Why pay pal

[Pistol]

Hi guys and girls Ive advertised my gtp for sale in car sales and i recived an email today from some guy claiming he would like to buy the car but pay through pay pal could this be a scam or what? his name is Matt Jean anyone heard of him he also states he is in negotiation with 2 other cars but prefers mine thanks .

[|||]

it could be a scam maybe ask him for a phone number or meet him down the pub for a beer and a chat to make sure he's legit first

[mrbaxr6t]

there was a thread on this!! its a scam dont do it!!

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...ghlight=paypal

[Melz]

I had a scam similiar, then they say their 'agent' is coming to look at the car... blah blah blah... scam written all over it

[Lost Down Under]

Leave it be.
If he can't turn up with a bank cheque in his hand then somethings wrong.
If he was really serious he would just eft the funds.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Lost Down Under

Leave it be.
If he can't turn up with a bank cheque in his hand then somethings wrong.
If he was really serious he would just eft the funds.

On the other hand, bank cheques can bounce, paypal is usually direct debit.....

[Stattic]

Originally Posted by flappist

On the other hand, bank cheques can bounce, paypal is usually direct debit.....

lol so naive! no offence meant =)
you should really read the other thread that was posted, paypal can be charged back and if your account is in good standing you get benefit of the doubt (also buyers seem to be more highly protected), your bank can charge back paypal leaving the other person high and dry, the paypal account could be stolen in which case the money would be given back to the buyer and youd have to pay the paypal fees

and im sure there are many more ways of scamming. dont accept a middle man like paypal, if they cant do a bank deposit then dont give them the item
besides who spends 10s of thousands of dollars on paypal anyway? theres no way id trust paypal with that kind of money if i didnt know the seller/used the seller previously even if id never been scammed before

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Stattic

lol so naive! no offence meant =)
you should really read the other thread that was posted, paypal can be charged back and if your account is in good standing you get benefit of the doubt (also buyers seem to be more highly protected), your bank can charge back paypal leaving the other person high and dry, the paypal account could be stolen in which case the money would be given back to the buyer and youd have to pay the paypal fees

and im sure there are many more ways of scamming. dont accept a middle man like paypal, if they cant do a bank deposit then dont give them the item
besides who spends 10s of thousands of dollars on paypal anyway? theres no way id trust paypal with that kind of money if i didnt know the seller/used the seller previously even if id never been scammed before

Not so naive, if it is direct debit then there are AUSTRALIAN laws that come into play and no one can pull the money out without your authorisation or by legal means e.g. bank error, ATO etc.

I have a friend who deals in high power radio transmitter valves world wide with values of over $20k sometimes. He always uses paypal, has been scammed several times, each time the Australian banks used Australian law to recover the funds.
Once paypal puts the money in your bank the bad guy is stuffed.

On the other hand bank cheques have not be safe for years....

[VioletGT]

naive or not its fishy. Who would talk about buying a car before they even looked at it. If the person was legit he/she would inspect the car or at least come into contact with the seller by phone or stupid e-mail. This happened to a guy from work and in the e-mail they said they were willing to give 5 grand for a car advertised for 3 grand.... Who would pay almost double for a car? SCAM SCAM SCAM!!!!!!!!!! I found these e-mails usually come in at 12,1,2,3 in the morning.

[302 XC]

WALK AWAY !!!!!!!
to many scammers using paypal (paypal is on their side not yours)
listen to those that have been conned or nearly conned(myself nearly conned)
some times logic overrides temptation !!!!!
as mentioned before he could pay by bank cheque,funds transfer,cash,ect
as for paypal being direct deposit the buyer instructs paypal when to pay !!!
very hard to get your car back once youve handed it over,and the buyer instructs paypal to with draw funds !!!!

[302 XC]

FLAPPIST,
re your above comment,when i nearly got scammed (read in another thread),the buyer had put funds into my paypal account
but told paypal not to release into my bank account until i had paid ($700 odd)into an off seas bank account
when we refused and pulled the pin on the whole saga,paypal returned all monies from our paypal account back to the buyer

[flappist]

Originally Posted by nerida67

WALK AWAY !!!!!!!
to many scammers using paypal (paypal is on their side not yours)
listen to those that have been conned or nearly conned(myself nearly conned)
some times logic overrides temptation !!!!!
as mentioned before he could pay by bank cheque,funds transfer,cash,ect
as for paypal being direct deposit the buyer instructs paypal when to pay !!!
very hard to get your car back once youve handed it over,and the buyer instructs paypal to with draw funds !!!!

While this may or may not be a scam, you really don't get it.

You wait until the funds are in your BANK account not Paypal account. Once they are there Paypal cant draw them back without your authorisation.
This is AUSTRALIAN law and the money is in an AUSTRALIAN bank account.

Ok, we were typing at the same time. Yes until it is in your own BANK account you are at their mercy.

[Stattic]

Originally Posted by flappist

Not so naive, if it is direct debit then there are AUSTRALIAN laws that come into play and no one can pull the money out without your authorisation or by legal means e.g. bank error, ATO etc.

I have a friend who deals in high power radio transmitter valves world wide with values of over $20k sometimes. He always uses paypal, has been scammed several times, each time the Australian banks used Australian law to recover the funds.
Once paypal puts the money in your bank the bad guy is stuffed.

On the other hand bank cheques have not be safe for years....

yes, american banks can do that too, so when the buyer (me being the seller) decided he would like his $1500US back, the bank decided that the scammer was ME and they took the money off paypal who wouldnt do a thing about it... and then i owed paypal all that money =)
if that money hadve been transferred to my bank account i would still have it to this very day (actually id probably have new wheels) but it went to paypal first and altho they couldnt touch the money that i put into my bank account, they told me i owed them and when i said i wouldnt pay they threatened with debt collection
the bank cant use australian law to stop me owing paypal money unfortunately
and thats why i say what i say
sorry i just get over excited on this issue i guess, id hate for it to happen to someone else thats all

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Stattic

yes, american banks can do that too, so when the buyer (me being the seller) decided he would like his $1500US back, the bank decided that the scammer was ME and they took the money off paypal who wouldnt do a thing about it... and then i owed paypal all that money =)
if that money hadve been transferred to my bank account i would still have it to this very day (actually id probably have new wheels) but it went to paypal first and altho they couldnt touch the money that i put into my bank account, they told me i owed them and when i said i wouldnt pay they threatened with debt collection
the bank cant use australian law to stop me owing paypal money unfortunately
and thats why i say what i say
sorry i just get over excited on this issue i guess, id hate for it to happen to someone else thats all

Yeh paypal and ebay love to wave the big stick. The nearly always lose though. If they threaten you take it immediately to Fair Trading. It gets sorted very quickly, assuming you are not scamming of course
Remember when ebay tried to force everyone to use paypal? That little criminal act cost them heaps..

[xls3v]

nothing beats cod

[Stattic]

yeh i probably could have done more to get that money back but i was so stressed at the time because i had no job that i just borrowed money off a good mate to shut up paypal so i could forget the whole ordeal (aside from the fact i owed my mate $2000AU which made me feel terrible for about 8 weeks lol)

[Stattic]

Originally Posted by xls3v

nothing beats cod

you said it sister

[Dave R]

I've got a friend selling an AU right now and he had a similar encounter last week. The buyer was a "marine biologist on the ship right now" and was going to send an agent to pick the car up, using paypal to purchase it.

Complete scam, stay clear.

[Pistol]

Thanks guys he sent a email going on about agents I just replied Matt cash only or off dont waste my time keep your minds on the job these are out to rip people off thanks for the info from all of you guys take care have a merry xmas

[Geez Louise]

Originally Posted by xls3v

nothing beats cod

Nothing fishy there.

I agree. Pay cash upfront and everyone is happy.

I dont understand why Ebay cant crack down on this kind of thing. Western Union scams have been running for a long time too but they advertise using it. :

[Pistol]

Thanks for the mail..Due to the nature of my work,phone calls making and visiting of website are restricted but i squeezed out time to check this advert and send you an email regarding it.

Don't worry about the pick up,my shipping agent will be coming to pick it up.I'll like you to send me your address so that my shipping agent can figure it out and come for the pick up and other necessary things....more so,send me your PayPal details(PayPal email) so i can pay in.

Await your response.

Matt

On 12/11/09, Dom Quattrone <home@ddnpaving.com> wrote:
> Need more information from you send me a phone number if your
> interested
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> From: Matt Jean [mailto:mattjean31@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, 11 December 2009 10:01 AM
> To: home@ddnpaving.com
> Subject: 2006 FPV GT-P BF
>
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>
>
> --
> Good day,
>
> Pls, advice if this listing is still up for sale.... i will offer
> $62,000. i am also in the midst of negotiation with other two sellers
> but i just find ur listing more interesting than the other
>
> listing.
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> I will call no sooner as the negotiation felt through cos i will be
> paying through paypal..... get back to me if u are pleased with my
> terms.
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> Thanks and God bless u.
>
> Regards
> Matt
>
>

[Pistol]

Matt cash only or off don’t waste my time

[Pistol]

Jerk off I have notified the ford forums to watch out for dick heads like you

[peeds13]

I'm tryin 2 sell a bike at the moment and had the same , ****in on bout how hes a sailor and kept calling the bike "the item". They must send them 2 every ad on the net tryin to con sum1 out of sum coin.

[mustang70]

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

I've got a friend selling an AU right now and he had a similar encounter last week. The buyer was a "marine biologist on the ship right now" and was going to send an agent to pick the car up, using paypal to purchase it.

Complete scam, stay clear.

yeah obviously a scam, who searches online for an AU??
sorry coudn't help myself

[302 XC]

STAY AWAY from these tossers
another reason we pulled pin on our saga ,(the buyer was at sea also)
was he only knew DARWIN (couldnt remember any other states ),couldnt remember his dads address in DARWIN and the more questions we asked the more cagy he became
funnily enuf couldnt remember the freight company either(it was goin from brisbane to darwin)
honestly boys and girls if these scams,or any thing suss happens to u report them to paypal/evilbay or whoever straight away so we can try to weed these people out
if i had of been on ford forum earlier i would have read about these scams earlier

[S3SR]

it is a scam dont do it ...... been there recently to the point of my accounts being shut down ..... not cool

[BOSHOG]

i refuse to use paypal for anything, the fees are beyond a joke

[Scooter]

I think the part where he was willing to hand over 62k sight unseen would of been a dead giveaway? When ever I see a "scammer" buying or selling, I just bombard there e-mail with lots of stupid questions, And I get lots ofstupid answers! Keeps me amused!
Like everyone on here has said before, If it is too good to be true, then it probably is not true!
Paypal, rip off fees like BOSHOG said.

[SpoolMan]

Originally Posted by Pistol

$62,000.

Lol pay pal fees on that...

Originally Posted by BOSHOG

i refuse to use paypal for anything, the fees are beyond a joke

I do pay with pay pal when paying there are no fees, only when selling and receiving others money through pay pal you pay fees, thats why I only buy with pay pal I wont upgrade my account to except money.