Covid 19 -

[Franco Cozzo]

I see Crown Casino has had it's exemption revoked - but they've just closed the main gaming floor, the VIP rooms are still operating.

[Franco Cozzo]

Also is there constitutional issues with states closing their borders?

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Also is there constitutional issues with states closing their borders?

I was reading an article on this.

Professor Williams, the dean of law at the University of New South Wales said the following;

"Under section 109 of the constitution, if there is a conflict [between a federal and a state law] the federal law takes precedence".

"So once you get into areas that are clearly subject to federal regulation you could only proceed at a state level if you have Commonwealth support and the Commonwealth essentially providing room for the state to charter its own course".

So while it might be unconstitutional for a State Government to close its state borders, the commonwealth can over rule.

The problem and conflict in closing state borders is because...

"We have section 92 of the Australian constitution and it says trade, commerce and intercourse amongst the states shall be absolutely free."

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

I was reading an article on this.

Professor Williams, the dean of law at the University of New South Wales said the following;

"Under section 109 of the constitution, if there is a conflict [between a federal and a state law] the federal law takes precedence".

"So once you get into areas that are clearly subject to federal regulation you could only proceed at a state level if you have Commonwealth support and the Commonwealth essentially providing room for the state to charter its own course".

So while it might be unconstitutional for a State Government to close its state borders, the commonwealth can over rule.

The problem and conflict in closing state borders is because...

"We have section 92 of the Australian constitution and it says trade, commerce and intercourse amongst the states shall be absolutely free."

Yep , that's a curly one but I guess when the constitution was written (unless section 92 is an amendment of course) none of these infection type matters would have been thought of at the time , aka coronavirus , various flu epidemics , SARS/viruses , EBOLA , HIV and such . ..Maybe trade and commerce are the key constituents though if they can find a way to allow that . We're in transit of people lockdown here in Tassie but the Premier insists that freight is exempt at this stage... Interesting ...

[HIPO]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

Trump better get off his rhetoric filled backside and start making some very hard decisions . I hope the malaria drug makes a difference . That'd be great but they're now saying that the disease is going to have a much bigger impact on the USA than what Trump says . Listen to him at his press conferences and he trots out the usual crap he usually does trying to say that it's under control. It bloody isn't . Tell the American people the total truth Trump because if they get told that it might make it easier to get them to self isolate or take better measures in public.

They're just saying on TV now that it's spread ten times the size of infections in New York State in the past seven days with 8000 confirmed infected that they know of .

By all means quickly trial the malaria drug but that's not going to wipe out the disease for a fair while even if hopefully it's pretty effective on current sick people.
It's multiplying spreading as each day passes so all sorts of decisions not least by Trump's mob have to start happening right now.

BENT msm…………………….

[GO FURTHER]

Well, never in my life have I ever had to get up at 6.30am in the morning to drive in the dark just to buy bog roll.

And no, I'm not a hoarder.

(My wife could not get any yesterday in our area, after going to 3 supermarkets, and even standing in a long queue for half an hour, after which an announcement was made there was none left).

At 6.50a.m., I stood amongst 50 people outside the supermarket waiting for it to open its doors at 7.00am.

Doors open, and everyone rushes to the same aisle.

None on the shelves, "great!" I thought, then saw a woman with a roll in her hands... "Where did you get that?", I said.

"Oh, you have to go to the back door, they are being handed out one per customer by the security guards".

It's a crazy world at the moment.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Well, never in my life have I ever had to get up at 6.30am in the morning to drive in the dark just to buy bog roll.

And no, I'm not a hoarder.

(My wife could not get any yesterday in our area, after going to 3 supermarkets, and even standing in a long queue for half an hour, after which an announcement was made there was none left).

At 6.50a.m., I stood amongst 50 people outside the supermarket waiting for it to open its doors at 7.00am.

Doors open, and everyone rushes to the same aisle.

None on the shelves, "great!" I thought, then saw a woman with a roll in her hands... "Where did you get that?", I said.

"Oh, you have to go to the back door, they are being handed out one per customer by the security guards".

It's a crazy world at the moment.

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Make sure you wash your hands when you get home because it looks like you may have touched a Mitsubishi (or Renault)

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Make sure you wash your hands when you get home because it looks like you may have touched a Mitsubishi (or Renault)

Haha... Never take my Pony to supermarket shopping centres, that's what the ASX is for.

[Pis-ton broke]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Well, never in my life.....".

It's a crazy world at the moment.

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personally i,m good for date rolls, i,m also refining my techinc.
they say scruntures use more paper.

i brought a bag of rags three weeks ago, if i get desperate, ill use them. they are re-usable, poo washes off.

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Well, never in my life have I ever had to get up at 6.30am in the morning to drive in the dark just to buy bog roll.

And no, I'm not a hoarder.

(My wife could not get any yesterday in our area, after going to 3 supermarkets, and even standing in a long queue for half an hour, after which an announcement was made there was none left).

At 6.50a.m., I stood amongst 50 people outside the supermarket waiting for it to open its doors at 7.00am.

Doors open, and everyone rushes to the same aisle.

None on the shelves, "great!" I thought, then saw a woman with a roll in her hands... "Where did you get that?", I said.

"Oh, you have to go to the back door, they are being handed out one per customer by the security guards".

It's a crazy world at the moment.

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At least you got some...At our local supermarket no rolls other than lunch ones.. Some crowd came in on Wednesday and bought the lot apparently and the next bulk order as of yesterday haven't arrived .
Got six left myself so probably 2-3 weeks worth...It might come to this ....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1slfANkyv4s....

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

At least you got some...At our local supermarket no rolls other than lunch ones.. Some crowd came in on Wednesday and bought the lot apparently and the next bulk order as of yesterday haven't arrived .
Got six left myself so probably 2-3 weeks worth...It might come to this ....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1slfANkyv4s....

This was on bookface a few days ago, perhaps she's branched to Tassie

[superyob]

My point is proven but it gets deleted... ^^^

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

This was on bookface a few days ago, perhaps she's branched to Tassie

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Could be....Pretty poor form wherever they're from ..

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

At least you got some...At our local supermarket no rolls other than lunch ones.. Some crowd came in on Wednesday and bought the lot apparently and the next bulk order as of yesterday haven't arrived .
Got six left myself so probably 2-3 weeks worth...It might come to this ....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1slfANkyv4s....

Hey Roddy, with your borders closed. Maybe no more deliveries of dunny rolls on the Princess of Tasmania?

[Citroënbender]

The new world of drone espionage and drone-facilitated petty crime; pinch it from one house and for a fee - deliver it to another without leaving the drone’s grip inbetween. There’s going to be people facilitating this; a bog roll log rôle making bones from drones in homes.

[PG2]

Originally Posted by superyob

My point is proven but it gets deleted... ^^^

Your point is not proven. This is an actual incident, yours was one big swipe at multiculturalism.

If you have any problems with how this forum is moderated either send me a PM or message admin outlining your problem(s).

Any further posts whinging will be deleted.


EDIT: I also don't want to see any threads being bombarded with youtube/facebook links showing anyone bulk purchasing.

[GO FURTHER]

Oh boy, starting to hit home soil...

My daughter is ringing the clinic now, her partner has sore throat, fever and dry cough.

[.:4:.]

Now i am no economist and dont claim to be, but lately ive heard a few very uneducated opinions. Pretty much dumb stuff like people saying the government should give people money and not worry about the economy. Thats not how it works. After the last gfc, it took a long time for my work to pick up. No companies wanted to spend money. How did that affect me as an employee? Simple, reduced work coming in means less overtime. At the moment with so many of my clients working from home, i have not a huge amount to do. So i can sence it taking a long time to recover from this.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by .:4:.

i can sence it taking a long time to recover from this.

This will be the biggest challenge of all after the critical virus threat has settled. Any small re outbreak in the months and years to come is likely to unsettle and undo any economic repair that was done not to mention the possibility of mutations which would render useless any testing and vaccine work currently validated.

Common sense is also being tested here and that’s also a concern as not everyone is adopting the same sense of responsibility. Human and cultural nature really is an interesting differentiator during these times. I just hope we all come out the other end of this somewhat wiser and with a better appreciation and a much higher weighting of the simple qualities of life v the material quantities of life....

[BENT_8]

A conservative Government committing 10% of GDP and doubling welfare with the stroke of a pen is unprecedented, if that's not enough to open the eyes of even the most ignorant/defiant to the impact that this will have on so many facets of society then I don't know what would be.

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

A conservative Government committing 10% of GDP and doubling welfare with the stroke of a pen is unprecedented, if that's not enough to open the eyes of even the most ignorant/defiant to the impact that this will have on so many facets of society then I don't know what would be.

When I heard that Trump, the ultimate-right-wing capitalist, was considering giving $1Trillion, not to keep people in work, BUT to instead keep 100 Million Americans to stay at home by paying them... You know things are more than serious.

[Bushbasher]

As a part time milk delivery driver, the average bogan dole bludger is now going to earn more money sitting on the couch, bong an beer in hand, than I make going to work and taking all the risk.

The average 2 child family on unemployment now will have more money coming in AND get all the benefits, than me the missus and 2 teenagers, and she's a health care coordinator dealing with in home aged care, so and we're basically essential services.


Ya got to laugh about it or you'd cry...

[cheap]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

Yep , that's a curly one but I guess when the constitution was written (unless section 92 is an amendment of course) none of these infection type matters would have been thought of at the time , aka coronavirus , various flu epidemics , SARS/viruses , EBOLA , HIV and such . ..Maybe trade and commerce are the key constituents though if they can find a way to allow that . We're in transit of people lockdown here in Tassie but the Premier insists that freight is exempt at this stage... Interesting ...

Look up 2015 Aust Biosecurity Act. And then the August 2019 Aust Pandemic Response Plan.

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by Bushbasher

As a part time milk delivery driver, the average bogan dole bludger is now going to earn more money sitting on the couch, bong an beer in hand, than I make going to work and taking all the risk.

The average 2 child family on unemployment now will have more money coming in AND get all the benefits, than me the missus and 2 teenagers, and she's a health care coordinator dealing with in home aged care, so and we're basically essential services.


Ya got to laugh about it or you'd cry...

Yep, dealers get paid cash and its not taxed, so no further comment.

[Franco Cozzo]

SA is another thats restricting travel, you can still go there but 14 day 'self quarantine'.

[Tickford.]

Nearly 40% of those Hospitalized for COVID-19 in the USA are under 55. 29% are 20 to 44 years old.

In France, 50 percent of the country’s COVID-19 patients in intensive care are under the age of 60.

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...r-older-adults

[guzzis3]

A conservative government implementing socialist policy is to be expected. The most radical right wing government in Australian history was Hawke's (and destroyed our country and culture in the process). Menzies on the other hand ran a highly nationalised regulated and closed economy.

Never confuse what they say with what they do.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Bushbasher

As a part time milk delivery driver, the average bogan dole bludger is now going to earn more money sitting on the couch, bong an beer in hand, than I make going to work and taking all the risk.

The average 2 child family on unemployment now will have more money coming in AND get all the benefits, than me the missus and 2 teenagers, and she's a health care coordinator dealing with in home aged care, so and we're basically essential services.


Ya got to laugh about it or you'd cry...

Im hearin' ya fella, my Wife works in aged care and im a casually employed school bus driver, when the schools get closed this week i'll be unemployed and unfortunately due to how much my Wife earns, which really isn't that much to be honest, we wont be entitled to anything from centrelink unless they lower the combined income test which means we'll lose $1400 per fortnight.
Thankfully we've lived off her wages alone for the past 2yrs and have used mine to pay off debt and save so we have a bit of a buffer we can lean on but it'll only stretch so far.

[kevino]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Im hearin' ya fella, my Wife works in aged care and im a casually employed school bus driver, when the schools get closed this week i'll be unemployed and unfortunately due to how much my Wife earns, which really isn't that much to be honest, we wont be entitled to anything from centrelink unless they lower the combined income test which means we'll lose $1400 per fortnight.
Thankfully we've lived off her wages alone for the past 2yrs and have used mine to pay off debt and save so we have a bit of a buffer we can lean on but it'll only stretch so far.

Are you paying rent?
Or own your house?
You can always pull 10k out of your depreciating super balance
Or flick the Kia and get a Laser.

[Pis-ton broke]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Oh boy, starting to hit home soil...

My daughter is ringing the clinic now, her partner has sore throat, fever and dry cough.

yeah , i hope things are ok.

these story's will start to come through now. a friend of a friend has it in the uk, and by reports shes not hospitalized and shes ill and eyes are hanging out.

just found out today my brother is in self isolation after a return from Bali.

this situation will start to hit home shortly.

i appreciate the the forum supporting communication about the current crisis.