The Little Green Boxes

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by russellw

For those wondering we have implemented a cap to the rep power for non admin users to 100 points which is the same level as that of the admins.

Cheers
Russ

Is there a particular reason? or should we read between the lines...

[russellw]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Is there a particular reason? or should we read between the lines...

Yes there is - we were in the situation where some individuals had rep power 2.5 times that of the cap applied to admins which was a somewhat ridiculous situation to be in.

Cheers
Russ

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by russellw

Yes there is - we were in the situation where some individuals had rep power 2.5 times that of the cap applied to admins which was a somewhat ridiculous situation to be in.

Cheers
Russ

Why not just apply the same rules to the admin then for rep power and smiles? instead of self appointed smiles and rep power just provide a level playing field and not cap it? If they exceed 100 on their merrits so be it, its recognition of efforts.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Why not just apply the same rules to the admin then for rep power and smiles? instead of self appointed smiles and rep power just provide a level playing field and not cap it? If they exceed 100 on their merrits so be it, its recognition of efforts.

Because my 'Rep Power' would wipe out 90% of your smiley's if (when) I give you NEG rep if it wasn't capped.

[russellw]

It has no impact on the displayed reputation and the simple reality is that with the current levels set where they are it is ridiculous for any user to be adding 250 points worth of rep - regardless of who they are.

If we applied the same rules to admins then I'd be adding about 450 points which would be enough to give someone 5 green boxes in a single hit - clearly untenable.\

It is easier (and more sensible) to cap at a reasonable level and 100 points seems to be that level.

Russ

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Because my 'Rep Power' would wipe out 90% of your smiley's if (when) I give you NEG rep if it wasn't capped.

Meh, so be it!! lol survival of the fittest!!

[flappist]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Meh, so be it!! lol survival of the fittest!!

Not fair.....you go to the gym all the time.

It should be survival of the fattest so I have a chance........

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by flappist

Not fair.....you go to the gym all the time.

It should be survival of the fattest so I have a chance........

LOL, maybe we should have the Ford Forums 400m foot race.. i know a few who wouldnt get past the 60 foot mark.. LOL

[GT]

Thread seems to have drifted a bit now.

I have never liked the system as it appears to reward serial posters rather than acknowledging the 'generous' who contribute to making the AFF such a great place that many can't be without.

If the quiet achievers were recognised for the huge amounts of work they do, our most 'awarded smilies' would sit with:

Spoolman - who spends hours/days organising our events (they don't happen by themselves). I attended a Birthday Party recently and he was there. He said he wouldn't have missed it as this member always attends every AFF event and he would honour this person with the same recognition. What a lovely guy!

Auslandau & Falcon Coupe - on here most of the time (must have very understanding wives!) moderating and sorting. A thankless task and I am sure they are sometimes missed for Rep because they are seen as Policemen. The AFF wouldn't run as well without these 2. Thanks guys - without you 2 Russell and I wouldn't have much of a life.

Russellw - spends nearly every waking moment on here (other than when he is earning a living) and all the stuff you enjoy is from hard work. It is a huge job and the end product you see is not a 5 min task.

The AFF is more than Threads and Posts.

Gaela

[Professor Farnsworth]

There are many of us who sit on here for a good portion of the day, responding to user requests, reported posts, interjecting when the idiocy rises. Many of us do go un-noticed. But that for the most part is the point of moderation.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by GT

Thread seems to have drifted a bit now.

I have never liked the system as it appears to reward serial posters rather than acknowledging the 'generous' who contribute to making the AFF such a great place that many can't be without.

If the quiet achievers were recognised for the huge amounts of work they do, our most 'awarded smilies' would sit with:

Spoolman - who spends hours/days organising our events (they don't happen by themselves). I attended a Birthday Party recently and he was there. He said he wouldn't have missed it as this member always attends every AFF event and he would honour this person with the same recognition. What a lovely guy!

Auslandau & Falcon Coupe - on here most of the time (must have very understanding wives!) moderating and sorting. A thankless task and I am sure they are sometimes missed for Rep because they are seen as Policemen. The AFF wouldn't run as well without these 2. Thanks guys - without you 2 Russell and I wouldn't have much of a life.

Russellw - spends nearly every waking moment on here (other than when he is earning a living) and all the stuff you enjoy is from hard work. It is a huge job and the end product you see is not a 5 min task.

The AFF is more than Threads and Posts.

Gaela

Agree with most of that, howver ill pick you up on one thing, without the significant contribution from long standing non admin members here you wouldn't have anywhere near the diverse, rich mix of opinions and contribution in the way of help, advice and debate.
Some may not like the stronger personalities here however if you're going to condem or single out members based on having a high post count then you'll loose the vast majority of the very forum fabric...

Post count is totally irrelevant IMO, id be happy to see post count undisplayed.
Rep and smiles have certainly allowed people to express their opinions, weather some like it or not.

[GT]

Norm - you completely missed the point.

Originally Posted by 4Vman

..without the significant contribution from long standing non admin members here you wouldn't have anywhere near the diverse, rich mix of opinions and contribution in the way of help, advice and debate.

The reputation system as it currently works, allows members to acknowledge the posted contribution of others - it would be fairly pointless otherwise and thus I fail to see how providing greater than admin level rep power has any actual relevance(??).

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Post count is totally irrelevant IMO, id be happy to see post count undisplayed.or not.

I don't know where you get the idea that post count is relevant - it is one small factor in the overall rep power score and not that large a part either.

My point was that there are already mechanisms for recognising normal contributions but the more hidden contributions go unrecognised by the reputation system.

Likewise, there are those who contribute by their actual physical attendance and support of forum events and that contribution is not recognised under the current system either.

You've managed to divert the issue away from the original one so let me remind you that the change that has been made has simply reduced your ability to give someone rep power above that of an Admin. If you believe that your contribution merits more weight than one of them then I suggest that you take it up with them. I'm sure Spoolman, wulos or russellw would be happy to engage in debate with you.

Look forward to seeing you at the next AFF activity - the Drags are coming up in June and we also have the Christmas Cruise. I don't recall ever having met you.

GT

[Road Games]

I certainly understand it , especially being one of if not THE most banned member on here

Those rep points have made me sit back and offer sound advice instead of jumping in with an opinion everytime i didnt agree with something .. If i couldn't answer directly i found the answer via the search function and usually a PM is sent as well, if people disagreed with my advice oh well at least i've done my part.

I used to post maybe 40 times a day now its 10 at best ... many hours a night reading up on past posts to share with new members helps pass the time..

The mods and i disagree from time to time sure...

BUT i still respect them for the tireless work they do for free behind the scenes, and it sure doesn't seem right that a normal member has more rep than one of these guys does it ??

The Policeman is never gonna be favourite is he ?

I'm not saying i deserve the rep status i have but i'm certain i have earned it given the hours i spend via PM to avoid conflict with alter ego's like in the past...

Have a great afternoon and be good to each other...

[Full Noise]

Like many here, I don’t mind the rep system but it’s not the be all and end all.
I also prefer to assist people via Private messages simply because you can go into a lot more detail than in a normal thread.

I’ve had many people send me messages thanking me for helping them and I really appreciate these, likewise with comments placed in the rep box.

Originally Posted by DAZZLER351

Those rep points have made me sit back and offer sound advice instead of jumping in with an opinion everytime i didnt agree with something.

I agree and there’s also many times when I’ve kept my opinion to myself simply because I don’t want to start a blue and get a thread closed or end up banned. One of the things that I’m more pleased about is exchanging PMs with people who I don’t get along with, explaining points of view and avoiding any hostility in threads.

Originally Posted by DAZZLER351

The mods and disagree from time to time sure...

BUT I still respect them for the tireless work they do for free behind the scenes, and it sure doesn't seem right that a normal member has more rep than one of these guys does it ??

That’s a good point. The mods here do a fantastic job including one who I don’t particularly like, however, his contribution to the forum is far greater than anything that I could offer, so for that I take my hat off to him and also pull my head in when required.

When I saw that my rep count had dropped, the first thing that I thought was that I’d upset someone but it didn’t take long to figure out the reasons for this. I think that there should be a limit to the smiles, say three lines max because after that it looks more like a popularity contest.

I also acknowledge the work of Auslandau, Falcon Coupe, Wulos, Russ and Spoolman because they put in a Hell of a lot of time keeping this place running smoothly, even if it means that sometimes they can’t put a point of view in a thread because of their moderator status.

This is a great forum, it’s just a shame that we can’t have any political discussion because there’s quite a few very knowledgeable people here with interesting points of view. Oh well, that’s life.

Cheers

[HSE2]

Is there another colour option that can be used once the max is achieved thus resetting?

Take Russell for example. Max rep value and i assume Max status symbol.
There hasn't been for sometime time any enforcement that rep given is actually received.

To me the highest value of this system is seeing and reading the comments awarded to contribution but next to that was seeing others recognised, one way or the other, for efforts i valued.

Agree with the change but a cap on both displays creates some deadNess in a system that is somewhat based in visual appreciation.

Admin rep seen to be lower than other members sent the wrong message especially as it was artificial.

Capping rep points to be handed out also adds longevity to the system but the other indicator has also reached its ceiling.

Is a restructure of the green system possible?

[chrisfpv]

Originally Posted by russellw

It has no impact on the displayed reputation and the simple reality is that with the current levels set where they are it is ridiculous for any user to be adding 250 points worth of rep - regardless of who they are.

If we applied the same rules to admins then I'd be adding about 450 points which would be enough to give someone 5 green boxes in a single hit - clearly untenable.\

It is easier (and more sensible) to cap at a reasonable level and 100 points seems to be that level.

Russ

Makes perfect sense to me, as it should everyone.
The only people who will have something negative to say about this new system will be the ones who think they're above admins and should be treated differently.

Those people need to get off the computer and check there ego.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by GT

Look forward to seeing you at the next AFF activity - the Drags are coming up in June

If Whoosha wears his Mums frock I'll be there

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by GT

Norm - you completely missed the point.




The reputation system as it currently works, allows members to acknowledge the posted contribution of others - it would be fairly pointless otherwise and thus I fail to see how providing greater than admin level rep power has any actual relevance(??).




I don't know where you get the idea that post count is relevant - it is one small factor in the overall rep power score and not that large a part either.

My point was that there are already mechanisms for recognising normal contributions but the more hidden contributions go unrecognised by the reputation system.

Likewise, there are those who contribute by their actual physical attendance and support of forum events and that contribution is not recognised under the current system either.

You've managed to divert the issue away from the original one so let me remind you that the change that has been made has simply reduced your ability to give someone rep power above that of an Admin. If you believe that your contribution merits more weight than one of them then I suggest that you take it up with them. I'm sure Spoolman, wulos or russellw would be happy to engage in debate with you.

Look forward to seeing you at the next AFF activity - the Drags are coming up in June and we also have the Christmas Cruise. I don't recall ever having met you.

GT

Gaela, I don't see that Norm missed the point at all, in many aspects he agreed with you but I can see what he is saying.

One thing that needs to be remembered is that there is a big difference between rep power and rep points. Rep power is a combination of time on forums, post count and reputation points received. Hence the longer you have been here, the more you contribute and the more respected you are, the more your rep means when you dish it out. This is not a bad situation as it is possible with someone with a comparatively low post count to have a high rep power if the majority here have seen them as a valued contributor and given them rep points. I do agree that those that have received a lot of rep should give out higher value rep when they do. Having said that, I agree with the rep power limit as it concerned me that if I gave out rep to someone with a good post I did on occasion give them 2 smiley faces, I thought that was too much.

I disagree with the notion that a high post count without a lot of value equals a high rep. As an example I will use myself. I was approximately the 2250th person to join back in 2/5/05, so although I have been around a while, there are many that have been around a lot longer and received a larger start point on rep power. In post count I am currently in about 50th which seems high but when you put that against other members that have been here a lot less time, not really that high and my average posts of 2.69 per day seems to confirm that. Now when you look at reputation I am currently in 3rd with Flappist and RusselW ahead of me (quite deservedly so). So when I break it down, that seems to tell me that although I don't post a large volume each day, the work I put into those posts is appreciated by people here and my rep reflects that. I am quite happy with that situation as I put a lot of work in my posts and although I often do not have the popular view point, sometimes my posts take hours of research so that what I post is fact and not just opinion. I know for a fact there are other members here that have had a considerable rise in rep without a high daily average in post count such as I have, so I would say post count has little if anything to do with rep points (rep power yes, but rep points no).

Now my point with all that is that I see that as a good system for a public forum in recognising those that contribute value to a forum. I disagree completely that there should be any recognition given to those that attend events. Yes they can and should gain rep if they give good posts regarding that event but to just attend should not be awarded rep points, they are not attendance points. To award rep for attendance would lead to a number of issues, namely.

1) A person may attend many events but contribute little value to the forum and still build considerable rep.
2) Some here work shift work and do not get many week ends off (I get 2.5 weekends off out of 6) so will find it difficult to attend events, therefore disadvantaged. In the current system we can contribute 24 hrs a day and receive recognition for it.
3) Some states have a higher number of organised events than others, leading to inequality in possible rep gained due to geographic location. Should someone that jumps on here and contributes well from their computer in outback australia receive less rep than the guy who lives in central melbourne, attends all the events but contributes less to the forum?
4) At the end of the day, as much as I appreciate the events organised, this is a forum, not a club. Although we have a great community feel, many friends and good events to promote that, it is not a car club. To be a club all management positions would have to be opened to election which they are not.

In terms of the rep for mods, admin and event organisers and therefore their public recognition, the present system is not flawed in my opinion. All members including the both of us, have the ability to award rep if someone has organised a good event or have contributed well with effective post moderation. I know I have awarded rep for those before, have you (I suspect you have)? Perhaps your point has highlighted a flaw in the membership, in that we do not award enough rep to the hard workers here, rather than a flaw in the system as it stands currently.Iif that is the case, I agree and admit guilt, perhaps I personally should dish out more rep for the hard workers here and I will in the future.

Lastly, I will say this. I completely understand the hard work that moderation/admin entails and appreciate them for their efforts, they do make this forum a great place. Having said that, perhaps the volume of work they have and the amount of their time it takes really indicates one thing, there should be more mods. Perhaps if there were more mods, that workload would be reduced as many hands make light work. Perhaps the fact that the admin here are having to spend so much time moderating threads means they do not have enough mods working for them. I am not sure of the actual mechanics of this forum but I think it would be simpler to maintain if the mods did the majority of the the actual moderation and the admin support/guide the mods as well as the actual administration of the site. A bit more of a hierarchy if you wish, just a thought.

[4Vman]

Lynton you are right and make allot of sense.

Im starting to think FF is becoming more of a club and less of a forum judging by some comments.
The notion that participation in events is somehow more important or necessary to gain "credibility" is frightening... i have little to no interest in drag racing, its boring and does nothing for me so what do i do? turn up for the sake of it???
I have no spare time for this kind of thing, the enjoyment i get from cars occurs while im travelling from 1 commitment to the next.
It has also been inferred in the past that some people post too much? how is participation on the forums a bad thing? are we trying to encourage or discourage forum participation?

Capping the rep/smile system makes it pointless, change the algorithm to reduce the impact or remove it because its pointless if half the forum are all on the same level..

Im scratching my head at the moment.... if i need to turn up at cruises or drag days to avoid being on the "outer" maybe this forum is not for me.....

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Like many here, I don’t mind the rep system but it’s not the be all and end all.
I also prefer to assist people via Private messages simply because you can go into a lot more detail than in a normal thread.

I’ve had many people send me messages thanking me for helping them and I really appreciate these, likewise with comments placed in the rep box.
I agree and there’s also many times when I’ve kept my opinion to myself simply because I don’t want to start a blue and get a thread closed or end up banned. One of the things that I’m more pleased about is exchanging PMs with people who I don’t get along with, explaining points of view and avoiding any hostility in threads.
That’s a good point. The mods here do a fantastic job including one who I don’t particularly like, however, his contribution to the forum is far greater than anything that I could offer, so for that I take my hat off to him and also pull my head in when required.

When I saw that my rep count had dropped, the first thing that I thought was that I’d upset someone but it didn’t take long to figure out the reasons for this. I think that there should be a limit to the smiles, say three lines max because after that it looks more like a popularity contest.

I also acknowledge the work of Auslandau, Falcon Coupe, Wulos, Russ and Spoolman because they put in a Hell of a lot of time keeping this place running smoothly, even if it means that sometimes they can’t put a point of view in a thread because of their moderator status.

This is a great forum, it’s just a shame that we can’t have any political discussion because there’s quite a few very knowledgeable people here with interesting points of view. Oh well, that’s life.

Cheers

An outstanding post and rep given accordingly.

I agree with your points completely.

Interestingly if I remember correctly you and I have disagreed before and have discussed this in pm, therefore reaching a level of understanding. I know I give rep not only to post I agree with, but posts where I appreciate the work of the author despite my opinion on the topic and from your conduct I have seen here, I assume you have done the same.

Like you, I often hold my tongue as I know I do not hold the popular opinion and therefore my contribution would result in conflict and no value added, best to just keep quiet occasionally. The times I post with the unpopular view are those times that I see a value to the forum to do so, I just try to be careful with the post in those occasions (such as re read and edit about 16 times before posting).

[Road Games]

Wow ... so in closing it really is JUST about rep count to some then ?

Great post Lynton by the way ...

[Geez Louise]

You guys have gone way off track!

I understand what Gaela was saying. What she is saying is...Look at for instance, Spooly who organises events etc and looks at his smilie count. I think it should be more because of the effort he puts in!! His post count doesn't reflect the work he puts in.

NO! You dont get rep points awarded for just going to events. IF that was the case, I would have smilies that equal 4vman and Flappist combined with a few of geckoGT's thrown in!

Who really cares about rep points? Does it really reflect who on here has more merit?

It was originally introduced so that new members would know who has given valuable advise on here to other members.

I personally look at peoples past posts. Rep points dont really bear much weight as far as I am concerned because a new member could join up and offer fantastic advise but he will have a low rep count and low smilies.

At the end of the day, I take each post on it's own merit. Not on smilies count.

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by Geez Louise

You guys have gone way off track!

I understand what Gaela was saying. What she is saying is...Look at for instance, Spooly who organises events etc and looks at his smilie count. I think it should be more because of the effort he puts in!! His post count doesn't reflect the work he puts in.

NO! You dont get rep points awarded for just going to events. IF that was the case, I would have smilies that equal 4vman and Flappist combined with a few of geckoGT's thrown in!

Who really cares about rep points? Does it really reflect who on here has more merit?

It was originally introduced so that new members would know who has given valuable advise on here to other members.

I personally look at peoples past posts. Rep points dont really bear much weight as far as I am concerned because a new member could join up and offer fantastic advise but he will have a low rep count and low smilies.

At the end of the day, I take each post on it's own merit. Not on smilies count.

Great points, I do agree in many of them.

On the event organisation, I see the rep for this as the responsibility of those that attended, not an automatic thing. Therefore not a system fault but a membership fault, we should give them more rep as thanks rather than change the system.

As for the attendance points, no that is not the system as it stands now but it seemed Gaela was saying it should, which is something I disagree with and that is why I discussed it.

I am with you on the value of rep points, yes it is a factor but it is not the definitive answer to a persons value on this forum. I, like you, factor in many other elements to my opinion of them, rep points counts for very little. In fact there are some members with reasonably high rep here that I personally consider of little value and would not mind if they disappeared, but that is life and everyone has an opinion.

[Whoosha]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

If Whoosha wears his Mums frock I'll be there

That will cost a min. of 100 rep points to start with Not that is what I am after anyway. Whilst I have opinions I prefer to keep them to myself unless I get really annoyed, and use the forums as a blend of Social activities and informative network of input and output, based around my predominately Ford automotive likes and dislikes, whilst a few non automotive things help to keep it interesting, I fail to see why some need to post about every thing under the sun, on what is a CAR forum. Personally I check the user join date first then the post count ,and maybe a quick Thread starter check, to form an opinion on weather to reply, post,or help,

Gee look my first post in anon Automotive area, If its not fun why bother..

[flappist]

The one thing about the whole rep system is that apart from the admins NO ONE can give themselves rep or adjust any of the rep parameters.

All rep must be given by someone else and there is a very good system to stop any covert manipulation by a group to enhance their perceived "status".

Yes mine is the highest but I did not make it that way and there are a significant number of the admin/moderation team who have contributed to it.

The original rep power parameters while probably one of the better configurations does have a few glitches.

rep = months on + posts (except bar) / 500 + rep points / 100

Therefore (and I have seen this in action) a troll who joined in 2004/5 and has posted 1001 brain farts and went away for 5 years has a rep power of 60-70 when they decide to reappear.

10,000 posts of rubbish = 20 rep power which is the same as being given 2000 ACTUAL reps points.

The smilies were locked a while ago. I can understand why as it can take up a LOT of screen real estate and slow down the system.

The smilie system has also been a bit divisive as while there are some who have chased rep there are also quite a number who are quite bitter about people who they don't like or disagree with being given more rep than they have.
Unfortunately there are still a lot of people who believe that anything with which they do not agree is automatically COMPLETELY WRONG.

Another thing I have noticed is that there have been a number of members who have "got their act together" since the system has been implemented and how can that not be a good thing.

I am an admin on other forums that use VB and actually do not have rep enabled on any of them as it seemed to start fights which I was not interested in solving. This is also why I know exactly how it all works.

In saying all of this, it is Russell's board and it runs by his rules so I recommend that you just go with the flow and remember in the big picture IT IS JUST THE INTERNET.......

[Road Games]

I have a feeling, what has just taken place has been coming for a while...
An underlying rift that has finally surfaced to differentiate helpful posts and posts for the sake of it in the non automotive parts of this awesome place..

Woosha dukes it out with Flap for PM i reckon ...

[Geez Louise]

Very good post Flappist. Well said

[Riksta]

Interesting to note that the people commenting on the change to the rep system all seem to be either donating members, or moderators.

I don't know if it means anything (maybe rep means a little bit more to us than Joe Bloggs who just wants to know how to get the door trim off his Laser) or not, just an interesting observation.

I would like to say though that I'm with Gecko and disagree with points of any kind being issued for any attendance.

[SpoolMan]

Originally Posted by Riksta

I would like to say though that I'm with Gecko and disagree with points of any kind being issued for any attendance.

Sorry, I find the contribution to our Charity Events more important than reading half the threads.
This is a very important thing we do as a community as poeple and humanity.

I give more points for this than anything else, I also give points for those that put there time in and help with our events without these poeple you guys wouldn't have an event to go to and the Salvation Army wouldn't have got over $5000 worth of toys for disadvantaged kids in 2010.

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Lynton you are right and make allot of sense.

Im starting to think FF is becoming more of a club and less of a forum judging by some comments.
The notion that participation in events is somehow more important or necessary to gain "credibility" is frightening... i have little to no interest in drag racing, its boring and does nothing for me so what do i do? turn up for the sake of it???
I have no spare time for this kind of thing, the enjoyment i get from cars occurs while im travelling from 1 commitment to the next.
It has also been inferred in the past that some people post too much? how is participation on the forums a bad thing? are we trying to encourage or discourage forum participation?

Capping the rep/smile system makes it pointless, change the algorithm to reduce the impact or remove it because its pointless if half the forum are all on the same level..

Im scratching my head at the moment.... if i need to turn up at cruises or drag days to avoid being on the "outer" maybe this forum is not for me.....

The Forum has more events than just drag racing, have a look around there groups of poeple organising things to all the time meet and greets, cruises, raising money, club track days, skid pan days, we have displays at FPV and the all ford day every year and finish every year off with a Salvation Army Toy Cruise.
Getting involved in some of these things are every bit as important as posting in 500 threads a week, its like putting something into practice instead of just talking about it.
We can all talk talk talk on here all day, for me those that go the extra bit to help those in our community and we get to have fun with our vehicles at the same time, having an organised event with people you chat with only enhances the experience at AFF, at these events we are like minded (Fords) all we do is talk cars, its more rewarding doing this and not having use a keyboard..
The Friday night camp fire at our Nats has become one of our biggest social gatherings and half the poeple don't race.

We are more than just a Forum we community of Ford/Car enthusiasts.

I honestly couldn't give a hoot about rep points, if each rep point was worth $10 then I could understand why they might be important and I don't think the changes will change anything as far as posting goes, same deal if they disappeared all together, I doubt it would change anything.



I say to everyone and just enjoy the Forum and the poeple who share your joy and love of cars..

Closing my 1st post in this thread, I would rather read threads about our Fords than points.

[DoreSlamR]

Originally Posted by flappist

Therefore (and I have seen this in action) a troll who joined in 2004/5 and has posted 1001 brain farts and went away for 5 years has a rep power of 60-70 when they decide to reappear.

I joined in 04-05 and have 60-70 rep points....

Don't think I have 1001 brain farts though....more like 2001!