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07-11-2006, 08:11 PM | #61 | ||
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The young needs to show off why the young need to be brave and show off why the young have too much peer pressure why.Im not trying to flame the young or the young at heart ,but think of the destruction that this causes.Straight piece of road someone died its all a waste.Educate only goes soo far.watching vids only goes so far.Raising the age to 21yrs of age dont think so limiting passengers??? curfews???fixes one leads to death somewhere else
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07-11-2006, 08:13 PM | #62 | |||
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Speed limit was 60km/h, residential key road, side impact into pole. AND the other crash in the same time period was a 61 year old as already stated in thread earlier. The NSW Emma ALP government has a Minister picked up by HWP for speeding - 140km/h in a 100km/h zone, one for 124km/h on the F3's 110km/h zone, and two other offences. The best the NSW Libs leader, sadly, could come up with is; 'when is the Permier going to say enough is enough - remove the Minister, RATHER than suggest that perhaps the speed limits are too effing slow. At this rate ALP-NSW will stay in power and deservedly so *in this topic*.
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07-11-2006, 10:35 PM | #65 | |||
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GCFordChic - In reply to your comment about seat belts, i think you may want to take another look at the roads. I believe you'll find that ALOT of the men that fit in that age catergory do NOT wear seat belts. I know this wasn't the whole point you were raising. But on the seat belt issue you'll find that alot more young people wear selt belts than older people. |
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07-11-2006, 10:58 PM | #66 | ||
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Will you bloody P platers just realise that anyone can drive fast, spin their wheels and drag cars at the lights but it takes a true driver to control your car under given conditions. god Im getting so frustrated that every time i see a car wrapped around a power pole that it has a P plate on the windscreen.
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07-11-2006, 11:25 PM | #67 | ||
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you dont have to be going over 100kmh to split any commodore in half, my mates and i jokingly refer to commodores as 3 piece cars due to the fact lots split into 2 and the engine gets torn out,thus 3 major parts at scene of smash.
horrible but true. as for posts about it being mostly commodores ,ive seen lots of Fords wrapped around tree's and posts also WRX's and Hyundi's and skylines,
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08-11-2006, 03:03 AM | #68 | ||
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I think all young kids going for drivers license should be given the following!
1.(go back to the old) learners permit know the road rules exam. (applicant to pay costs) 2.have a min of 5 drivers lessons. (applicant to pay costs) 3.pass a driven test to show they can at least operate a vehicle drive with confidence. (applicant to pay costs) 4.complete and pass a driver training course including skid pan training etc. (applicant to pay costs) 5. attend a reality check course in what can happen if you drive like an idiot- including images of shattered lives and how it affects relatives and friends. 5. pass final drivers license test and given Ps for 12 months (applicant to pay costs) - no demerit points allowed in first 12 months any breaking of the road rules in period drivers license cancelled and must repeat all steps of license process. my two cents worth
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08-11-2006, 04:46 AM | #69 | ||
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Many times I have seen a P plater driving by the rules and the speed limit only to see an older male or female zip past us.
I also see many, many elderly drivers on the road that definitely need education on todays road rules and honestly, those drivers shouldn’t be driving at all. The fact is that the age group that are on P plates, are over represented in the road death toll. That age group has the most deaths on the road. So we aren’t picking on the P platers. Regardless of age, any driver I see behaving like a total d*ck on the road will get a nice little wave from me as I drive past him/her cuddling the next stobie pole/tree. One thing for sure, I wont be stopping to see if he/she is ok. They are responsible for themselves. The poles and trees aren’t responsible, the car isn’t responsible. Just the idiot behind the wheel. I recently seen this interview with a bike rider who was caught doing 200kmh. He was asked if he was concerned he could injure or kill himself or other people on the road. His simple answer was “No”. As far as he was concerned, he was a good rider and had full control of what he was doing. Plus he wasn’t afraid of dying. Maybe he was a good rider, but he cant control what others on the road will do. That attitude is ok in a controlled environment but the metro roads are hardly a controlled environment. Education will have some good results, but only on those of us who are mature enough to learn from the education. And with those who have lost mates already. I must admit, when I was 17, many of my mates including me, drove with alcohol in our system and most likely were over the limit. But I never personally knew 1 person who even had a minor accident let alone died. So what does that mean? Its not just because there are more cars on the road these days, because many of these road crashes occur with no other cars around. What I hate hearing, is the family of the crash victims say ‘ I only hope others can learn from this so that my boy didn’t die in vain” Just great, because if your boy had learnt from all the previous deaths, he would be alive now and my boy wouldn’t have died in vain! cheers
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08-11-2006, 05:55 AM | #70 | |||
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On another side (which I think is TOO late) is discipline , modern "rules" don't allow for "parenting" anymore . The rights of younger people are much more important ! ! . They are taught in school now that "Their rights are ....." and it has nothing to do with parents advice , completely the opposite in fact . When we were young (yep, I know I'll get flamed) if you did something wrong , you got a clip across the ear ( I don't think we were any worse off for it ) or grounded for weeks , if the cop caught you down the street after 10 pm , he'd give you a "boot up the bum" & send you home . He can't do that anymore , you can call him names or whatever & he can't do much about it . (no respect) I tell my son (14) " If you go to do anything , think about it , is it right or wrong" , if it's wrong , Don't Do It . I think modern society ( read as Do-Gooders) have a lot to answer for .
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08-11-2006, 08:45 AM | #71 | ||||
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One of the hardest things when young driving is mates in the car, They bounce all over the place gun it gun it ****en! In your ear going off, Best thing too do but it's hard is too yell shut the **** up who pays for the speeding fine? Me my car don't like it walk!
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08-11-2006, 09:27 AM | #72 | ||
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i think discussion of the whole p-plate saga, in relation to this particular accident, is completely pointless.
They stole the car. no-one in the car had any appropriate licence. they might as well of been 10 years old. Its like them stealing a boat from a marina then crashing it, and we all getting on here talking about whether boat licencing is too lenient. my 2.3 cents
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08-11-2006, 10:21 AM | #73 | |||
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When I first got my Ps (18) I took alot of risks and now that I'm 20, I look back and regret doing some of the things I done. I get the urge sometimes, but I stop and think of the consequences and don't do it. I've got a couple of mates, who have/had lost their licences, for extented periods of time, due to reckless behaviour. One of them lost his licence for 4 years, for drink driving and he was on his red Ps and the other lost it for 3 months for speeding, who is also on his red Ps. I don't want to end up like that, as I value my licence too much and enjoy having it. |
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08-11-2006, 10:38 AM | #74 | |||
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Sure they may not be able to do as much as they used to, but i think your underexaggeration the point quite alot there. Pat |
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08-11-2006, 10:41 AM | #75 | ||
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It's always been the commies dag nabbit ! Yea, back in the 30's and 40's the damn commies ruined it for the rest of us and their at it again, all them little red books and brown uniforms, no, wait, wrong commies... nothing to see here, move along...
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08-11-2006, 11:02 AM | #76 | |||
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Now, I'm picking on P's and I really dislike grouping like that. The simple fact is that I need to because it's mostly P platers I see doing those things. |
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08-11-2006, 11:17 AM | #77 | ||
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Solution - Make em all learn to drive in Bongo vans... Then they can progress to toyota crown's, from there it's straight to a datto 1600 and lastly in to a ford xa wagon..
And if that dosen't learn 'em then maybe a more stringent driving course that includes actual hands on training, not some lame 100 hours sitting beside a career driving instuctor doing laps of bankstown mall. A car is an indescriminate lethal weapon, any wally can buy one without even having a license, the mind boggles... |
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08-11-2006, 11:26 AM | #78 | |||
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08-11-2006, 11:27 AM | #79 | ||
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well i hate to break it to you but there are just as many ppl wrapping there cars on the road apart from p platers. ppl from ages 20+...i read alot of reports of 42yr old males rolling there utes in Rural area.....so dont just go and blame the P platers.....btw the most occurunt cause is loss of control.....
and dont give me this crap that it takes a true driver to control a car under certain conditions cause any1 who follows the speed limit and stays in there lane can then be classes as a True driver......
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08-11-2006, 11:36 AM | #80 | ||||
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Comparing wisom and judgement decisions (if at 45 you dont wear a seatbelt, i have no sympathy, if at 45 you dont know that seatbelts save lives, crawl out from under your rock...) to inexperienced, immature and poorly educated decisons (young drivers not knowing how to retain control of a vehicle out of control and being a immature prat in doing risky things while in control of a car arrying your friends). Immaturity also has alot to do with it, that will only be fixed by life experience. Some people will die in gaining that experience, others will scrape through and not continue to act like idiots on the road. Education will only help somewhat, but i think it will help more than 'initiatives' like the multitude of restrictions will. It isnt as if the minute they become open licence holders someone will know how to regain control of a fishtailing vehicle, how to ignore rowdy passengers and focus on the road, how to drive a higher powered vehicle etc. What is the point of restrictions unless you teach someone the things they are restricted from doing before the restriction is lifted? EG at school in a workshop, you dont restrict a student from using power tools in grade 8,9,10 then let them have unlimited access to them in year 11 and 12 without having provided them with training and safety instructions throughout the restricted period. That would be stupid and dangerous.
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08-11-2006, 11:42 AM | #81 | ||
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hang on, I thought this thread is about young drivers? not 42 yr olds. oh and by the way you dont have to be young to be a P plater! - My granny just got her licence at 72!
OK, and some more "crap" for ya - come round to my joint when its raining, even when its not. All the "good" drivers slides and spins round the corner only to then hear a BANG! then a knock on my door asking for assistance coz his/hers cars wheel has snapped off from a kerb. And im with you photn - they are all ages - the majority of them are P's. Ive just had a gut full. |
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08-11-2006, 12:25 PM | #82 | |||
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ware abouts do you live? btw i was using 42yr olds as a comparison.....
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08-11-2006, 12:49 PM | #83 | ||
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I live in a residential area in Perth's metro area. Its a 50km/h zone and the corner is long and sweeping with good visabilty. (With a school crossing down the road) The big trees have been taken down and the tarmac is new. Signs are present and barriers have been placed, not quite sure what more they could do.
All you have to do is cruise round the corner in third gear, both hands on the steering wheel and you'll make it through. Not like these Gazzards who thrash through the corner at a guessing speed of 80-100km/h, one hand on the wheel with the back end taking over from the front. Its because of this that makes me so passionate about this topic. Ive stood out the front waving a sign that says "Last Lap" This has had an impact as I got praise from parents who live on my street. But yes, you are right I will have to do more complaining to my local government. |
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08-11-2006, 12:50 PM | #84 | ||
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since on the subject of crashes. ive got an xd and its got no power to do stupid **** like burnouts or go sideways or speed so i dont bother. speaking of crashes its not my place to say another persons story but most of u shuld no or heard bout the yellow vl turbo (HWY-BT1) whilst leaving noble park mcdonalds he did a slight burnout and not seeing the cops turn in he sped off onto princess hwy going towards dandy. my mates and i all decided to follow as we hit the intersection of princess hwy and heatherton rd we saw him wrapped around 2 poles and smashed into another car. the guys in the car happened to do a runner and leave the car there. we all stood around to see what was goin on. there were bits all over the rd. im not saying i dont like holdens bc i plan on getting 1 but most of the time when u see an accident of people not just p platers that had done stupid **** it is usually a commodore driver. i just cant understand.
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08-11-2006, 01:00 PM | #85 | |||
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funny thing is, many times i have gotten into a car knowing that the driver is a dikchead driver, and just from this thread i have promised myself not to get into those cars unless im the driver. poor passengers dont have a chance to save there own lives. I used to egg the driver on...after many lucky crashes i have stopped
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08-11-2006, 01:09 PM | #86 | ||
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The reason P platers get the grief is sensationalisum, media hype, all age groups kill themselves and others doing stupid things in cars although propotionaly there are more young drivers dying (and killing their passengers) in sensational accidents.
Darwin was wrong, if today's young drivers are just as bad or worse than yesterdays young drivers were devolving not evolving... Hmm, is it regressing or devolving? And why is it just the P platers that want to drag race me at the lights when I'm on my Speed Tripple? Do they not understand the laws of phyisics? .90 - 1 power to weight ratio means I win so I don't even bother... |
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08-11-2006, 01:26 PM | #87 | |||
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The Commodore community is huge and the idiots are exposed more then just about any car group, on our roads. Basically the stereotype fuels this and alot of people notice it's a Commodore, because Commodores do generally have the reputation of a hoon car. (Would anyone make a comment about the type of car involved in the accident, if it was a Kia or Daewoo? Probably not, because there's no immediate stereotype) Like I said before though, it doesn't really matter, because everyone will be brought down, not just Commodore drivers. God I wish I was on my opens. **sigh** Last edited by Ryan; 08-11-2006 at 01:44 PM. |
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We have a few new 'P' Platers in town now & they all have the attitude that its there right to have this licence....... It gives them the right to terrorise the local silos and streets just because they have a car & a licence ...... They are all that cocky that when its suggested that they may slow down a little & not do the hoon thing on the roads the standard response it to be told to get lost, they can do as they please because no one can stop them ..... It horrifies me to think that they may well God Forbid be the next news story that we read about .......... It also horrifys me that one of our boys is mates with the drivers & is often in the cars with them ........... All we can do as parents & a community is to try to educate them and hope like hell they listen to the warnings. It has got to the stage that we are organising a video night to show evidence of what can happen should things go bad .............. |
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08-11-2006, 02:13 PM | #89 | ||
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i love the news reports
60year old died in a car accident investigations are still pending in other news car with x amount of ppl inside crashed and its believe the driver is a P plater : the crash is bad enough yes but FFS the L,P plater isssues are getting beyond a joke i reckon its funny how they say nothing about a old dude yet highlight the facts of the younger driver . |
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