Formula 1's to Calder Park after 2015??

[Bearman]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Agents will say anything to make a sale, they will tell you the sky is black if they had too. I cant see RA's having any authority on the subject at all other than false hope.

Sounds more like people buying land cheaper knowing full well there is noise and then having a sook to try and get the racing/planes removed. Talk about having your cake and eating it too.

Which is precisely why a residential exclusion zone is required for any new motorsport complex.

as a side note, I'm amazed Sandown is being redeveloped. I honestly thought it was going the way of the dodo because of this issue. To those who bought new units right next to the track.....

[FPV8U]

+1 Very Suprised Sandown has survived but very happy it has, love that place.

[Snake Bite]

Quote:
Originally Posted by GT450
.Bob Jane has ruined more motorsport complexes and events so for gods sake don't let him near this one.

Originally Posted by TZENU

That pretty much sums it up really!

My thoughts exactly, look at AIR in Adeleaide and how much motor sport we have, thanks to BOB

[BDA Escort]

F1 @ calder....... LOL x 1,000,000. will never happen.
calder has dead, for 2 main reasons:
1. bob jane. nuf said.
2. noise. same syndrome as essedon airport........ it's been there forever, then people move within a few k's of it, knowing full well it's there, then think they can complain about the noise

as for F1 @ P.I.......... i cant see that either.
the access is the main prob, and as the whole area has a clamp down on further development, (ie: green area), nothing will change in a significant way.
BTW....... it wasn't the residents that stopped the hotel/golf course project. it was council, for the green reasons.
i know this as i'm a P.I. resident.
and as for improving facilites for F1, V8, MotoGP........ i'll agree with u on F1 (that wont go there anyway) and MotoGP, but V8 shitboxes..... HA! they get 24 people there, so how would that warrant better facil's......? u only need to look at the lack of crowd's there for the 500 to see that. we won't mention the extra V8 round there last december either..... less than 5,000 people......

as a footnote......... in 2009, the biggest attended event @ P.I. was the MotoGP, with 80,000 odd there.
V8's 500 had 19,000........ and that number has fallen since,
but......... the P.I. Classic gets 45,000 there in march, making it the second biggest event @ P.I., and the biggest car-based event, each year. also, it's a proper international event, with real race cars, not a one-off thing for 2 different taxi's.
maybe people should look at what events are a success and use those as means for betterment, which i'm all for at all circuits (and yes, P.I. has seen some great improvments since Lindsay Fox bought it, but it still needs more), instead of something that runs on a name and actually costs more money to the track owners than what it brings back in, which is exactly why eastern creek didnt fight and told V8SC to go jump when the homebush proposal was tabled.

[Bud Bud]

Originally Posted by BDA Escort

also, it's a proper international event, with real race cars, not a one-off thing for 2 different taxi's.
maybe people should look at what events are a success and use those as means for betterment

Maybe so but that must also mean that the Clipsal 500 must also not be a proper racing event as well because it is also built around the same two different taxis but in the end it still is a huge success here in Adelaide though. The main reason is that the race its self in general is just purely academic but the party around town and accessibility to pubs, cafes and restaurants is what makes it what it is, the same as when the F1 was here.

If you think Melbourne loses money now, watch how much the Vic. Gov. will burn if it is moved out to the boon docks then.

Bud Bud.

[Elks]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

People need to accept there is as much if not more interest in the broader "social carnival" aspect of the race than the motorsport itself.
Look at the Melb Spring racing Carnival, how many people honestly go to oaks day or the Melb cup to watch horse racing.?
P.I would be the only alternative but the interest in the event just wouldn't be there without the significant entertainment and hospitality value generated by the close (walking distance) proximity of melb CBD...

Correctamundo big guy...

The Event is a lot bigger than the race itself. In fact as a loyal Melbournian I'd wouldn't object to it going back to Adelaide as the whole weekend party thing was massive. Phillip island would make a great race but the isolation of the place makes it too hard. Avalon could work, if they ran special trains or something, and built a circuit. But Calder is not of standard for off street drags, nor can it be relied upon to be open, other than at Bobs whim. It will NEVER happen.

A purpose built circuit like Bahrain or China would be great, but where would you put it that still has public transport access???

[gtnut]

I remember watching Alfie Constanso,Max Walker,John Goss in F5000, and Jimmy in the Big M falcon racing P Brock in the Bob Jane monza in the seventies and eighties at Calder
Its dissapointing to here its gone to rack and rewin,hell i even watched Ken Warby in the Ford drag truck take on the Kenworth drag truck and when they fired up the jet turbines it blew all the oil drums/rubbish bins up over the spectator hill behind them.

RIP CALDER PARK


Paul Callaghan
Hawkesbury
NSW

[Adamz Ghia]

Make the V8's a championship round... it isn't at the moment is it...?

Or what about moving it to one of the last rounds of the year, when people are gearing up for Summer, Christmas ect... warmer weather too...

[Piotr]

Only problem is that Calder Park is full of the same type of people you see doing Chap laps

[FPV GTHO]

Theres alot of projects that could work but they all require serious investment from several levels of government and probably also from the private sector. They may as well stay in Melbourne then. Financially its at a loss, but the event is hardly a "laughing stock" within F1. Most consider it one of the marquis flyaway events of the calender. If CVC werent operating their scheme of the highest bidder gets an F1 round, they could be running alot closer to break-even.

BTW, F1 doesn't have a plural.

[mik]

Originally Posted by gtnut

I remember watching Alfie Constanso,Max Walker,John Goss in F5000, and Jimmy in the Big M falcon racing P Brock in the Bob Jane monza in the seventies and eighties at Calder
Its dissapointing to here its gone to rack and rewin,hell i even watched Ken Warby in the Ford drag truck take on the Kenworth drag truck and when they fired up the jet turbines it blew all the oil drums/rubbish bins up over the spectator hill behind them.

RIP CALDER PARK


Paul Callaghan
Hawkesbury
NSW

ahh memories, was that the day the american drag truck was there (superboss)??

i would also love to see philip island get the gp, surely it would attract good crowds if it had excellent facilities, another calder article
http://brimbank-leader.whereilive.co...-park-raceway/ , the money they are talkin about does`nt seem like a whole lot, i mean my mates in the council he reckons it costs like $180000 to put a round about in, that can`t be the final figure?

[EDManual]

There has been lots of talk about a few organisations putting in quite a bit of money at avalon for a multipurpose track....
Hope it happens! Would be great to have track days, rallycross, autocross, motocross, gocart tracks all in the one spot!

[vztrt]

http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-n...923-15n7u.html

Brumby rules out moving grand prix September 23, 2010
.AAP

There is no chance the Australian Grand Prix will be moved from Albert Park, Victorian Premier John Brumby says.

The Herald Sun newspaper reported on Thursday the Formula One race, which posted its biggest loss in five years last financial year, could be moved from Melbourne's bayside to Calder Park north of the city or to Avalon near Geelong.

But Mr Brumby ruled out moving the race.

"I think it (the chance of moving the grand prix) is about as close to zero as you can get," he told reporters in Melbourne.

Mr Brumby said the government was in discussions with Calder Park owner Bob Jane about whether there was an opportunity to hold other motor racing events, particularly drag racing, at the venue.

"Drag racing was quite common there, particularly during the 1990s, so we are working with them in relation to that, but that work does not involve looking at a grand prix facility or a grand prix track," the premier said.

© 2010 AAP

[BA GT-HO]

Originally Posted by Bud Bud

Hey send it back to Adelaide if you don't want it in the middle of Melbourne now
Narrr just kidding, I don't think too many in S. A. would give up Clipsal if meant getting the F1 back here, I know I wouldn't.

Your effing kidding me right? You would rather have the drunken boganfest that is Clipsal rather than Formula One (Which also would have the Supertaxis running around anyway!) I would give Clipsal away in 2 seconds if it meant the return of F1.

Having been to Melbourne for the Grand Prix about 6 or 7 times I have seen it change from the early years where it was packed to what it is now, less grandstands and less people attending.

If they were to put it out to Calder they would really kill it. Where would you stay? In the city and bus out to Calder everyday? A lot of people still go to the GP because it is easy to get to in Melbourne. It is 10 minutes from the city.

Put it out at Calder and you will only get the true enthusiasts going. How many corporate fat cats wouldn't bother because it is all too hard and far away to get to. These are the people that make you the money. The cheapest corporate tickets are about $1000.

Leave it where it is. The reason it makes a loss is because of the money hungry Bernie, he charges a disgusting amount just to host the event. This sum was a lot smaller back in the day. Thats why it is so hard to make a money out of a race. Why do you think they go to Bahrain and Turkey and race in front of no one? Bernie gets a shedload of money out of it! That is why!

[Bud Bud]

Originally Posted by BA GT-HO

Your effing kidding me right? You would rather have the drunken boganfest that is Clipsal rather than Formula One (Which also would have the Supertaxis running around anyway!) I would give Clipsal away in 2 seconds if it meant the return of F1.

Having been to Melbourne for the Grand Prix about 6 or 7 times I have seen it change from the early years where it was packed to what it is now, less grandstands and less people attending.

If they were to put it out to Calder they would really kill it. Where would you stay? In the city and bus out to Calder everyday? A lot of people still go to the GP because it is easy to get to in Melbourne. It is 10 minutes from the city.

Put it out at Calder and you will only get the true enthusiasts going. How many corporate fat cats wouldn't bother because it is all too hard and far away to get to. These are the people that make you the money. The cheapest corporate tickets are about $1000.

Leave it where it is. The reason it makes a loss is because of the money hungry Bernie, he charges a disgusting amount just to host the event. This sum was a lot smaller back in the day. Thats why it is so hard to make a money out of a race. Why do you think they go to Bahrain and Turkey and race in front of no one? Bernie gets a shedload of money out of it! That is why!

Not at all. Nobody really cares too much about either race except for the hard core fans anyway. I know when F1 first came to Adelaide, most people needed to brush up on what was really happing in the F1 world to enjoy what we had and now those same people don't really care about F1 these days at all. Also a lot of the excitement around Adelaide's F1 involvement was due to the fact that being the last race on the calendar, several championships were actually decided here, but even that luxury in the Australian GP has gone.

Oh and I am with you, after growing up with motor sport 30 + years ago and especially during the 70's, I now can't stand the current formula either but at least most people can identify with and take something from the V8 super cars, bogan or not. Look at the commotion on this forum alone when 888 went to Holden. Anyway the race is not the problem because no matter whether its Adelaide or Melbourne, it is the location that is the issue. The Clipsal 500 would also die if it move to AIR (God forbid) or Mallala too. And for the decision makers to be, move it from Albert Park at your own peril.

Bud Bud

[GT450]

Well i have been to every clipsal and i wouldn't call it a drunken boganfest by any means. I went to many early grands prix in Adelaide too and the reason the Clipsal is so well attended is that it's organised so well and always has been Melbourne can't say that. I too had stopped for 7/8 years attending Melbourne , even though it's close , because it was boring especially the Schumacher - Ferrari years and the v8s well that's just a bloody display not a race.
Having said that i did return this year as a guest of a friend and enjoyed it, i will be back next year because the V8s will get 500kms of racing over 3 days and that appeals to me.I personally think that it's being done just in case the GP falls over in the future there will be an event that can take over. adelaide gives the fans what they want and now maybe Melbourne can too. So love them or hate them the V8 Supercars draw the crowds and the F1s depend on their followers to draw a decent crowd as their recent absence proved. But as a stand alone event Clipsal vs F1s Clipsal wins hands down in MY opinion.
Cheers
GT450

[Jason[98.EL]]

taken from http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/...3361_news.html

AVALON Airport might become Victoria's motor sport Mecca with national V8, drag and kart racing under plans being refined by the Confederation of Australian Motor Sport.

The national peak body has identified the airport as its prime development location in Victoria and hopes to have measured commercial viability of big-picture plans by the end of the year.

CAMS spokesman Michael Smith said any purpose-built venue would have capacity to host national championship events.

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The sport desperately needed a new hub in Victoria, particularly for drag racing. The senior manager of sport and club development stressed CAMS focus on developing Avalon was separate to any conjecture or negotiations on the future of the Australian Grand Prix.

Media reports yesterday linked the Linfox-owned airport alongside Calder Park as a potential home for the GP after State Government contract to run it at Albert Park expires in 2015.

Premier John Brumby later ruled out shifting the race.

Linfox airports chief David Fox said he had not been involved in any fresh talks with the state and previous negotiations had faltered.

"We've looked at it, we'd certainly look at it again, if the time was right who knows," Mr Fox said.

Mr Smith said CAMS started independent work on Avalon plans in March, drawn by the site's proximity to Victoria's two biggest cities, availability of land, terrain and transport access including air.

A potential race venue might cover 120ha.

"We're doing a master plan for the potential venue there and the first phase is completed, the concept of what it could be and what it would look like," Mr Smith said.

"The parcel of work we're now doing is commercial study. If it is commercially viable we would take it to a third stage and do more detailed work around planning issues and management of funding."

British-based Apex Circuit Design had overseen design work and KPMG was evaluating commercial feasibility.

Avalon Airport chief executive Justin Giddings said yesterday the airport was a prime greenfield location for motor racing and Linfox had an established relationship with the sport as owner of the Phillip Island race circuit.

"If we could grab a track at Avalon it would be perfect. It wouldn't disturb residents, people could stay in Geelong and travel out to the track, it would be tremendous," Mr Giddings said.

[Polyal]

Also the airshow could do with some better facilities aswell.

A complete motorsport COMPLEX would be awesome there, and would basically make Calder null and void and we wouldn't have to put up with Bobs rubbish (haha..pun) anymore.

[Jason[98.EL]]

yeh and only 10 mins u the road from here