Baby bolts a roadworthy requirement?

ILLaViTaR · 17-03-2008, 05:21 PM

My mate just got his car put in for a RWC and they said that they needed to fit baby bolts because his had been removed. (They're the things on the parcel shelf with the orange tab).

Is this actual a roadworthy requirement here in Victoria?

It just seems a bit stupid to us.

NudgE^SIKBRO · 17-03-2008, 05:28 PM

No, it isnt unless its a late model car that came factory with them but even then im pretty sure it only has to have provision for them, other wise i know things like my XE and XF Dont have them, they have the provision for them

[Tonko] · 17-03-2008, 07:56 PM

Yes, if they came from factory, you have to keep them.
It dosent take much to change the parcel shelf...

Daniel351 · 17-03-2008, 07:59 PM

at work as long as its got the bolt hole still visable or if its something newer and its just got like a clip welded on, it passes, i did a roady check on a VH commodore today and it just had 2 hole in the middle of the parcel tray with thread were it was spose to be and they passed it,

Daniel351

Tote · 17-03-2008, 09:33 PM

BA's come with one hole fitted with a restraint clip and the other two filed with plastic plugs. I would be surprised if you were not required to have one bolt and clip fitted for rego.
Regards,
Tote

ILLaViTaR · 17-03-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by [Tonko]

Yes, if they came from factory, you have to keep them.
It dosent take much to change the parcel shelf...

It's going to take a bit of welding according to the mechanic.

He has 2 subs sitting in there so it has to be modded for the baby bolts.

Kryton · 17-03-2008, 10:24 PM

i dont get the whole thread.
you/your mate were told to put these bolts back in to pass a RWC, just do as your told and be done with it.
who knows better, you or a LICENSED TESTER that is going to pass the car if you put one measly bolt back in.
seriously, some of the threads you make.

JC · 17-03-2008, 10:26 PM

No, it is not a rego requirement. If you're still not sure, check Vicroads.

Kryton · 17-03-2008, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

It's going to take a bit of welding according to the mechanic.

He has 2 subs sitting in there so it has to be modded for the baby bolts.

yep, you go ahead and mod that parcel shelf.
see what the Engineers is going to cost you.
no doubt, if he has 2 subs in the parcel shelf already, he's up for an Engineers as it is.

this is yet another reason why you think about the LEGAL REQUIREMENT before you think about how cool youll be to your mates.
(not YOU, but your mate)

ILLaViTaR · 17-03-2008, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by davway

i dont get the whole thread.
you/your mate were told to put these bolts back in to pass a RWC, just do as your told and be done with it.
who knows better, you or a LICENSED TESTER that is going to pass the car if you put one measly bolt back in.
seriously, some of the threads you make.

Licensed tester means nothing, these people will find anyway to get more money out of you.

If you read the thread more accurately you'd see that there are subs in the rear parcel shelf and apparently according to the mechanic (Repco) he needs to make some welding modifications that is going to cost more than just a couple of bolts.

If it was a matter of putting a few bolts in, this thread wouldn't be made, also if vicroads customer service was competent and able to answer this question this thread wouldn't exist. I do my homework before making threads to avoid getting constantly trolled.

I know this forum has many members who do this work for a living so I thought it would be acceptable to ask this.

ILLaViTaR · 17-03-2008, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by davway

yep, you go ahead and mod that parcel shelf.
see what the Engineers is going to cost you.
no doubt, if he has 2 subs in the parcel shelf already, he's up for an Engineers as it is.

this is yet another reason why you think about the LEGAL REQUIREMENT before you think about how cool youll be to your mates.
(not YOU, but your mate)

Yeah he's an anti ford Holden lover.

He used to have a VL that was a bomb and I was hoping he'd learn his lesson from that car but instead he downgraded to the terrible 3.8 (however it's the best 3.8 I've ever seen). All because he hates the exterior look of E series which imo is stupid.

****es me off that he's so one eyed but he's my mate and I'm still going to help him get this car on the road.

Most the work has been done it's just these things.

Oh another biggie, the rear main seal is gone which will probably cost a grand or so.

Kryton · 18-03-2008, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

Licensed tester means nothing, these people will find anyway to get more money out of you.

a licensed tester means they know more than you do.
they know the LAW - you do not.

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Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

If you read the thread more accurately you'd see that there are subs in the rear parcel shelf and apparently according to the mechanic (Repco) he needs to make some welding modifications that is going to cost more than just a couple of bolts.

if you read what I wrote, you would understand this car is NEVER going to get a legit RWC without an Engineers.
to be told you need to make some welding mods, means you need to weld in some BRACES for the giant holes that have been cut into the parcel shelf for the subs.
if you didnt know, the parcel shelf is a MAJOR STRUCTURAL part of the body.
ANY cutting of this section will weaken the WHOLE structure.
some simple welding wont cut it, it needs to be checked and assessed by an ENGINEER to make sure the car is SAFE in the event of a crash.
forget insurance too when its time to pay out.

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Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

If it was a matter of putting a few bolts in, this thread wouldn't be made, also if vicroads customer service was competent and able to answer this question this thread wouldn't exist. I do my homework before making threads to avoid getting constantly trolled.

do your home work a little better next time.
at least have some idea about what your talking about.
Vicroads probably have answered the question, you just didnt like the answer.

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Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

I know this forum has many members who do this work for a living so I thought it would be acceptable to ask this.

no, i have no idea, i only studied Engineering for 2 years.
why dont you actually ring an Engineer and let them tell you exactly what i have just told you.

Kryton · 18-03-2008, 12:25 AM

not to mention that the hole for the bolt has probably been chopped out as well to make room for the subs.
personally, this little hole is the least of his worries.

FGII-XR6 · 18-03-2008, 12:44 AM

the issue is not the bolt it is removal of the section of the parcel shelf where the threaded section for the bolt was located. the car was engineered with this inplace and it is considered the same as the removal of a seatbelt. you may say I have no kids so it shouldn't apply to me but consider the next owner of the car who tries to fit a child restraint to the factory location . they discover they are unable to transport their newborn because your doof doof was more important . the car in question is unroadworthy and to correct the butchered parcel shelf to a safe legal state will be expensive build a bridge

Keepleft · 18-03-2008, 02:36 PM

I put this small Pdf link up elsewhere in forum - Feb 08, new child restraint law/requirements etc - worth a look and relates generally to the topic:-

http://www.fordforums.com.au/attachm...chmentid=41043

SpoolMan · 18-03-2008, 03:18 PM

Last year my work mate purchased a Nissan Navara twin cab Ute, he wanted 2 bolts put in for the baby seats cost $800 had to be engineered, yes $400 a bolt..
This is needed for the car to be legal to carry those baby seats..

FGII-XR6 · 18-03-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SpoolMan

Last year my work mate purchased a Nissan Navara twin cab Ute, he wanted 2 bolts put in for the baby seats cost $800 had to be engineered, yes $400 a bolt..
This is needed for the car to be legal to carry those baby seats..

and that was on a standard vehicle factor in the butchered parcel shelf and the associated loss of structural integrity and the cost will shoot up

Kil4Collingwood · 18-03-2008, 05:08 PM

A freind of mine has an ED falcon the cops pulled him over one day and were determined to give him a canary after finding nothing obviously wrong they started looking real close and found he had actually cut the holes in his parcel shelf just to fit some 6x9's and canaried him for it.
He had to have a whole new parcel shelf welded in cost a fortune it was just a stupid mistake to make but the number of cars I see with this done staggers me.

Neeek · 18-03-2008, 05:19 PM

RWC rules can be a pain in the buttocks, but they are there for a reason - if the car comes with a safety feature factory fitted that doesn't work or isn't there, you have the right to have your car fail the RWC test, however insignificant that may be to you, me or the guy testing it.

We had a Saab with lots of electric toys, including headlamp windscreen wipers. One of them was non functional, and it failed a RWC test. Why? Because it's a factory fitted safety item and therefore it should work. I argued my case with the guy conducting said RWC, using the obvious "well, not all cars have these are they manage to get around fine in the dark when it's raining... can't you overlook this one?" and of course we agreed that it's a stupid failing point but he still couldn't pass it because if he did, he'd risk copping a hefty fine.

We traded the car in shortly afterwards because you don't want to know what it would've cost to fix... Live and learn.

[Tonko] · 19-03-2008, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

It's going to take a bit of welding according to the mechanic.
He has 2 subs sitting in there so it has to be modded for the baby bolts.

Well, he's a clown for putting subs in the parcel shelf then... Who needs SQ?
As has been said, It's a structral part of the car, and it will cost him a fortune now... Simple.

ILLaViTaR · 19-03-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by [Tonko]

Well, he's a clown for putting subs in the parcel shelf then... Who needs SQ?
As has been said, It's a structral part of the car, and it will cost him a fortune now... Simple.

He bought it like that.

Repco wanted $750 for a rear main seal so he got his car out of there (The mechanic was a as well). Rang up another mechanic and he's doing the seal for $300, the shelf however is unknown at this point

**Falcon Coupe** · 19-03-2008, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SpoolMan

Last year my work mate purchased a Nissan Navara twin cab Ute, he wanted 2 bolts put in for the baby seats cost $800 had to be engineered, yes $400 a bolt..
This is needed for the car to be legal to carry those baby seats..

That's strange, my Navara has 3 factory baby capsule mounting points.

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Matty4 · 20-03-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

He bought it like that.

How long ago did he buy it?
He would have got a RWC with it when he purchased it to allow him to transfer it into his name. The place that issued the dodgy RWC may have some questions to answer and possibly have to foot the bill to make it comply as well.

Kryton · 20-03-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Matty4

How long ago did he buy it?
He would have got a RWC with it when he purchased it to allow him to transfer it into his name. The place that issued the dodgy RWC may have some questions to answer and possibly have to foot the bill to make it comply as well.

you dont have to have a RWC on a car to sell it.

Matty4 · 20-03-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by davway

you dont have to have a RWC on a car to sell it.

Correct, but you have to have one when you transfer the car into your name. If the RWC inspector he used has issued one incorrectly, he/she is liable to rectify the faults missed to make it roadworthy, unless the new owner has gotten a dodgy RWC himself.

DivHunter · 20-03-2008, 11:38 AM

Some imported cars have these fitted for compliance..... in the speaker grills.

ADSXR8 · 20-03-2008, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

That's strange, my Navara has 3 factory baby capsule mounting points.

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We just returned from a week in Palm Cove, where I had booked a Nissan Patrol from AVIS (Cairns Airport) and can you believe the Patrols have only two anchor points! The rear seat is a 50/50 and could only accomodate 2 child restraints, we needed three, so they changed me into a Pajero VRX turbo diesel.

Kryton · 20-03-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Matty4

Correct, but you have to have one when you transfer the car into your name. If the RWC inspector he used has issued one incorrectly, he/she is liable to rectify the faults missed to make it roadworthy, unless the new owner has gotten a dodgy RWC himself.

who said the car was sold with any rego or a RWC?
the guy that has the car now is trying to get a RWC on it so obviously it didnt come with a RWC. no one else is to blame bar the person that cut the holes.

FGII-XR6 · 20-03-2008, 12:13 PM

In NSW you don't have to have a pink slip (road worthy)to transfer. the regs say you do but the RTA don't enforce it and private cars change hands all the tyime with no pink slip. but we have one every year to register the car

ratter · 20-03-2008, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Matty4

If the RWC inspector he used has issued one incorrectly, he/she is liable to rectify the faults missed to make it roadworthy, .

NO they are not, but they can face a "please explain" to vic roads and possible fine or license problem., which is why some testers may wear things if overlooked at RWC.

Unless it was done recently, vic roads would not be interested in going after a previous tester as the holes could have been cut at any time after testing