60 minutes riots story

[EB-maen]

I caught the story on 60 minutes about the suburb in which all that rioting took place (i cant remember the name of it so from now on i'll just refer to it as 'Hells Outhouse') and the mentality of the people that live there is downright appalling.

First of all, the whole 'cops kill kids' bullsh*t really ****es me off; I dont see how police doing their job by attempting to stop hooligans from braking the law and endangering other people is killing them, just because they are stupid enough to try and get away and end up crashing their stolen car. Mike munro was talking to a kid in one of the houses and he (the kid) said stuff like 'they needed a way to get home from their girlfriends place' and 'it beats walking' and the fact that they stole the car wasnt the point. And then, some other lebanese-looking individual saying crap like 'come and play coppa' is just stupid, not to mention the 'cops kill kids. we will kill you dogs' scrawled all over the fences.

I mean, sure, the problem here is definitely the scum that lives there, but also, you have to look at the way things are handled in Australia. I can honestly say that the way in which stuff like this is combatted is ****-weak. In places like germany france or the us, if a whole community started a riot and were injuring police and destroying property and writing threats on fences, the police wouldnt just stand around and take it, they would be authorised to use force, which is how it should be. Perhaps if the inhabitants of Hells Outhouse were taught a lesson that clearly tells them 'dont be d*ckheads because your moronic neighbours killed themselves while breaking the law, and vent your idiocy by attacking police officers', they may think twice before acting up in the future.

Thats what I believe anyway, Australia (the legal system) is too soft when it comes to cases like this, and I'm just wondering if anyone else feels the same? Once again, the mentality of these people is mind-boggling; I cant grasp how someone thinks that it is acceptable to steal cars, but when people who serve to uphold the law try and do their jobs, its 'murder'. Bloody infuriating.

Call me an evil dictator, but I'd say go 'escape from LA' style on the offenders and cordon them off away from the rest of society.

[Envious]

The place was Maquarie Fields, i believe there a few people in the forums that live in or around there...
As for the program, yes i watched it, yes the attitude of these people is appalling, and yes they all need their ***** kicked...
I felt like diving throught the tv and slapping the shit out of the kid that was saying that the fact they stole the car 'wasnt the point' and that stealing a car 'beats walking', 'they had to get home from their girlfriends house somehow'

Disgraceful.....

Worst part is, its only going to get worse.....

[M14A-Mclaren]

Paragraphs are always good! I think this doco was shown here (NZ) not too long ago as well.

[EB-maen]

yeah, i guess it was a bit hard to read fluently. fixed now

[XRated]

I didn't actually see it... However, I do agree whole-heartedly with our bullshit, **** weak legal system. If they don't get tough, this type of behaviour just gets taken out of hand.

Rapists, murderers, theives; they all get off too easy in this day and age. I just wish the people higher up would put their foot down and do something about it.

[shane3]

Originally Posted by Envious

The place was Maquarie Fields, i believe there a few people in the forums that live in or around there...
As for the program, yes i watched it, yes the attitude of these people is appalling, and yes they all need their ***** kicked...
I felt like diving throught the tv and slapping the shit out of the kid that was saying that the fact they stole the car 'wasnt the point' and that stealing a car 'beats walking', 'they had to get home from their girlfriends house somehow'

Disgraceful.....

Worst part is, its only going to get worse.....

This is why mass sterilization is a good thing, And I,Q testing should be mandatory before breeding can take place!

[MO]

ok on the news tonight there was a high up police officer from the US,over here for a police conference,who when asked about the way our cops handled the situation..said "I don't see a problem,I've been to much worse back home"
He further intimated that it was more a skirmish than a riot and have to agree with that,same as Redfern a skirmish not a riot.
Given that these days coppers have to be so POLITICALLY correct,the days of real coppers are gone.

[Sylox]

It just makes me shake my head. IMHO they should come down on them and HARD. If the police can't do it/don't have the man power, then send in some of our Highly trained armed forces (with non lethal weapons) Capture and detain all of those involved in the chaos and hit them with the book as hard as possible.

[MrFlibbles]

selective breeding might help.....?

[bdave351]

The coppers could deal with it no worries , wade right in , its just that they will never be on the street again as they write answers to complaints and get sued.

Despite the fact we would all be supporting them. Just like the copper who shot the car thief who tried to run him over and got charged.

[loxxr6]

What ****ed me off was the fact that they didn't hold the driver of the car to blame for what happened, it was all the cop's fault. wtf !?!? There didn't appear to be any animosity to the driver at all. How does that work out ?

And then, some other lebanese-looking individual saying crap like 'come and play coppa' is just stupid,

He was just begging for a beating.

Thing is, the mentality of us versus them is going to be there for along while so nothing's going to change for the better for ages.

It sure looked like a warzone....

[Kryton]

the criminal system is too weak. that is why there are little ghetto scumbags saying shit like "its not the point i stole". if you steal a car and are chased by the cops, it is NOT the cops fault if YOU crash and die (or whatever). you have a choice. i personally know a few people where i live that records that are literally 15 pages long and they are only 20-21 years old. the latest one got done for stealing a car (drove around town with a CB scoping out cars till a 'good one' was found - (pre meditated)). he went and flogged it while his mates sat a block back and watched. then they all went and cained the shit out of it, samshed it up, jumped on the roof and set fire to it after all that. court day has just been and gone and he got a good behavior bond (about the 40th - which all have been broken) because he spent 5 days locked up and "it really scared the shit out of him". he also cried in court too....just for that extra bit of sympathy. he also stated that he is "easily influenced and intimidated into doing things"

so you now see how the system works, why ****wits have such great respect for other people, and why people get the shit beaten out of them regularly.

i say bring back some REAL mofo JUDGES and let them loose in the courts. the message WILL be heard when your doing 5-10 for stealing cars or for being the scum of society.

[82falcon]

I think there is a whole social side to this story that is being missed. I am not making excuses for those involved, truly is disgusting behavior. However, This is one of Sydneys poorest suburbs, i think nearly half the houses are public housing.
Did you see The police presence? Seemed very intimidating, getting watched. If you lived there, didnt know all the facts and just saw heaps of cops watching everyone, im sure you would get defensive too.
Im not saying that rioting and stealing cars are excusable by poverty, but creating an 'us vs them' mentality is what i think fuelled those 'skirmishes'. Alot more thought needs to go into it than send in a heap of cops.

[Envious]

then send in some of our Highly trained armed forces (with non lethal weapons)

This is a good point as we are better trained and have better equipment for riot control than the police, but, the reason we are not sent out, even without our weapons, is because the minute the public sees us in our green jellybean jumpsuits enforcing the law they start to whine about the government taking things too far etc....

[svo347]

I too watched the episode , Lets just be thankful that most of us live better lives than what we could be.....

[Cheahman]

Was shocking watching the riots and the police where way too soft of them. I would have used rubber bullets on them or got out the high pressure hoses. But the legal system in this country is pathetic, seems like it set up to favor the criminals.

I also paint housing trust houses, so I see these types of maggots all the time. Most of them are that high they wouldnt know what planet there on. All they are is leeches and we the tax payers have to fork the bill. But the majority of the housing trust community are alright, its just people like that which give the others a bad name.

I feel for the good people that are living in that area and can't get out for whatever reason. I feel lucky I live where I am currently.....makes me glad my kids live where we are.

[Captain Stubing]

I didn't get to see the report, just finished work. But, I think after parents have been taught how to discipline their children from when they're young, after teachers are given more respect and authority in primary and secondary schools, after juvenile detention centres stop providing PS2, XBox, etc and get more room, after the the judges and magistrates learn how to sentence according to the offence... then maybe someone can teach the civil libertarians a definition of 'who' deserves liberties and rights!

Gonna be a long time before this sort of behaviour is bred out of society!

[JADED6]

Here's a few pics (collage)

[RED_EL_XR8]

didn't see the 60 minutes report.

A community that backs up and protects suck lawless wastes of oxygen deserves an armageddon like crack down from our state police, Pity the legislators and politicians ar so **** weak they wont back up the front line police that have to deal with this hourly. Why is the rest of the community short-changed?

The oposition leader in NSW made many attacks on police action, and he was on the money, what he forgot to do was aim the attacks at the political leadership and not the poor bugger general duties coppas who regularly clean up the mess and pull bodies out of cars after the Kelly gang have acted.

Remember the Red Berets in NYC? If something isn't done soon in Sydney a vigilante group will emerge to clean up the mess. This isn't what we want or what we pay State Govt for. :

[shane3]

They did an interview with a lady from the welfare department dealing with the people wanting hand outs and food stuffs, she see's up to 15 people a day wanting help as they cant make ends meet......BUT did any one notice that the couple with the baby were crying poor and have trouble feeding there kids, but the guy was wearing a emenem shirt, designer cap, and decent sunnies ?????, and the kids that they interviewed all had the typical lowlife brand gear on, FUBU, stussy, and the gangster/ rapper shit. (Not cheap) And to here them talk was absolutely horrendous...."like fully sik youse now" ...and….."thers the ones causin all this shit"
The other sad thing is that these kid's are the 2nd and 3rd generation of dole bludging dropouts with no goals in life except to survive until the next dole payment, I believe that every one has a choice on what they do with there lives and these people are looking for some one to blame for what they have got them selves into, make an effort to get a job or go back to school. STOP WAISTING OUR OXYGEN!

[HOON69]

comparing LA and one suburb in australia you cant even,LA is 1000/1 worst in rioting then anything i australias history i reckon..


as for these kids
i dont blame them as such im actually more into blaming the parents,cause these kids grew up not knowing any better,they are just doing what comes natural to them,yes its their choice if they know right from wrong etc but when you grow up around violence/drugs and illegal activities etc you dont know any other way (and unless you grew up in the suburbs of redfern macquarie fields or even mt druitt etc you wouldnt know)
yes ppl have choices but when you dont have much more then a housing commission house living with parents on the welfare system and getting goverment hand outs etc as a kid,you dont have a choice cause welfare agencies admit they cant control these kids,so they grow up in a life of crime learning to disrespect authority figures etc and hate the world all in one..


yes they stole a car,yes they knew the risks of running and yes they deserved to be punished,they are as most would say "scum" but no matter what a "death" sentence doesnt make it right,yes i 100% agree that police have a difficult job and must enforce the law,but when it comes down to it is it worth chasing kids in a stolen car at over 140 in a 50 zone just for a stolen car?
imho i doubt it is,yes the kids are to blame for using/stealing it and trying to get away with it etc but im sure the police would of got a conviction in this case (not that the police would of knew this at the time) cops chase to their death/arrest in sydney they remind me of LA COPS in a way...

i think theres other ways to capture car thieves i dont think the chase was worth the risks involved,but thats my opinion..

either way the two passengers didnt deserve to die full stop its that simple,cant blame the cops and the driver is in court getting what he deserves but as i said theres other ways then to chase at rediculous speeds just for a car(sounds harsh but thats life).

[TheSneakiness]

We actually talked about this at work. The parents are to be blamed. If they can't control their kids, they shouldn't fuggin have them in the first place.

Blame the justice system too. It is ****-poor at best. I mean, they get creature comforts in jail. Jail should be something that once experienced, never go back. A suggestion at work was to give them a mattress on the ground and a toilet. That's it. This bullsh*t of taxpayers paying for TV, VCRs, DVD's and stuff like that is NOT ON.

I saw previews of the report, and that Lebbo going "Come and play copper". I wanted to smack some fuggin sense into him. It's not the cops fault for the degenerative believing they have, it's their damn fault. They are like sheep, one does something, 100,000,000 of them follow. They should be locked up, our streets are not for their amusement.

[FTE217]

I don't now how these parents can look at themselves in the mirror,they should hang themselves in shame how they (don't) bring up there kids....unfortunately they are so ignorant they can only blame the system or whatever they can find to hide behind. They don't have a backbone and they expect handouts to satisfy their lazy outlook at life.
It doesn't matter what area you live in or what ethnic background you have.

[HOON69]

well for starters they would go to juvenile detention REBI COBHAM KEELONG
have a one boy cell a recreation room which has a pool table etc some centres even have a pool etc they are allowed on outside grounds activities like movie night etc they watch videos etc and dont have to do schooling if they dont want,they get phone calls every week at goverments expense and get weekly weekend visits from loved ones,SO IF JUVENILE DETENTION is like this,do you honestly think they'll get punished a majority actually know that jail treats em better then living out in the streets,thats why most dont give a crap and you go to bed basically at set times usually 8.30-9.30pm and up again about 6.30-7.30am


JAIL: one or two man cells, a yard full of hard core wannabe's(20-50guys mimimum in a yard) ready to bash you for a 150ml milk or looking at em sideways,you can buy NIKE shoes make phone calls buy TV's (dvd's i doubt it man) sports equipment etc you get 3 meals a day,hot lunches at lunch on weekends,buy smokes but you pay your own way in jail for any luxuries etc,though they do give you about 10 a week for smoko money at the goverments expense,you get excercise gym/tennis court etc on weekends etc one or two times a week(depending on the jail)and you get one 2 hour visit on weekends etc,so besides having bigger blokes who would kill you for anything jail is kinda a luxurie except your locked in ya sell half ya day..
jail you basically work to earn money from the goverment sounds weird that they pay you to be locked up n working LOL between 10-50 a week depending where you work..

and if your in min security you have 10 times more luxuries then anywhere else inthe jail system...

this is nsw jails etc


here in qld its 5 times more cruisy then any nsw jail and they have air con in some of em..

so why wouldnt they mind jail time if they can have all that?
btw in some jails you can buy PS1 n PS2's
:dj:

[SpoolMan]

The Police should have a big water truck like they use in Europe, big fire hose spray them down, they will soon go home ...

[Tote]

I wonder how accurate the 60 minutes report was anyway. I only watched the first five minutes or so but it seemed that they had a pretty plain agenda to make Macquarie fields look bad regardless of what the facts are.
The problem is that you have 3rd generation welfare recipients all living in free housing with no incentive to better themselves. Kids have no experience of what life is like outside their social circle and by the time they are at an age to better themselves it's too late as they have records, or drug addicitions or both.

"Getting tough" as the media would have it has about as much impact on lawlessness as the draconian speeding laws in Victoria have on the road toll.

Whilst I dont think that any of this is an excuse for the driver involved in the car chase ( who should and will be punished as anyone else would be) I think that the media has a lot to answer for in inciting the behaviour shown on television.
Put yourself in the young smartass' shoes who was shown on TV. You have a reporter giving you a chance to buck authority on national TV so that all your friends will think you are cool for getting your 15 minutes of fame, what would you do given his upbringing?

I experienced a similar thing in a western NSW town when the flavour of the month was that "the blackfellas are lawless and are destroying this nice town"
When the expected riots did not materialise for the cameras a few cartons of beer were ( allegedly) freely distribued by the media, that soon got some good footage for the cameras. The only difference between there and Macquarie Fields was the colour of the rioters.

The solution to this situation is not as simple as the media would have you believe, these things take many years to fix and my experience is that the younger generation must be given an incentive to better themselves, get a job and experience the fruits of their labours. It's pretty hard to be motivated in life if you still get the same dole money regardless if you get up at 6am or smoke bongs all day.

Regards,
Tote

[Angry Beaver]

well there are quite a few good arguments being put forward on how to fix our legal systems etc but i firmly believe in this other thing. Its a saying. People who want help and are prepared to change and make a go of changing should be helped. The people who sit there crying poor and refuse to help themselves. dont bother helping. They will only change with reschooling there thinking. i have known alot of people in houseing commission areas, and alot of those where hard working people with polite well mannered childeren and also abided by the law. Then you have the opposite. the ones who cry victim all the time and want free handouts everyday. I think its seriously up to us as the community to stand up and finally say enough is enough. its our tax money being spent on them and others like them. and i also feel that the civil libertarians should be put out of work. There is no need to give people who have commited a crime of any sorts luxories in jail. so now i have said my peace. oh and to the comment on iq testing for having children. well i guess i would fail that one and yet i consider myself to be a good parent who teaches my children right from wrong and oh guess what my mother was raised in a housing commision area and she works extremely hard for what she has and where she works.

[turboute]

Originally Posted by XRFPV8

The Police should have a big water truck like they use in Europe, big fire hose spray them down, they will soon go home ...

I know that at least I state just oredered one a couple of weeks ago, For everyone over there I hope it is NSW - teach those kids a lesson

[TheSneakiness]

Mrs Casper, thing is though, the parents of these kids have lost control of them. They want to get the help for them, but are the kids themselves wanting this help? Like my sheep theory, the answer will be no. One says no, the rest of them do.

The only other way I can see that would be of help is to move them out of that type of environment. May cost an arm and a leg, but what price do you pay for the lives of the kids?