Manual T5 Gearbox Go On A V6 Capri 3000

WOGBOY69 · 10-07-2011, 04:26 PM

Hi All

just like to know . and there properly already a thread on this .
i have just had it up to here with this shifter of the capri..i have ran new kits and made up new plates .even taken the bends out of the bottom plate so the pin can travel strait and all . taken the slop out of it so there is less slop from before ..
and it still jams in gear ..its just a bucket of bolts the whole set up i think ..
unless people can prove me wroung....
or my other option is a t5 box from a au or el falcon or xr6 or xr8 and i like to see if i can get a bellhousing from somewere that adapet to both v6 and t5 box.. is there people here that do that kid of conversion kits ....
love driving the car but man thoses linkages and shifter ....makes you want to

i hope there3 are some good ford lovers out there can can fell my pain and help me out...

cheers

wogboy

V8GT · 11-07-2011, 02:40 PM

celica 5 speed conversion is very common for v6 capri's
would be they way to go instead of a t5

allanv6gt · 11-07-2011, 05:44 PM

If jamming in gear...do you still have the interlock pin down the middle of the shifter detent spring (between the shifter cam balls) just inside the linkage plate on the box? They tend to fly out when you remove the gearbox side plate and shifter bits move around. This fits down the spring between the cam selector balls and physically prevents double selection of gears as the selector cam balls simply do not have clearance to move (@ part 204E-7234-A if you already have a parts manual)). I can forward a diagram if need be. My box had lost this somewhere along the way - a cut-down 4" nail solved the problem.
- - - 0554297 - - SLEEVE - GEAR CHANGE INTERLOCK
70/GT .......qty 1 .... 0554297

And mine jammed...when the missus borrowed the car for a night. The need for rescue went down really well (not), and that was the last time she drove it...... 18yrs ago.

Remember , a-n-y box that has remote linkages will have some slack. It is a fundamental design problem with that arrangement. Many connection/pivot points = more chance for wear/slack (that's why top-loader style boxes are so great !!)
Another common conversion is a Supra box. I've heard that first gear is a bit low on Celica boxes (myth or fact?).
Who? Dellow and others....but start saving your pennies.
Many conv. options, the real issue is getting a bell housing that fits the Essex block.

cosworthfreak · 11-07-2011, 07:43 PM

www.dellowconversions.com.au

The Supra box 1st gear can be about the same (or worse) than the original Capri V6 1st gear ratio (3.54:1), but there are some with slightly better 1st gears. If you replace the standard 3.89 rear axle with a 3.09 it will be better. I've been meaning to call Dellow to see what conversion options they can do, as it seems that it may be possible to buy a Supra box with the right shifter position to fit through the standard hole in the floor. I'm not sure if the same could be done for the T5.

Burtons sell a couple of bellhousings for the Essex V6, but they are pricey by the time you get them here.
http://www.burtonpower.com/parts-by-...appl_engine=12

allanv6gt · 11-07-2011, 08:31 PM

Cosworthfreak....Diff ratio 3.89 is a 4cyl. V6 came with 3.22 and later ('72on?) 3.09.
Dellow in the past had listed Supra + custom bellhousing 5spd conversion for a Essex V6 in a Capri . But I suspect you would need a new gearbox cross-member which IIRC means an engineers report in the A.C.T (don't know about other states) i.e. more $$$$$.
Anyone who has driven a worn Beetle can tell you all about vague gear changes !!!

cosworthfreak · 11-07-2011, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanv6gt

Cosworthfreak....Diff ratio 3.89 is a 4cyl. V6 came with 3.22 and later ('72on?) 3.09.

Yep, my mistake. I've been thinking about my 4cyl rebuild too much (originally deluxe 1600) as I'm wondering if it's worth swapping the 3.89 for a 1600XL/GT 3.77 ratio.

Engineers certification is something I'm yet to fully grapple with, although just making time to see one is enough trouble. I'm too used to how it was in the 80's and 90's when things were easier (and cheaper).

WOGBOY69 · 11-07-2011, 11:50 PM

so i get the drift that t5 boxs seam the way not tho go..but celica boxs are ..any sytle of celica boxs there seams to be alot ..
more info be great....

mac1capri · 12-07-2011, 12:48 PM

Your best option is a type 5 from the later facelift V6 Capri - good luck finding one of those. I once read in a magazine that the V6 Capri was light years ahead of the old 1600GT - what a load of cr@p (in my opinion) there is definitely more power and torque but thats about it, my old 1600 with its great close ratio gear box was a much nicer drive. Changing gears in a V6 is like stirring porridge at the best of times. You're on the right track Wogboy, ditch that old external linkage and get a sierra 5 spd or a type 5. To give you an idea of cost Capri clinic do a conversion for about $2000.

read this link http://www.classic-ford.org/forum/to...94&whichpage=1

BTW - i'd be interested to hear anyone elses opinion on the comparison between the V6 and 1600GT Capri

regards Paul

wombat2509 · 12-07-2011, 04:29 PM

I have just replaced my 1600 4 speed with a 2l with a T9 5 speed behind it in my Capri unbelivable, it will be interesting to know how fast it goes as I have know idea what diff ratio I have & the tacho does not work. The motor & box came out of a mk3 Capri but the box has "88 Sierria" writen on it in blue texta. I had the motor freshened up new rings bearings & cam, the mechanic said to vary between 100 & 110 can't keep it below 120 (on the speedo but it could be way off) but it is a lot more fun to drive

WOGBOY69 · 12-07-2011, 06:36 PM

hi all

well i just spoke to kevin from the capri clinic ...he told me to karm down . and wait till he finished his school hoildays ..lol
he has a soloution with my shifter.. they are making moulds right as i type ..

just cause i have fully rebuilt my gearbox and he said its a shame to toss that box of mine for something minnor ..
he said please wait and try this new idea he has .. so i would have to wait anther week on this befor i say anything

cheers

allanv6gt · 12-07-2011, 08:02 PM

Wogboy69....pm sent

foxtrot3 · 12-07-2011, 08:55 PM

Hi. If you still want to try a different box have a look at this http://www.galeforcezephyrs.com/link...o%20zephyr.htm from the galeforce website as from memory the Mk3 gearbox is a mirror of the capri box. The two blokes who supplied the info can be contacted through the ZZOCM web site http://www.freewebs.com/zzocm/index.htm . Cheers MD

cosworthfreak · 12-07-2011, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mac1capri

Your best option is a type 5 from the later facelift V6 Capri - good luck finding one of those. I once read in a magazine that the V6 Capri was light years ahead of the old 1600GT - what a load of cr@p (in my opinion) there is definitely more power and torque but thats about it, my old 1600 with its great close ratio gear box was a much nicer drive. Changing gears in a V6 is like stirring porridge at the best of times. You're on the right track Wogboy, ditch that old external linkage and get a sierra 5 spd or a type 5. To give you an idea of cost Capri clinic do a conversion for about $2000.

read this link http://www.classic-ford.org/forum/to...94&whichpage=1

BTW - i'd be interested to hear anyone elses opinion on the comparison between the V6 and 1600GT Capri

regards Paul

Thinking of selling the Teal Glow Paul?

mac1capri · 12-07-2011, 11:04 PM

Wogboy, are you in Perth ? Even if you get your shifter fixed by Kevin (and i'm sure he will as he's very good) the problem is the ratio's in your box are still going to be rubbish - even a polished **** stinks :-)

Cosworthfreak - everything is for sale !! if the right offer came along I would consider selling, not that I would openly advertise it. Its a Great Capri - taking into account its unrestored interior in mint condition and the unusual colour combination you would be hard pushed to find a more unique one I think.

regards Paul

perthcapri@bigpond.com

WOGBOY69 · 13-07-2011, 06:17 PM

well i must say .. i will wait and see.. what the mans got it mite do wounders ...

allanv6gt · 13-07-2011, 08:17 PM

wogboy69 - pm sent

WOGBOY69 · 25-07-2011, 08:24 PM

hi all

well i just got the shifter today from the capri clinic , but no time today . or till the weekend to install it ,
but it fells way tighter then mine already. i have a good felling on this. so fingers crossed and i hope it works like a treat..
ill keep you all posted

cheers

mac1capri · 25-07-2011, 09:49 PM

Wogboy - i'm very keen to know the outcome of this, if its good i'm off to get one. Do you mind telling how much it was ?

Paul

WOGBOY69 · 26-07-2011, 06:49 PM

HI MAC1CAPRI

mate i dont know yet on the price . but iam sure he will tell me how its goes first .
i think he needs to know as well before he pumps them out by the hundreds..lol
but ill keep all my ford capri loves out wide open on this..

cheers all

WOGBOY69 · 30-07-2011, 03:44 PM

HI ALL

WELL THE JOB IS DONE AND INSTALLED . GIVE YOU HONEST ON THIS SHIFTER , YES IT HAS IMPROVED IT BY 100% CHANGES GOOD GOES INTO REVERSE WELL CAMES OUT GOES INTO 1ST 2ND 3TH 4TH SWEET . FOR WHAT THAT SYSTEM IS SO FAR IAM HAPPY ..

BUT I HAVE ONLY DONE ABOUT 5KS WITH IT ILL SEE HOW IT GOES TOMAROW IF ITS FINE GO FOR A SWEET DRIVE ....
CHEERS ALL

WOGBOY69 · 30-07-2011, 03:46 PM

OOO FORGOT TO TELL YOU ALL ITS,,,,,, TIGHT ,,,,,