Anybody read this????

Outbackjack · 15-06-2006, 01:59 PM

Sorry for plonking a URL in a post. This is a bit long, but if true, is a very interesting read.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...e#contentSwap2

MO · 15-06-2006, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Sorry for plonking a URL in a post. This is a bit long, but if true, is a very interesting read.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...e#contentSwap2

Sport to long and too involved...give me a synopsis....however given the union connection......you know.

Outbackjack · 15-06-2006, 10:30 PM

You really should take the time to read it. Seems that our PM is not from the hard working squeaky clean family he claims to be. Fraud, tax evasion and virtual slave labour would appear to be part of his family history. And he cant claim, "I didnt know" he was the one that sorted out his fathers affairs after he passed away. Like I said, if it is true.

MethodX · 15-06-2006, 11:27 PM

Not Teflon John, cant be !!!

So thats where he got his taste for the IR laws.

XRchic · 15-06-2006, 11:33 PM

Im all for the Bar and non car/Ford discussion, but lately, anyone would not be blamed for thinking this is the Anti-Howard Forums, not the Australian FORD Forums....

EF, What else? · 16-06-2006, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by XRchic

Im all for the Bar and non car/Ford discussion, but lately, anyone would not be blamed for thinking this is the Anti-Howard Forums, not the Australian FORD Forums....

Must be a reflection of Australian society, I hope!

Outbackjack · 16-06-2006, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by EF, What else?

Must be a reflection of Australian society, I hope!

I too hope this true, it is vital that any of our self proclaimed "honest, hard working" political leaders be exposed as what they really are. No matter where they sit in the house. These allegations certainly must give an insight into who Howard really is. If they are true. But it does read like a well researched article.

ltd · 16-06-2006, 09:20 AM

Does that mean you'll expose yourself as a "tool"; of the unions and a stooge of the ALP?

Outbackjack · 16-06-2006, 09:32 AM

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Does that mean you'll expose yourself as a "tool"; of the unions and a stooge of the ALP?

And you are a tool of the liberal party? If caring what happens to working Australians and their families makes me a tool of the labour party and the unions in your eye's, hey, thats fine with me.... How much do you care, beyond your own ambitions???? It is a trait of right wingers to look after themselves and dam the rest.

If the labour party get into power next election and try to pull the same crap as the incumbents I will be just as criticle as I am of Johnnie and his cronnies. It is called looking, learning and thinking. Something party drones have no idea how to do. And that goes for all party drones. Red, blue, green, red or yellow.

In none of my thread contributions will you see me blowing sunshine up the ALP's but!! Or the unions for that matter, so next time you make sweeping generalisations about some one, do a little research.....

Have a nice day.

ltd · 16-06-2006, 10:39 AM

In most of your recent contributions to this forum you have been the initiator of anti Howard propaganda; so don't start that "it wasn't me" crap.

As for being critical, in your last two posts you have criticised the IR laws from a position that would make Greg Combet jealous, and now it’s the PM’s father.

I’m not espousing political garb or making posts based on my political persuasions. I am against however Marxist sociologists who think that the world owes them a living and that those who work hard and make sacrifices should be stripped of reward to be distributed to lazy slobs who don’t make an effort.
If you fall into this category and are offended by my comments then tough luck.

Do a little spell checking.

Outbackjack · 16-06-2006, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ltd

In most of your recent contributions to this forum you have been the initiator of anti Howard propaganda; so don't start that "it wasn't me" crap.

As for being critical, in your last two posts you have criticised the IR laws from a position that would make Greg Combet jealous, and now it’s the PM’s father.

I’m not espousing political garb or making posts based on my political persuasions. I am against however Marxist sociologists who think that the world owes them a living and that those who work hard and make sacrifices should be stripped of reward to be distributed to lazy slobs who don’t make an effort.
If you fall into this category and are offended by my comments then tough luck.

Do a little spell checking.

Sorry Dude, you are not capable of offending me. I am far from a marxist. But I do believe that a countries wealth should be fairly distributed. Where did I say that fat lazy slobs should be rewarded?? I despise lazy dole bludgers that are too lazy or stupid to get a "proper job". You seem to be making a broad assumption that everyone is going to be better off under the new IR laws. This simply not the case, and you probably know it. People have already started to losse benefits and take home pay.
And if I seem to critisise johnny too much for your liking, too bad.

Dont call me a marxist because I have first hand experience of the US IR system, both here in Australia and having worked in the US for 4 years. The poverty in the US that some working families live in is enough to make any caring person shed a tear. You should try working a 60 hour week on a flat 7.50 p/h and pay your rent/mortgage, pay for schooling medical insurance, dental plans, food and all the other things neseccary to live. Is this what you want in Australia???

There must be a better way to compete with the poultry wages paid to asians and indians. Why has this gov set out to strip workers of their conditions. I would have thought that since this gov is so pro corportations and business's they would have taken away some of the burden's of doing business here. Perhaps they could lower company tax, force states to abolish payroll tax (what a crime that tax is) It's hard to see this gov as pro Australian worker, isn't it??

And this is a forum, not an english exam, get over the sloppy spelling. There are a truck load of posters that are a heap worse than me!!!

Have a great day.

ltd · 16-06-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Sorry Dude, you are not capable of offending me. I am far from a marxist. But I do believe that a countries wealth should be fairly distributed. Where did I say that fat lazy slobs should be rewarded?? I despise lazy dole bludgers that are too lazy or stupid to get a "proper job". You seem to be making a broad assumption that everyone is going to be better off under the new IR laws. This simply not the case, and you probably know it. People have already started to losse benefits and take home pay.
And if I seem to critisise johnny too much for your liking, too bad.

Dont call me a marxist because I have first hand experience of the US IR system, both here in Australia and having worked in the US for 4 years. The poverty in the US that some working families live in is enough to make any caring person shed a tear. You should try working a 60 hour week on a flat 7.50 p/h and pay your rent/mortgage, pay for schooling medical insurance, dental plans, food and all the other things neseccary to live. Is this what you want in Australia???

There must be a better way to compete with the poultry wages paid to asians and indians. Why has this gov set out to strip workers of their conditions. I would have thought that since this gov is so pro corportations and business's they would have taken away some of the burden's of doing business here. Perhaps they could lower company tax, force states to abolish payroll tax (what a crime that tax is) It's hard to see this gov as pro Australian worker, isn't it??

And this is a forum, not an english exam, get over the sloppy spelling. There are a truck load of posters that are a heap worse than me!!!

Have a great day.

I wasn't trying to offend you. Quite frankly, I could try to offend you but by all accounts you probably wouldn't understand.

So, in one paragraph you're saying that you're not a socialist; Marxist or otherwise, and in the next paragraph you're saying we should distribute the wealth?
I apologise then for incorrectly calling you a socialist, as it appears that you're a communist.
Furthermore, I was not referring to dole bludgers, that's a separate issue. I was referring to people who get into a job, do the bare minimum and then expect the rewards of others who have either studied hard or put in the extra effort to excel at what they do. Why should a doctor who has spent ten years of his life at university and works a 70-80 hour week be paid the same as say, a council worker? They both came into this world the same way; both of them went to school. One studied hard whilst the other took it easy.
One went to university and studied hard whilst the other started making money earlier and got the things he/she wanted sooner in life.

One went without and invested in his/her future career whilst the other enjoyed the freedom to do what they liked in their spare time. One faces the stresses of dealing with life and death on a daily basis, the other stresses about whether to have sauce on his meat pie.
How is that equitable?

Bitching about what is fair and what's not after not taking advantage of opportunities presented to us throughout our lives is the very definition of self-absorption. If that's the image you wish to perpetrate then good luck.

For the record, the IR laws were set up to take away the disincentive to employ staff, as thousands of vexatious IRC claims crippled thousands of small businesses. This is why they apply to companies with less than 100 employees. Over 100 employees and the new legislation doesn’t apply.
If you are a good worker and put in an honest days work then you have nothing to fear. If your employer is a bastard and abuses the staff then he is answerable to the new employment commission. Before you run any conspiracy theories about said commission might I remind you of the abattoir workers that were illegally sacked after the laws passed and have since been reinstated without penalty to conditions and/or pay rates.

The laws were also designed to encourage employees to work hard knowing that their efforts could be rewarded on an individual basis, as opposed to a collective pay rise. By working harder we gain efficiency, by gaining efficiency we can see what our core competencies are in this country and we can compete on a global scale. If we do nothing and continually over regulate the labour market we will all potentially be out of work in the next 50 years, and we'll all get to witness the mass exodus of companies moving offshore to lower costs.

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MO · 16-06-2006, 08:42 PM

Gentlemen.....Time Out!...lest the thread be closed...capiche.

Just for the record I am staunch unionist with Marxist/Leninist leanings and I don't like bludgers...you put in you get in return.

As for the communist bit try looking at our own indigineous and yes I did sociology at uni along with politics.

Anyway enough from me ...shall we now engage in reasonable verbal intercourse.

ltd just as an aside might I suggest you read 'Das Kapital' you might learn something.

Outbackjack · 16-06-2006, 09:00 PM

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Sadly john, many people with one eye for politics dont want to learn anything new or enlighting. I had to wipe the tears of laughter off my face when he called me a communist. Christ, in my professional life I work to help keep the capitalist system viable, at least I do my bit.

All the best to all, no more from me on this thread.

MO · 16-06-2006, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Sorry for plonking a URL in a post. This is a bit long, but if true, is a very interesting read.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...e#contentSwap2

Well what an interesting read unfortunately with todays spin doctors I doubt it will ever harm him.

Much like the Vesties company which only paid $1.00 in tax each year for more years than its worth mentioning.

Another scam where Australian pounds went back to the 'Old Dart'.

I guess it just goes to prove....'never judge a book by its cover'.