It's a Pity Some Members On here Don't Pay Up

[BZINGA]

Originally Posted by XRGirl

I can't understand why so many say that just because its FF.au, theres automatic trust. It's a message board ffs, theres thousands of idiots on the net who can freely join and should be automatically trusted? I don't think so...

If the member is well known or has kind of a creditable name for themselves on a board, then yes there should be trust there. But I wouldn't send anything out before I got payment first, I don't care who the person is, as this thread has proven what can happen. It is disapointing and a pity...

* YOU GO GIRL *

Okay, I appreciate all the comments but this is not a thread where I name names and people get blasted by those who aren't involved. there's two sides to every story and in one case certainly there was a period of misunderstanding but when someone says they'll send the money you kinda expect it soon afterwards.

The people in my list include some members who go back to the early days of our old US based site.

Remember that in most cases people think their side of the story is right and they will stick to that with conviction. My thread simply states the facts that these people received goods and regardless of how things worked out they always had the opportunity to get back to me with grievances and I have always offered a money back deal. Unfortunately in one case a refund isn't possible but they got what they paid for so money time is here. When you send numerous SMSs and PMs to these people and they ignore you it's obvious where you stand.

Unfortunately the overall amount owing to me is well over $600 and quite frankly I'm having to drive a truck MEL-SYD-MEL twice to get somewhere close to that amount in income after taxes. So, it's not an insignificant amount.

[AGRO]

Come pick me up Pete....We can go pay them a vist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AGRO.

[Danny]

Theft and Ignorance of your attempts to follow up on them DOES NOT and will not EVER EVER sit lightly with me. I'd be fuming, absolutely fuming. Bugger the thread, i'd be paying some heavy to meet them at their door.

I have to figure some of the guilty types on here have seen this thread. If you have a reason for not putting up the cash why not send me a PM and discuss it? Or feel free to post YOUR story.

Like I said, three people here are not worthy of trust but I'm willing to work it out. To do that though it has to be a two way conversation...

Come to think of it, I'll probably take up the forum moderator's offer because right now I'm skint as hell having just had to pay a fortune in medical bills and waiting for other people who owe me a hell of a lot of money.....

[RSgerry]

good luck AP. it sucks that people are prepared to screw others over. however, it doesnt really surprise me...i have been around too long, work in teh finance industry and am a cynic. most people are decent, and, just because people come on here and are ford fans (probably as long as it is a falcon...) then that doesnt necessarily make them a decent or honest person. i hope they get VD. from their wife.

[Axle-F]

names! names! names! out:

[JG3282]

I've been in both sides of the coin.

I sold a couple of cylinder heads early this year, one to Sydney, the other to Nth QLD. When the money changed hands I was under the impression that any transport company would take them. Wrong! Try sending an item via interstate transport/courier to a residential adress, its not going to happen. Anyway I finally managed to send the Sydney head up to the drags with a racer and it was picked up from the track. And as the QLd was alloy and Australia Post took care of it. Unfortunately both sales took a couple of months to complete.

On the other hand I've sold a rocker cover that was returned to sender twice yet the buyer still kept insisting it was the right address. I've had people take ages to pick up stuff from ebay and on the same hand I've taken a while to either pick up or pay for stuff as well, but always kept in touch. I had a seller disappear from ebay without sending the goods to 20 odd buyers [dodgy tacho's] I was lucky in this instance that I received email notification from other buyers in time before I paid.

I usually prefer people to come to my garage and pick up stuff and pay there on the spot because it can be a pain in the butt if you are short on time to send stuff or they are having trouble transferring cash or sending a money order. I even had a guy come to my joint a few times and approach me 3 times at swap meets about a gear box but its still sitting there under my house.

I also get a lot of people emailing me about buying pics from the drags. I often send them tiny little postage stamp sized pics and never hear from them again but then see those pics turn up as avatars on forums or turn up in web galleries.

[Psycho Chicken]

God don't get me started on frieght companies. I'm being dicked around by one right now, about to have to use another one to get some heads down from Sydney.

[Dez]

i say name them. they have no right to be protected...any amount of $ is too much to be out of pocket when you were honest,trusting and provided a service! and we're talking about over $600 here.

name them

ive dealt with some people here and on the old FF, and if im the seller, i insist on payment first. I give as many details as I can, and although its only my word, i never have any intention of not sending the item as soon as i get the money.

Hope this gets sorted Pete

[GTP 320]

The only way out is to name them ,that way they will be embarssed and other FordForums members will know not to deal with them in the future.
Cheers John

[needfordspeed]

Yeah I think you should name them too, you will be doing a good thing. Plus hasn't it been a week?

OR

PM them with a link to this thread and give them ONE chance to explain themselves.

BUT

Option one is better

[svo347]

Agreed bite the bullet, at the end of the day you have sent the goods on a trust basis, but basically got shot in the foot.
$600 nowdays isnt something to be taken lightly.
I for one would like to know to whom i can/cant be traded with.

[LTDHO]

Although it is a public forum we have to have some trust and it's up to the members who are conducting the sale to decide that.

I've sold and bought plenty here, it's a great resource.

In one case the buyer (he will remain nameless) took months to pay off. I trusted him and he came through, also bough more off me on credit.

[DOC]

In My early days of of business, i was taken for 30K and there was no way of getting it back, i was young and green but learnt from my mistake it was simple no money no goods.

Moving on from that last year in a startup company not mine we lost over 100K in bad debts in 6 months, this was in the main our fault, as our back end was not ready to cope with the larger than expected sales ( around 150+ K a week ), we did as most businesses probably do and built in a small factor for bad debts, but blew it out of the water.

We are still chasing these people for thier money but probably will write most of it off. these people really just dont care and they know it will cost us more to try and get the money than what itis worth.

there are plenty of people out there ready to scam the system and do not give a toss.

Aussie Pete, i see your being nice and would just like to be paid for your service and or product but from experiance your wasting your time being nice, these type of people do not respond to nice, they just laugh behind your back.

you need to play hard ball if you want your money, moving forward remember MONEY HAS NO FRIENDS and go for COD or payment up front.

Our new business being set up is COD or no product quite simple really.

my 2 cents worth anyway.
DOC

[Dez]

i just cant believe they are game enough when he more than likely has their address!

what business are you in DOC, if you dont mind me asking

[DOC]

Dez
what business are you in DOC, if you dont mind me asking

Dez, was involved in national product distribution on large scale, now moving into a left field of this covering many lines and is about 4 weeks away.( but i can say it looks good)

but i would rather not go into it here as i find the forum a great refreshing escape from my boring daily chores and would like to keep them seperated, i can log on here and be in another world that i love ( fast cars and people in general who love thier rides ), and i had my way i wouldnt work at all it would be just cars ( and family n friends ), funnily enough i have mentioned to the trouble n strif that i need a new direction and i want it to involve cars ( yes fast ones ) so my magic eye see's a new venture down the road a bits.

Cheers Dez

[Danny]

Ohhh come on name them, If they get flamed, its their own fault FFS.

Are you not naming them aussie becasue their well known on the forums or what?

[brenx]

Something fishy happening. hmmm. Maybe the purchaser payed up?

On a side not I had another good transaction with a FF member just last week. The user should have the item today.

Put there names up i hate people that do this sort of thing I had some big dollar parts STOLEN from my house a few weeks back and have keep my eyes and ears open and found some in the local paper and some on ebay so watch out for brand new ford pars for a ef six turbo. out: these people think there smart but i have let the boys in blue do there job.THEN IM GOING TO DO MY JOB ON THEM.Give me a buz if u want me to come and give u a hand.

[Danny]

I find it funny to see that this thread has lasted PRIMARILY becasue people are bumping it to see whose names will be released, and I dont think its gonna happen.

NAMES NAMES!!!! hahahahah

[The MaDDeSTMaN]

Originally Posted by Danny

I find it funny to see that this thread has lasted PRIMARILY becasue people are bumping it to see whose names will be released, and I dont think its gonna happen.

NAMES NAMES!!!! hahahahah

I think you're right there. I think an educated guess could be made by anybody who really wants to, based on what information has already been made available and who has and hasn't participated in this thread, but that's all it would be - a guess.

But I agree, I doubt we are going to find out who these untrustworthy people are, so I guess others have to discover who they are the hard way... :(

[Dez]

Originally Posted by The MaDDeSTMaN

I think you're right there. I think an educated guess could be made by anybody who really wants to, based on what information has already been made available and who has and hasn't participated in this thread, but that's all it would be - a guess.

But I agree, I doubt we are going to find out who these untrustworthy people are, so I guess others have to discover who they are the hard way... :(

any guess would be a massive long shot...with something like 4000+ members on here now ?

[The MaDDeSTMaN]

Originally Posted by Dez

any guess would be a massive long shot...with something like 4000+ members on here now ?

Agreed, it would be a long shot, however...

Originally Posted by Aussie Pete

The people in my list include some members who go back to the early days of our old US based site.

Which would make at least those members easier to discover.

Also, we may have several thousand members here now, but how many have come here once and never returned, or nobody has ever seen or heard of? I think it would be a reasonable assumption to rule those members out too. Although I could be wrong, I doubt Aussie Pete would be so trusting of a member that has a post count of 0 and had just signed up that day.

Yes, we have many members here now, however I think if anyone really wanted to make an educated guess, it could be worked out to less then 50 likely suspects, and I'd say probably less then that, 20 suspects would not be an unreasonable guess.

[Dez]

yea true. i forgot that he said they came from the old ff

chances are they are fairly well known amongst us...

i still think that they should be named, as its not fair to any other members....i don't know why they deserve to have their identity protected

[Bucknaked]

Originally Posted by Bluedriver

Absolutely disgusting ! More to the point dishonesty should not be tolerated in our world here in FF.au
I say name them so they are out in the open, they have been sheltered till now which is similar to our pathetic court systems etc...ppl should pay there dues.
Sorry if it's harsh but thats my opinion.

Yeah I'm still waiting for a refund on those wheels you sold me. The rubber is getting low and we never agreed that would happen when I bought them 12 months ago. I assumed they would always have sufficient tread on them :hihi:

[The MaDDeSTMaN]

Originally Posted by Dez

yea true. i forgot that he said they came from the old ff

chances are they are fairly well known amongst us...

i still think that they should be named, as its not fair to any other members....i don't know why they deserve to have their identity protected

I agree, however it is up to Aussie Pete, and he is right when he says

Originally Posted by Aussie Pete

this is not a thread where I name names and people get blasted by those who aren't involved. there's two sides to every story

Regarding what I said above about people who have low post counts or have come here once, signed up and never returned, have a look at this: http://www.fordforums.com.au/memberl...astpostbefore=
- particularly the number of members where Join Date and Last Visit are the same date. You can also sort the list by any column title which is a link, simply click on the title (Username, Join Date, Posts, Last Visit), and then you can reverse the sort order by clicking on the button that appears next to the title once you click on it.

[Dez]

yeah there is heaps of people that sign up to look at something and never come back....hell, i signed up to the old FF to see pics of MR 0250 that my mate gave me a link to...

Well, thankfully as of this date resolution has been made. The outstanding person is known as XLR8 and I'm only naming him because he won't return calls, he won't return PMs and he won't return any form of message. He owes me a coupla hundred and then some for some number plates he has on his car so I guess he has no further intention of paying.

So, Rob is therefore named and known - XLR8 and running NSW plates GT-xx90 on his red BA GT (not giving the full plate for privacy reasons).

Lesson learnt....

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XLR8 : Last Activity: 28-05-05 03:55 PM.

Guess we won't be hearing from him. Bad luck AP.. shame it had to come to this.