldn't benefit from massage but, there are so many other alternatives out there.

I've seen people give up on Western medicine and suffer in silence for years, then in a last ditch attempt will go to a naturopath/acupuncturist/osteopath etc only to find that they're cured or their symptoms have been relieved within a couple of visits.

So if you decide to go this route, just remember that western medicine is only really just starting, whereas other alternatives have been around for thousands and thousands of years.

Pay no heed to what the old school Doctors think, just nod and smile when they attempt to sway you or even laugh at the suggestion of natural remedies.

Good Luck! _2:

P.S. I'm a Registered nurse also, but no longer a practising one.

[svo347]

I also agree with everyones comments here....
You said it yourself Mrs C You have nothing to lose & everything to gain..
Good Luck guys!!!!......

[MotherNatureVer2]

Mrs Casper .... Go for it sweety ;)

There are so many varied ways of treating different symptoms. I know you are much like me & will go to the ends of the earth to make sure your kids are OK .......

Know that we are & will always support you in whatever direction you need to go to help Dayton have a happier life ;)

[Mike Gayner]

I worked at a homoeopathic clinic for two years making the remedies and I can say with total honesty that homoeopathy is a load of bollocks. You would all laugh if you knew what was in those remedies.

[LuvinmyEB]

Originally Posted by Mike Gayner

I worked at a homoeopathic clinic for two years making the remedies and I can say with total honesty that homoeopathy is a load of bollocks. You would all laugh if you knew what was in those remedies.

Mike, we're not talking about the spam that you get in your email here, "Try a bottle of vinegar to cure your impotence."

We are talking about people that have studied for years, Acupunturists actually study longer in their theory than a General Practioner does, then is only allowed to practise under the guidance of a qualified and registered Acupunturist.

If you go to a good homeopath or naturopath they'll make up the remedies in front of you and also tell you what is going into each one. I have more allergies than I care to mention as well as having diabetes, epilepsy, seasonal affective disorder, polycystic ovarian syndrome, panic disorder and suffer from migraines that cause transient ischemic attacks (small blood clots that cause temporary strokes).

I have a list of every herb that I should not touch because they'll interact with the medications I have to take every day. I also have a list of things that I can take the far outweigh what I cannot take. I would rather go to a naturopath and use their rememdies than go to the Doctors who will prescribe anything that they think will cure what ails you, without even looking at your list of allergies or asking about your background.

I've gone into anaphylactic shock, had asthma attacks, suffered from hives, had high blood sugar levels, had fall to the floor and nearly go into a coma hypoglycemic attacks with drugs that Western medicine has invented.

I can't say the same thing about any naturopath, acupuncturist, massuese, aromatherapist or osteopath that I've ever seen.

[gtfpv]

id'd try a naturapath. or alternate treatment. dont believe in crystal bullshit and things like that though. i'm sure you will know a wierdo if you come across one so stay clear if you do. but natural therapy and massage and comfort can be worth a try . medicine and science dont always bring good results . but positive chin up attitude and prayer together with persistance can never give up dont blame yourself if you can't fix your child. but always belieave he can and may be cured some day and look forward to that day. dont let him feel like a burden. hope it goes well good luck

[MO]

Give it a go it works for some and not for others,as Dr James Wright is want to say"Doctors these days over perscribe,most average ailments the body will fix itself given time"

The big thing is if you don't feel comfortable about what some natural therapist says,then see another its the same for western medicine if your not sure get a second opinion.

What have you got to lose, a few dollars and whats that compared to you kids wellbeing.

I have combined the two in the past. Can't hurt to balance the odds.

[b2tf]

Yes, i know they have made a lot of difference for my mum who had a stroke when i was born. Theyve helped her out a lot.

Gambit was an asthma and excema (spell) baby, and as my brother is a chiropractor we took his advice and consulted a naturopath, after having no success with our local gp. And we were very happy with the result. My father has used natural therapies all his life, so it was an easy choice for us.

[Steve_T]

I would agree here definatley and say go for natural therapies. If you find the right type of therapy(s) and the right therapist to administer them, I would be almost certain you would get positive results like you haven't seen through 'conventional' medicine yet. IMHO the whole idea behind most conventional medicine is wrong - it doesn't make sense like natural therapies do if you have a good think. Conventional medicine can actually do more harm than good too. Also keep in mind that virtually any problem can be fixed given time, good attitude/will power and the right therapy.

[Steve_T]

Oh, and don't forget the basics like drinking lots of clean water, getting plenty of fresh air and sunlight and avoiding too much exposure to EM radiation (ie. most modern appliances lol) bad chemicals and processed/artificial foods etc. and the difference all this can make on it's own.

[gtfpv]

you'll find as he grows older he will get stronger and more resiliant to this condition.if all goes well. chin up good luck....

[Angry Beaver]

ok i apologize i left something very important out of the whole argument. Dayton also has a genetic stuff up. He has a deletion on the 22 chromosome. basically he has trouble with speech is not supposed to be walking among a few of the things we were told. Secondly on top of that he has developed autism, not as bad as some he still likes to be cuddled (just ask brad and rick and shane). We want to treat the autism as it is causing us the most problems at the moment. The doctors dont want to really know about the genetic problem as it is a rare condition and not much is known and lets face it there is nothing that can be done for a genetic stuff up. So this is why we are going to trial the homeopathic. Basically we dont have anything to lose and atleast somebody in somesort of medicall proffession whether it be natural or conventional has bothered to stick there hand up and actually help us. So thats just all i wanted to add. thanks

[Leah]

I'm a true believer of natural remedies. I did calisthenics for 18 years, and in the last few years it took its toll. In my 16th year i had a big hip injury and was taken to hospital, where i was told i would need a series of operations and be out of action for 6-8 weeks, and never do calisthenics again. After weeks of xrays and scans and drugs that my body was rejecting and that i was having allergic reactions to, mum decided to take me to an accupuncturist (spelling) that she had heard about. After one session, I was already feeling better. After 2 sessions, I was off all drugs and my crutches, and after 5-6 sessions, i was 100%.

In my final year of calisthenics, I had a major shoulder injury, and my shoulder was continually popping in and out of the joint, my accupuncture lady had gone back to malaysia (i think) to do some training, so mum decided to send me back to the doctor who immediately booked me in for a full shoulder reco. Its now like 5 years since i had that done. I still have excrutiating pain shoot through my arm every now and then, i have less strength in my arm and i only have partial movement in that shoulder socket.

After all this...I really honestly believe that alternative medicine is the way to go. Wether it be accupuncture, homeopathy, naturapathy etc... I honestly believe it works! Afterall, anything has to be better than getting cut open, or feed a cocktail of medication for months or even years no matter what age you are.

Mrs Casper, I say go for it!

[FTE217]

Mr and Mrs C you try anything anything to give your kid a better quality of life.....nothing else matters but our kids.....If I was in your position I would try alternative medicines. Best of luck and go for it.

[Steve_T]

mrs casper - just one note regarding the genetic problem. Don't wanna build false hopes here either or anything but fact is you shouldn't give up or accept the fact that it's a genetic problem so it can't be fixed. I'm not saying there is any specific treatment for it, I'm saying the fix could be within his own body. Maybe don't think of it as a fix but a workaround. It's amazing what the body can actually do in terms of working around problems and developing it's own unique traits in how it works to overcome a unique problem. Eg. if you just try to develop the things like speech for example. Just concentrate on therapy to get him to be able to speak and don't worry about how or why it can/can't happen - his body will find it's own way to make it happen if you know what I mean.